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##Vote A: Support the Republic
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Jan 23, 2015 17:12
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TheMcD posted:Well, there was that one part where one group (myself included) basically poo poo themselves trying desparately to submit ourselves to a technologically superior power because the only way that country learns something is if you force it to, and then that blew up too. Flamboyant Schemers is loving weird, man. I remember that. I voted for independence the whole way through, then exiled myself to the glorious realm of the Burma-Pope in protest 
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Jan 23, 2015 17:16
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Readingaccount posted:If anyone is still in doubt he'll either lead us to glory or communism. This byzantine republic as it currently stands is pretty nasty, like. It's very tolerant towards it's own citizens, yes. But will mow them down in the drop of the hat at the first mention of independence and declares war on it's neighbours about once a month. If we bring a king in what will change? It's already aggressive and expanionist and willing to chop down rebels at the drop of a hat.
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Jan 23, 2015 17:20
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##Vote A: Support the Republic
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Jan 23, 2015 17:21
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##Vote A: Support the Republic But you know what guys? I kinda want to lose the civil war.
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Jan 23, 2015 17:22
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Do I vote monarchy for a revolution for more hiratines later or have a civil war to have my hiratines now...? I can't resist.  ##Vote A: Support the Republic Additionally, are the images breaking tables for anyone else or is 1280x800 just a dinosaur times resolution? - You are terrible.
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Jan 23, 2015 17:27
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TheMcD posted:Well, there was that one part where one group (myself included) basically poo poo themselves trying desparately to submit ourselves to a technologically superior power because the only way that country learns something is if you force it to, and then that blew up too. Flamboyant Schemers is loving weird, man. You know, after the fact, I realized that we should have A.) Submit ourselves to Burma-Pope instead of the Caliphate, and B.) Voted for Burmese Catholicism to win arguments in the grand ecumenical council. Burma-Pope forever and ever. He is my only regret about that LP. If Flamboyant Schemers ever makes it to V2, it will be my goal to preserve him. QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 17:40 on Jan 23, 2015 |
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Jan 23, 2015 17:33
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 ##Vote B: Support Kaisarios I need this. RE: the whole "we've been down the maximum hitler path before", every time that's happened it's generally speaking because generally there's a desire to just keep doing what we've been doing, so I always like to vote for the options that dramatically change course. Also... Chief Savage Man posted:##Vote B: A New Emperor
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Jan 23, 2015 17:36
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##Vote A: Support the Republic Don't bring back thee monarchy please. 
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Jan 23, 2015 17:42
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Do you remember that the original office of "Emperor", established by Augustus (pbuh), was a title granted to Rome's most capable citizen, to lead them to safety and prosperity? It was not a dynastic title. Rome is a stranger to kings and should keep it that way. There is nothing sacred in the Komnenoi blood. What we Romans need, really need, is a return to the institutions that made us great. We need a dictator, but one chosen from the best of our citizenry, not the scion of some deposed aristocrats. We rule the twin birthplaces of the world's finest empire. It's time we assumed the mantle.
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Jan 23, 2015 17:44
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##Vote A: Support the Republic
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Jan 23, 2015 17:55
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Always will I be grateful to the Komnenoi. Alexios and his scions brought the decaying Empire back from the brink of disaster. If it were not for their efforts, I have little doubt the Byzantine Republic would not exist today, for Rome would have been consumed by invaders centuries ago. With that noted: ##Vote A: Support the Republic Kaisarios shares nothing with his forebears but his name. He has been raised on that forsaken island on nothing but talk of revenge and loss. Even if one were prone to support a restoration, he is laughably unqualified to rule an Empire. No matter what your position, the Republic is the better choice here.
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Jan 23, 2015 18:00
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Do we not remember Rome's own history of political dynasties? Great men like.... Caligula, successor of Tiberius? Nero, successor of Claudius? Rome needs capable men and women, not their sons and daughters.
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Jan 23, 2015 18:18
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##Vote A: Support the Republic
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Jan 23, 2015 18:21
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Jan 23, 2015 18:27
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Dibujante posted:Do we not remember Rome's own history of political dynasties? Great men like.... Caligula, successor of Tiberius? Nero, successor of Claudius? Rome needs capable men and women, not their sons and daughters. If one were inclined to support a restoration, and I am not saying I am, these questions would be important, would they not?
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Jan 23, 2015 18:35
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Cestrian posted:This byzantine republic as it currently stands is pretty nasty, like. That's because we're playing Vicky 2 more than anything else.
