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Empress Theonora
Feb 19, 2001

She was a sword glinting in the depths of night, a lance of light piercing the darkness. There would be no mistakes this time.

StrifeHira posted:



This... is the first I've seen this in Vicky2. Rince, did you make this story? Be honest. I still laughed. That and Spooky Rhodes were nice little distractions to the update filled with death and impending death.

Also the mention of "cowboy diplomacy" makes me recall that this timeline's "cowboys" are probably Haida frontiersmen. Which is... both an awesome and terrifying mental image.

There's all sorts of weird little easter egg newspaper articles like that.

I found this one after I wrote update, and wished I'd found some way to fit it in:

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StrifeHira
Nov 7, 2012

I'll remind you that I have a very large stick.

Rincewind posted:

There's all sorts of weird little easter egg newspaper articles like that.

I found this one after I wrote update, and wished I'd found some way to fit it in:


What a world this Byzantium exists in. :allears:

Funky Valentine
Feb 26, 2014

Dojyaa~an

Rincewind posted:

There's all sorts of weird little easter egg newspaper articles like that.

I found this one after I wrote update, and wished I'd found some way to fit it in:


I'm surprised most of these ethnic groups still exist in Byz world.

You would think they all sank with our navies.

megane
Jun 20, 2008



Obviously the True Emperor of Rome has spent the past couple of centuries building a huge and terrifying engine of world domination in a secret base hidden deep beneath the island of Rhodes. At the current rate of construction Rome will be reborn sometime in the 1980s.

Empress Theonora
Feb 19, 2001

She was a sword glinting in the depths of night, a lance of light piercing the darkness. There would be no mistakes this time.

PART SIXTY: Deal With It (May 29, 1862 - September 11, 1865)

To: G. Spyromilios (Army)
From: L. Apostolakis (Golden Horn)

We just wanted to unify Italy and look what happens. Am v. annoyed by this course of events.

We've mobilized, obviously. I'm putting you in charge of the capaign, Spyromilios. You've beat China before so clearly you're invincible, right?

If you lose, you're fired.


I know things might look a tad grim, but buck up! The Japanese Republic has refused to aid China in extinguishing the torch of liberty∂ in the Near West!


To: L. Apostolakis (Golden Horn)
From: D. Venizelos (Navy)

We have triumphed over the mighty French Armada! Our ex-allies in Germany will likely keep the French ground forces busy for some time— I suggest that G. Spyromilios and my other colleagues in the Army concentrate their forces in the east.


To: General Staff
From: L. Apostolakis (Golden Horn)

It's election season! Dead soldiers = lost votes = those Julian-Junonian namby-pambies winning the election. Careful out there, boys and girls. Make us proud back in Constantinople!



Lithuania requested our aid against Russia. Seeing as not one month ago they joined the rest of our putative "allies" in letting us twist in the wind against China, I have told them to sod off already.


To: Press Office (Golden Horn)
From: L. Apostolakis (Golden Horn)

I've heard a lot of complaining that we've alienated all our allies and are left fighting the Macau Pact all alone. Rubbish! Sure, we've been abandoned by Great Britain, the Holy Roman Empire, Lithuania, Austria, Hindustan, Lithuania and Lai Ang, but we know who our real friends are— the noble republics of Iran and Azerbaijan, our partners in the cause of democracy, liberty, and the Byzantine way. I'll note, too, that while Russia and Da Qin were present in Macau, they have declined to participate in this war. So really, the odds are just about even! Three to three. And we have grit.


To: D. Venizelos (Navy)
From: G. Spyromilios (Army)
France is hardly in fighting shape— much of the country is overrun by rival bands of Jacobins and absolutist rebels, but since their war with the Holy Roman Empire has ended, I suggest we commit at least a portion of our forces to the west.


To: Press Office (Golden Horn)
From: L. Apostolakis (Golden Horn)

The Press keeps on whining about a "budget crisis". Look, fighting for liberty doesn't come cheap! Anyway, we're going to just raise taxes and tariffs until the budget's in the green again, so it's all a non-issue.



To: G. Spyromilios (Army)
From: L. Apostolakis (Golden Horn)
Hey, good news! Since we're already at war with France, they can't protect New Bulgaria! Am v. pleased at this development. Please occupy Sofia on your way to defend the Caucasus.


To: G. Spyromilios (Army)
From: C. Smolenskis (Army)
We have engaged the enemy. General Wu Zhulin is in full retreat.



To: G. Spyromilios (Army)
From: O. Peneid (Army)
All's quiet on the western front. France still falling apart, internally and externally. Élisabeth and the nobility are locked in a death-struggle for power while Lai Ang overruns the undefended western frontiers.





To: G. Spyromilios (Army)
From: O. Peneid (Army)
Never mind.




To: Press Office (Golden Horn)
From: L. Apostolakis (Golden Horn)
Perfidious Albion! After all we've done for them, this is how they repay us? Assure the public that the Thames will be red with Habsburg blood by Christmas!

Later: Have been reminded that the capital of Great Britain is Edinburgh. As if it's beyond our capabilities to bring the Habsburgs down to London and then hiratine them!

Speaking of hiratining— have heard some v. concerning rumours of Jacobin rebels under Andronikos Helladid &c. disrupting our operations from behind the lines. Constantinople is becoming mad with fear & other such unpleasantries. The risk of public disorder is becoming of some concern— so let's announce that we're going to authorize the Department of Public Safety to maintain good order in the capital.


To: G. Spyromilios (Army)
From: L. Apostolakis (Golden Horn)

Have heard you've gotten a bit pessimistic about our chances. But look at what a great victory we've won already! Our great work's already half-done!


To: Majority Leader M. Çetinkaya (National Assembly)
From: L. Apostolakis (Golden Horn)

The Junonians won votes in the double-digits! What in God's name went wrong? We need to get on top of this, pronto.


To: Department of Foreign Affairs (Golden Horn)
From: L. Apostolakis (Golden Horn)

Please convey my deep appreciation to the Iranian ambassador for the sacrifices made by his countrymen and women. With friends like these, who needs Hindustan, anyway?


To: G. Spyromilios (Army)
From: O. Peneid (Army)
British here in force. Habsburg and French troops fighting side-by-side! Initial defensive lines have become indefensible— please send updated orders.


France alone isn't likely to put up much of a fight— as one war ends, another begins—


—but they've permitted the British to use land troops across the Channel and send them to the Alpine front on French railways.


To: L. Apostolakis (Golden Horn)
From: D. Venizelos (Navy)

We've designed the advanced naval facilities necessary to construct modern ironclad vessels! Perhaps one day we will have the funds necessary to build such facilities or vessels.


I accept the War Department's decision to focus on more immediately applicable research, of course.


To: O Peneid (Army)
From: G. Spyromilios (Army)

Northern Italy is lost, for now. I am ordering you to form two new defensive lines— one at Modena, and one at Gorizia. This will keep the British contained whilst we try to hold the Caucasus against the Chinese.


Some forces have been detached to counter the Hungarians, but as their initial advance has already been foiled, we expect this theater to of minor importance compared to Italy and the Caucasus.


I will remain in charge of the Caucasian theater. With Armenia denying military access, there are two narrow routes the Chinese are able to advance through— through occupied Iran and Azerbaijan in the south, and through the Caucasus proper in the north.


Thus far, Byzantine forces have successfully maintained control over this area.


To: L. Apostolakis (Golden Horn)
From: G. Spyromilios (Army)

Unfortunate news, Mr. President.


While Da Qin opted out of the Macau Pact proper, they have now elected to allow Chinese troops to pass through their territory. We have been flanked, and the Caucasus front is collapsing. I urgently request your permission to withdraw to a more defensible position.