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Jan 23, 2015 18:36
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Mostly because I think putting an Emperor back in power the moment things get difficult would fly in the face of the themes Rince has built up through her narrative, though since we've kicked off Deluge 2 Electric Boogaloo and her votes tend to be traps, I vote with the proviso that at the end of the day Rince should go with whatever's best for a) her narrative/what she happens to want to write and b) us not getting blasted into an unciv/completely annexed. :P EDIT: I think it's fair to note to people voting that if we go republic and lose the civil war, apparently we will game over? I dunno, that's what Rince seems to've said. Flesnolk fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Jan 23, 2015 |
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Jan 23, 2015 18:39
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JT Jag posted:Do we even know what Kaisario's claim is? Most likely, he is the heir of some... second-cousin of the last Komnenian Emperor. If that, if he isn't the heir of a pretender living in Rhodes who just decided who start using the name one day. OOC, he's just a Komnenos because that was one of the Greek dynasty names in the EU4 ByzMod, and when Rhodes was released from Somalia it got a random ruler. IC, I imagine the Rhodes Komnenoi are descended from some of the various Komnenos nobility scattered around the empire (and Europe in general) as CK2 went on. So ultimately descended from Alexios I, but branching off from the main line of emperors and empresses not too long after that.
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Jan 23, 2015 18:41
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Rincewind posted:OOC, he's just a Komnenos because that was one of the Greek dynasty names in the EU4 ByzMod, and when Rhodes was released from Somalia it got a random ruler.
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Jan 23, 2015 18:43
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##Vote B: Support Kaisarios The Üzüntü family's support of the Republic has only ever been cautious and guarded, and even that reluctant trust has been failed by our leaders. The republic has brought nothing but strife, and something must be done about it. We are unanimous in our support of the restored Empire. Well, unanimous aside from Cousin Elif, of course, with all that nonsense those Republican War Academy propagandists are filling her young head with in Ankara. But she won't be a problem, surely.
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Jan 23, 2015 18:51
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JT Jag posted:Do we even know what Kaisario's claim is? Most likely, he is the heir of some... second-cousin of the last Komnenian Emperor. If that, if he isn't the heir of a pretender living in Rhodes who just decided who start using the name one day. What does his claim matter? Rome isn't ruled by claimaints, it is ruled by its best citizens.
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Jan 23, 2015 18:56
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##Vote A: Support the Republic No monarchs or Demiurge, Only Byzantium!
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Jan 23, 2015 18:58
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Dibujante posted:What does his claim matter? Rome isn't ruled by claimaints, it is ruled by its best citizens.
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Jan 23, 2015 18:58
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JT Jag posted:Kaisarios isn't a citizen of Byzantium, as I'm sure you meant to say. He has lived in the pariah-island of Rhodes his whole life, as has his father and his father's father. He knows nothing of our ways, only of greed and desire to reclaim what he thinks is rightfully his. How can you possibly think he is one of our best citizens? You know nothing about him. I've been arguing this whole time that he is not one of our best citizens. Rome needs a strong hand; a strong Roman hand, whose credentials derive from their accomplishments and patriotism, not from their lineage.
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Jan 23, 2015 19:00
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Dibujante posted:I've been arguing this whole time that he is not one of our best citizens. Rome needs a strong hand; a strong Roman hand, whose credentials derive from their accomplishments and patriotism, not from their lineage.
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Jan 23, 2015 19:03
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##Vote B: Support Kaisarios Changing my vote.
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Jan 23, 2015 19:20
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##A Support the Republic.
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Jan 23, 2015 19:26
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In the coming civil war, let us hope that Kaisarios has half the mercy of Julius Caesar when dealing with the Senate. The army is weak and you will find no protection among the common people when Kaisarios marches into the City.
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Jan 23, 2015 19:32
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QuoProQuid posted:In the coming civil war, let us hope that Kaisarios has half the mercy of Julius Caesar when dealing with the Senate. The army is weak and you will find no protection among the common people when Kaisarios marches into the City. Kaisarios is not going to be a Caesar. Maybe, if we're very lucky, he will be a Claudius, or a Domitian. But are you prepared for a Caligula?
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Jan 23, 2015 19:33
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Dibujante posted:Kaisarios is not going to be a Caesar. Maybe, if we're very lucky, he will be a Claudius, or a Domitian. But are you prepared for a Caligula? CALIGULA DID NOTHING WRONG
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Jan 23, 2015 19:34
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QuoProQuid posted:CALIGULA DID NOTHING WRONG
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Jan 23, 2015 19:38
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##Vote A: Support the Republic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAusMcu513U
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Jan 23, 2015 19:41
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Jan 23, 2015 19:44
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JT Jag posted:Caligula was an rear end in a top hat. Nero was the one was slandered by history. While Caligula might not have been the most popular of emperors, he at least wasn't afraid to step on the Senate's toes and had many of them assassinated. Sounds like the proper way to deal with upstart Senators to me. Besides, there have been worse. At least he wasn't Elagabalus or Maximinus Thrax.
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Jan 23, 2015 19:54
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QuoProQuid posted:While Caligula might not have been the most popular of emperors, he at least wasn't afraid to step on the Senate's toes and had many of them assassinated. Sounds like the proper way to deal with upstart Senators to me. Caligula is ranked right down there with Elagabalus.
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Jan 23, 2015 19:58
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Elagabalus' depiction in the Augustan History is one of the vilest slanders of an Emperor in all of history. Look up what Cassius Dio, an actual contemporary, wrote about him.
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Jan 23, 2015 19:58
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Yeah, true, Caligula is right down there with depictions of Elagabalus. He is most likely much farther down than real Elagabalus.
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