To: G. Spyromilios (Army)
From: L. Apostolakis (Golden Horn)

Do whatever you think is necessary, friend! You're the general, after all. And we need to keep our forces safe, because as soon as we're done showing Empress Zhu Chunmei what-for, we'll need them in Ferrara!


To: L. Apostolakis (Golden Horn)
From: K. Katsimiros (Army)

General Spyromilios is dead.


I have taken charge of the eastern front— somebody had to. I am a loyal citizen of Byzantium, and would never think to overstep my area of responsibility.


I am forming two defensive lines to hold the balance of Anatolia— a frontline directly along our border with Da Qin and occupied Trebizond, and a support line ready to reinforce any gaps in the frontline.


To: Press Office (Golden Horn)
From: L. Apostolakis (Golden Horn)

The Habsburgs have just taken another bite out of France! Remember when that sort of thing was just good news, full stop? Anyway, the folks over in Public Safety hiratined another six people printing pro-Habsburg pamphlets, so let's try to spin that into a positive. I'm sure the Katsimiros line will hold, but people here are getting antsy. Haven't left the House of the Golden Horn in weeks. A few public hiratinings will put the fear of God into the rabble, right? Let 'em know we're on the case so they don't need to go around massacring prisoners or burning down municipal services.


To: L. Apostolakis (Golden Horn)
From: K. Katsimiros (Army)
The Katsimiros line is holding! The people of Constantinople can rest easy tonight.












To: L. Apostolakis (Golden Horn)
From: T. Pangalos (Army)

My father always told me that we live in the best of all possible worlds. I have tried to keep his words in mind as the Katsimiros line collapses before my eyes. I suppose in times like this, we must remember that the world physical world of the Demiurge is but one half of a whole, and that as we near death we are closer to the luminous immanence of God and the Kingdom of Heaven. There are forces at work in the universe far, far greater than ourselves— far greater than all China, greater than all the petty states of men and women.

I am cut off from Katsimiros— the Macau Pact have been cutting telegraph wires as they push west. (The railroads have been left intact, but are firmly under enemy control)

If ordered, I will attempt to keep the Chinese on this side of the Bosphorus.


However: Macau Pact forces (mostly Chinese, but the survivors of the failed Hungarian offensive are present as well) have negotiated passage through Russia and are invading from the north. They have already reached the banks of the Danube. We must withdraw to a tighter defensive line and defend the Greek peninsula.


To: T. Pangalos (Army)
From: L. Apostolakis (Golden Horn)

Your father sounds like a v. clever man! V. clever indeed! Remember— we are still the defenders of the greatest nation the world has ever seen! Once we achieve victory in the west, we'll reinforce you and drive the Macau Pact off these shores once and for all.


To think the world calls us warmongers! The Habsburgs are trying to seize parts of Poland that weren't even part of the old Holy Roman Empire! Who are they trying to fool?


Oh, and if you hear any unfounded rumors about civil disorder in Byzantine cities-- keep it from the men and women under your command, all right? We don't need to hurt morale with unfounded rumors from a treacherous press reporting things that absolutely aren't true, like a Jacobin escaping from a tumbrel and beating up a squad of armed National Guard.


To: T. Pangalos (Army)
From: O. Peneid (Army)

I have been unable to get ahold of General Spyromilios. I was told to get in touch with you, the acting commander of the eastern front.

The British attempt to break the stalemate in the west and break out at Treviso and Venice.


This opened up a gap in the British lines, however, and we were able to send the forces defending the Modena line to attack the British from the rear.


We are coming east.


To: O. Peneid (Army)
From: T. Pangalos (Army)

We could certainly use the help. In full confidence— I am reluctant to inform the president, as he seems a most unstable man, liable to recall me from command and place me in front of a tribunal, and thence to a tumbrel and ultimately the hiratine— but I do not think we can hold the capital. We cannot adequately defend both the Dardanelles and the Bosphorous and the northern front, so in order to avoid being encircled, we must establish a defensive line south of Thrace.

I am unsure how to both warn the Government that it needs to evacuate Constantinople and keep my head attached to my body.


To: T. Pangalos (Army)
From: S. Tsakalotos (Army)

Let's just get out of here. I've survived Adrianople with most of my army, so let's just get back to Greece and leave Constantinople to rot. At this point, the capture of the Government would probably be a net benefit to the war effort, anyway. We know what's best for Rome.


To: A. Apostolakis (Golden Horn)
From: Budget Committee (National Assembly)

Leonidas, our budget's getting out of control! We have credit, of course, but if the war goes much longer we could find ourselves in a hole so deep we can't climb back out again.

P.S. Where did the Constantinople garrison go?


To: Department of Public Safety
From: A. Apostolakis (Golden Horn)

Enclosed are warrants for the arrest of the National Assembly's Budget Committee. The charge is insufficient patriotism. We can't have the troops thinking they won't be getting paid!

The budget is fine. Everything is fine.


To: General Staff
From: T. Pangalos

General Peneid has arrived with her reinforcements from the west. The survivors of the Katsmiros line have safely crossed the Sea of Marmara and arrived in Greece.


The defense of the heart of Byzantium is as ready as it's going to get.


Good luck, everyone.


If we survive, we shall enjoy a true rebirth of liberty.


For we must remember— a republic is a fragile thing. It can either prosper and grow in strength and liberty, as Japan has— or decline into petty despotism, as has recently happend in the Lenape Republic.


From: Empress Zhu Chunmei II (Chinese Empire)
To: General T. Pangalos (Byzantine Army)

I'm sure you realize your position is hopeless. Surrender at this point would be perfectly honorable— the Byzantine army has fought with bravery and discipline. Even in retreat, it was orderly, organized, and calm— at no point did your men and women find themselves suffering the indignity of a rout.

Such a fine army! So committed to the Mandate of the People! It would be quite regrettable if I were forced to order my generals to destroy it.

You are far outnumbered, Constantinople has fallen, the Theodosian Walls have been dismantled. Most of the government is in Macau Pact hands— President Apostolikos has fled into the Balkans backcountry, abandoning his ministers to their fate.


If you surrender, I will permit your soldiers to lay down their arms and return home. If you continue your resistance, I will have no choice but to order my generals to destroy you, utterly.

I urge you to seriously consider these generous terms before sullying a fine and chivalrous war with needless slaughter and national suicide.




From: General T. Pangalos (Byzantine Army)
To: Empress Zhu Chunmei II (Chinese Empire)

Your Majesty,

I accept your terms. The Byzantine Republic offers its conditional surrender.


To: General Staff
From: L. Apostolakis (An Undisclosed Location)

General Pangalos was not authorized to negotiate with a foreign power! She is in mutiny! Danglis, Stanotas, Tsakalotos, Smolenskis— seize Pangalos at once, and then turn and face the Macau Pact! Your Commander in Chief commands you!


To: L. Apostolakis (An Undisclosed Location)
From: Empress Zhu Chunmei II (Chinese Empire)

Oh, for gently caress's sake. You lost the war, moron.

Deal with it.



EMPRESS ZHU CHUNMEI II OF CHINA


Chunmei out.

To: L. Apostolakis (An Undisclosed Location)
From: S. Tsakalotos (Army)

Well, well, well. Seems you have some backbone after all, Leonidas. The army's already demobilized, and dispersed, with the rump force allowed by the terms of our surrender hardly adequate to continue the war effort. Pangalos was right-- it's better to live and fight another day. But it's good to see you want to fight another day.


I'll be in touch. Together, we can make this empire great again.


Remember our history. We survived Adrianople, we survived Manzikert. We survived the Deluge.



To: Capitolino Majority Leader M. Çetinkaya (National Assembly)
From: L. Apostolakis (Golden Horn)

Look, Leonidas, I'm not happy about it either, but we need to hold special elections to fill out the National Assembly. Between all of the members who fled Constantinople, died in the siege, or... were totally justifiably found guilty of treason by the Department of Public Safety... we don't even have a quorum!

I'm sure we'll win. Remember, even with proportional voting in place, we can build a large majority.


In any case— holding elections now will be a strong sign to the Byzantine people that normality has returned.







Reyhan Hamzaoğlu, leader of the Junonians in the National Assembly

To: L. Apostolakis (Golden Horn)
From: Junonian Majority Leader R. Hamzaoğlu (National Assembly)

I know that the Junonians and the Capitolino haven't always seen eye-to-eye. You didn't like the fact that we stubbornly clung to existence through decades of Capitolino control over every aspect of political life, and we didn't like the fact that you used a fundamentally flawed first-past-the-post voting system to turn our entire democracy into a farce, alienated every one of our allies, made us the most hated nation in the world, and ultimately led us to a humiliating defeat at the hands of the Chinese Empire.

Water under the bridge! No reason we can't have a productive working relationship for the remainder of your term.


We've made a few changes to the budget! I'm sure you can find a way to close the deficit.


What do you think of trade unions? We love them! Hope you do too, since we just legalized them all!


Your pal,
Reyhan Hamzaoğlu, Esq.

To: L. Apostolakis (Golden Gorn)
From: S. Tsakalotos (Army)

The time has come for drastic action.

With the remnants of the Byzantine army distracted by a petty anarcho-Liberal uprising...


...I have made contact with an agent of the Black Chamber, who in turn has access to that exotic and forbidden outpost of the old Komnenos Empire— Rhodes. He has chartered a ship to Byzantine shores carrying a most exceptional guest.

FEL TEMP REPARATIO


WORLD MAP, 1865

sniper4625
Sep 26, 2009

Loyal to the hEnd
LONG LIVE THE EMPEROR! LONG LIVE TRUE ROME!

But in all honesty, the time of the "Byzantine Republic" has passed. The howling demands of the mob have led us to the brink of destruction. Stability, order, and reconstruction are the orders of the day, orders best carried out through firm and decisive leadership of the imperial nature. The restoration of the Roman Empire shall be the restoration of the nation itself.

sniper4625 fucked around with this message at 07:34 on Jan 23, 2015

Sindai
Jan 24, 2007
i want to achieve immortality through not dying
Strike down the pretender! France had a revolution after getting crushed. Do we want to be like France? :colbert:

vancho1
Oct 6, 2013
Good god! Has freedom and liberty perished from this earth? Have we fallen this low to cast aside our principles and accept this prince to rule over us in our daily lives?

I say, never! The Republic is not yet lost! We shall fight tyranny for all eternity, down with this false Emperor!

NewMars
Mar 10, 2013
Kill the pretender! What? Really, this is just stupid. Don't let him so much as set food in Constantinople. :colbert:

Empress Theonora
Feb 19, 2001

She was a sword glinting in the depths of night, a lance of light piercing the darkness. There would be no mistakes this time.


The National Assembly will soon make what is perhaps the most important vote of its existence. First, however, there will be a period of debate and discussion.

SUMMARY OF THE FACTS:

Very little is known about Rhodes, or the character of its emperor. There are a few well-attested accounts of the so-called "Roman Empire in Rhodes" from the past century or so:

Dorothea Kauffmann (Artemis), in the Athens Gazette, 1742 posted:

Great Zimbabwe, incredibly, won a war against the Somalian Republic. And that's how Cyprus returned to the Commonwealth without us having to deal with the intractable problem of waging a naval war against the second-greatest naval power of the world.


Little Rhodes was liberated as well-- and, why, you'll never guess who's ruling it!

A Komnenos. A Sunni Komnenos.



'Emperor' Timotheos Komnenos of Rhodes. No, really.

Edward Gibbon, The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 1828 posted:

The Mad Emperor Theodoros I Komnenos of Rhodes still insists that he, not the sovereign people of Byzantium, nor even the surviving Yaroslavid dynasts in Holland or elsewhere, is the true emperor of Rome. His island domain has become a dark mirror to the revival of the antique arts and culture seen in the late Roman empire and the Byzantine republic.



Emperor Theodoros I Komnenos

This is the first time anybody has provably come or gone from Rhodes since 1828. Indeed, nobody even knew for sure if Thedoros Komnenos had died, although given his advanced age, it seemed a safe assumption. Still, rumors— most of which read like something straight out of the most lurid histories of Suetonius— passed between the hermit empire and Byzantium.

The arrival of Kaisarios Komnenos on the shores of the Byzantine Republic have been accompanied by a new rumor— that he's as mad as his late grandfather. Whether it's true or not, he must have spent his entire life in the hermetically sealed world of Rhodes.

Emissaries of the Emperor have brought a portrait of Kaisarios and his Empress to Constantinople, so that everyone would know what he looked like:

Kaisarios II Komnenos, Emperor of Rome in Rhodes & the Empress Julia Drusilla

He has made only two promises— the "continuation of the Byzantine state" (whatever that means), and not to kill the entire National Assembly for defying him.

On the other hand, if rejected, there will almost certainly be a civil war. And while, if victorious, the Republic and all its liberties, institutions, and laws will survive— a loss would have quite unfortunate consequences.

Or, to get real for a second...

If we accept Kaisarios as emperor... BYZ will become a monarchy of some sort (so, no, we won't become "Rome", since the only way that can happen in ByzMod is if we go fascist. Which we aren't doing.) Which type, and with what political reforms, remains unknown. Life is full of surprises when you put a sheltered teenager in charge of an empire.

If we reject Kaisarios... we will fight a civil war against Kaisarios' supporters (or, well, the republic's opponents). If we win, I'll give us some kind of nice event, a core on Rhodes, maybe some cash and an infamy reduction because holy moley could we use a break. If we lose, it's a game over. Which, as we've seen, doesn't mean the end of the LP. But we probably won't enjoy it very much.

:siren: Voting will begin some time tomorrow. For now, let's just discuss this like mature adults and responsible members of the National Assembly. :siren:

Sindai
Jan 24, 2007
i want to achieve immortality through not dying

Rincewind posted:

If we reject Kaisarios... we will fight a civil war against Kaisarios' supporters (or, well, the republic's opponents). If we win, I'll give us some kind of nice event, a core on Rhodes, maybe some cash and an infamy reduction because holy moley could we use a break. If we lose, it's a game over. Which, as we've seen, doesn't mean the end of the LP. But we probably won't enjoy it very much.
Sounds like the option for cool and attractive assemblypeople who live on the edge.

Lord Cyrahzax
Oct 11, 2012

The world, in its utter hypocrisy, hates us for attempting to take what was ours by right. Why? Because we are so different, a Republic that has inspired fear in the ruling classes of every despotic state on earth. Ours is a state devoted to justice, to liberty, and to freedom. Anathema to the pigs! What is the solution? How will they come to accept us? A disguise. A golden mask. An emperor that will fight for liberty.

In other news: all hail the Komnenoi! All hail the rebirth of the Commonwealth! All hail Rome, inexorable and eternal!

Lord Cyrahzax fucked around with this message at 08:51 on Jan 23, 2015

mcclay
Jul 8, 2013

Oh dear oh gosh oh darn
Soiled Meat
Reject the false Emperor!

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?

Rincewind posted:

:siren: Voting will begin some time tomorrow. For now, let's just discuss this like mature adults and responsible members of the National Assembly. :siren:

So, in that vein, this isn't a vote, just a declaration of sentiments along mature and responsible lines:



gently caress monarchy.

420 Gank Mid
Dec 26, 2008

WARNING: This poster is a huge bitch!

Rincewind posted:

we won't become "Rome", since the only way that can happen in ByzMod is if we go fascist. Which we aren't doing

:(

At least tell me the Facist Rebels will have little SPQR flags

ZiegeDame
Aug 21, 2005

YUKIMURAAAA!
I don't suppose a tanker full of wine and an adorable mutt would be sufficient to keep this Komnenian Restoration pacified.

GSD
May 10, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
I support the Mad Emperor of Rome, by the Grace of Allah if only because it remind our good republic of what we face. It will show everyone that our revolution was nowhere near enough. Bring on the communists.

Duckbox
Sep 7, 2007

Hey guys, guess what I found in the family vault!



The colors seem a bit faded and there were some wine stains I couldn't quite get out, but all in all, I'm amazed at Great Grandpa's foersight.

catlord
Mar 22, 2009

What's on your mind, Axa?
Bring on the Emperor! More Guiding Light!

ninjahedgehog
Feb 17, 2011

It's time to kick the tires and light the fires, Big Bird.




We started with a Komnenos on the throne, and by God we'll end with one.

Pinback
Jul 22, 2012

I've been having real awful dreams about giant apocalyptic machinery
just mowing us all down...
I'd prefer a quick death to the slow agony of watching this madman dismantle our fair republic. Reject the Emperor! If we survive, we may yet free Rhodes from this insanity.

Luhood
Nov 13, 2012



Aslan I Qutuzid

Really, things only went wrong when we put a pseudo-Roman in the horn. Look at our latest two war-hawks for Presidents, not to mention the good general who wanted to support the Komnenoi from Rhodes in the first place. No Emperors in Byzantium! The Capitolino would most certainly try to use him to their advantage anyhow, and we all saw how that went.

vanity slug
Jul 20, 2010

The Empire needs a real Emperor!

StrifeHira
Nov 7, 2012

I'll remind you that I have a very large stick.
Upon returning from leading a small front-line volunteer forces in the Iranian Republic, witnessing many of the Republic's early defeats in the war first hand, Malalai Hira's reaction to the offer for letting the teenage "Emperor" take charge was immortalized by an artist in service to the family in this image (title: "Opposing an Anachronism"), given the rather crude and crass but reportedly accurate caption:



"FOR gently caress'S SAKE!"

Records state that she was vehemently opposed to letting the boy even step foot on Byzantine soil and had to be subdued on more than one occasion for fear of harming innocent bystanders in anger.

BwenGun
Dec 1, 2013

Tens of thousands of sons and daughters of the Republic have given their lives for liberty, to put an Emperor upon a throne long and justly vacated would be to make their sacrifices and the sacrifices of so many generations before them null and void. Let this "Emperor" come to Constantinople, so that the hiratine may take him as it has taken so many other traitors and enemies of the republic.

Caustic Soda
Nov 1, 2010
Death to the false Emperor!

... I've always wanted to say that.

Rahmbo
Mar 19, 2008

Freedom in capitalist society always remains about the same as it was in ancient Greek republics: Freedom for slave owners.

-Vladimir Lenin
The world will only know freedom when the last emperor is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.

Death to all reactionaries.

AdventFalls
Oct 17, 2012

When do we learn head explosions?
death to the false emperor

Reveilled
Apr 19, 2007

Take up your rifles
Noor Sallajar founded this republic in the flames of a revolution, and now you cowards are afraid of getting burned? Anyone who thinks the way out of our situation is appointing a madman as emperor has lost their mind! This disgusting wretched relic of an "emperor" spits on the memory of our great founder and the great men and women who succeeded her.

Kill him, and Kill anyone who stands with him.

http://youtu.be/rrBii4Kq9UQ

Rejected Fate
Aug 5, 2011

No to Monarchy


Also goddamn, China really needs to get its industrial potential out there already.

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

Tr*ckin' and F*ckin' all the way to tha
T O P

I am giddy with excitement. Clearly, we must support a return of the Roman Emperor and his imperial household to their rightful places.

Readingaccount
Jan 6, 2013

Law of the jungle
Senators, assembly representatives! If you can just get your toleration boner out of the way for a second, you'll realize the Emperor is the far more entertaining option.
Besides isn't the military restricted in size right now? I really doubt Byzantium can hold against a proper revolt with multiple rebel doomstacks running around. Best case scenario for the tolerators is probably some Jacobins foil the plot and seize power.

>Yeah, I hope so too, just as long as it's not too many troops. The AI can be extremely retarded after all, though with a contiguous Byzantium it shouldn't be too bad.

Readingaccount fucked around with this message at 13:17 on Jan 23, 2015

BwenGun
Dec 1, 2013

Readingaccount posted:

Senators, assembly reprensentatives! If you can just get your toleration boner out of the way for a second, you'll realize the Emperor is the far more entertaining option.
Besides isn't the military restricted in size right now? I really doubt Byzantium can hold against a proper revolt with multiple rebel doomstacks running around. Best case scenario for the tolerators is probably some Jacobins foil the plot and seize power.

I'm assuming/hoping that Rince will make the civil war interesting, if it looks like the Republic will get steam-rollered otherwise, by giving the Republic event troops in the same vein as the the Monarchists will get event troops/rebels. If, for no other reason, than to make the contest interesting for the thread to watch.

Reveilled
Apr 19, 2007

Take up your rifles
Yeah, in terms of entertainment I've more than had my fill of absolute monarchs over the years of seeing Paradox LPs, and a desperate fight to save the republic sounds a lot more interesting than "The Black Emperor 2: Electric Boogaloo" complete with purges, teen angst, the return of our French-exiled thought police, dark poetry, oppression, and a soundtrack by My Chemical Romance.

No thanks, I've had that before, and we were all the better for it when Noor lopped its head off last time.

Lynneth
Sep 13, 2011
I want a republic, and by god I'm going to support it. Fully agree with Reveilled, among others.
gently caress the monarchy.

Sky Shadowing
Feb 13, 2012

At least we're not the Thalmor (yet)
Yeah, we've gone down the road of Maximum Hitler several times before. So I say Long Live the Roman Republic!

Dry Hump
Sep 14, 2013
FOR THE EMPEROR!

AJ_Impy
Jun 17, 2007

SWORD OF SMATTAS. CAN YOU NOT HEAR A WORLD CRY OUT FOR JUSTICE? WHEN WILL YOU DELIVER IT?
Yam Slacker
Restore Rome! Oblivion take those who deny our past!

Raise up the fasces of justice if that is what it will take, but we must reclaim our true identity, no matter the cost. Republic, empire, these are irrelevancies, both equally flawed, both equally valid. But the one thing we will never forget is this: We are Rome. And we will not rest until our true nature is restored.

HiHo ChiRho
Oct 23, 2010

Readingaccount posted:

Senators, assembly representatives! If you can just get your toleration boner out of the way for a second, you'll realize the Emperor is the far more entertaining option.
Besides isn't the military restricted in size right now? I really doubt Byzantium can hold against a proper revolt with multiple rebel doomstacks running around. Best case scenario for the tolerators is probably some Jacobins foil the plot and seize power.

>Yeah, I hope so too, just as long as it's not too many troops. The AI can be extremely retarded after all, though with a contiguous Byzantium it shouldn't be too bad.

Hail the Emperor, death to Reactionary rebel doomstacks

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Shogeton
Apr 26, 2007

"Little by little the old world crumbled, and not once did the king imagine that some of the pieces might fall on him"

Look, I'm sure the kid's perfectly nice and all, but he should stay on his little island playground and have fun there. Running a nation is a serious matter for serious men and women.

Besides, I wanna see if we can get the socialists up there and make the Byzantyne Republic a People's Republic.

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