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I'm really wondering if it won't be correct to cut Rabblemaster entirely, or if it'll be some combination if it and Monastery Master.
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It may be one of those cases where it's almost a 4-5 drop masquerading as a 3 drop. At it's best he dropped it with extra mana open to get more dudes even if the Mentor got smoked by removal. Where as you REALLY want Rabble on turn 3 if you can help it.
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Jan 26, 2015 02:13
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Rabblemaster into Shaman of the Great Hunt looks sick, though. I find it hliarious how WU Heroic got 4th place without a single new card from FRF. "Heh nice dragons and sieges nerd" *defiant strikes a battlewise hoplite*
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Jan 26, 2015 02:34
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Torpor Terror worked great on Friday. Any hand I had either a spell I could transmute or an orb ended in my opponent staring down the barrel of a 7/7 or a flying trample 9/8. The only really worthless card I had in hand at all was the etched monstrosity. Every time it went down, it was worthless for basically anything. I'm thinking about maindecking 2/2 surgical extraction/inquisition of kozilek, as what I sided in most was hand disruption anyway. That, or additionally cuttting two sundials from main deck and replace them with dismember. Here's the deck. torpor terror I probably have two more modern FNMs before everyone that sideboards sideboards for it.
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Jan 26, 2015 02:39
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This deck is goddamn hilarious.
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Jan 26, 2015 02:47
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kizudarake posted:Torpor Terror worked great on Friday. Any hand I had either a spell I could transmute or an orb ended in my opponent staring down the barrel of a 7/7 or a flying trample 9/8. The only really worthless card I had in hand at all was the etched monstrosity. Every time it went down, it was worthless for basically anything. I'm thinking about maindecking 2/2 surgical extraction/inquisition of kozilek, as what I sided in most was hand disruption anyway. That, or additionally cuttting two sundials from main deck and replace them with dismember. Neat deck, your Etched Monstrosity doesn't work though. It's not a trigger, it just enters with the counters.
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kizudarake posted:Torpor Terror worked great on Friday. Any hand I had either a spell I could transmute or an orb ended in my opponent staring down the barrel of a 7/7 or a flying trample 9/8. The only really worthless card I had in hand at all was the etched monstrosity. Every time it went down, it was worthless for basically anything. I'm thinking about maindecking 2/2 surgical extraction/inquisition of kozilek, as what I sided in most was hand disruption anyway. That, or additionally cuttting two sundials from main deck and replace them with dismember. You know Torpor Orb doesn't affect Etched Monstrosity right? It enters with the -1/-1 counters rather than getting them as an ETB so Torpor Orb doesn't stop it. Shuffling around some stuff for a hand disruption package seems like a solid way to go with it.
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Jan 26, 2015 02:59
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I'm curious to know if you ever got to hard cast Muddle the Mixture. Combo enablers doubling as countermagic seems incredibly strong.
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That's almost the exact same list I have (except I replaced the Monstrosities with Treacherous Pit-Dweller), happy to see I inspired someone though I took my maindeck almost entirely from another goon. E: Any other 2 CMC spells one could run instead of Shred Memories? Muddle is still pretty useful once you manage to get a Torpor Orb out but Shred seems like more of a corner case (that might be a good SB candidate if you move the hand disruption maindeck) C-Euro fucked around with this message at 03:50 on Jan 26, 2015 |
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Jan 26, 2015 03:41
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I thought Etched Monstrosity doesn't work due to the wording, there's no triggered effect that you can try and ignore.
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Jan 26, 2015 03:48
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Here's the something beautiful from CalebD I mentioned a few days ago http://www.twitch.tv/calebdmtg/v/3707368
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C-Euro posted:That's almost the exact same list I have (except I replaced the Monstrosities with Treacherous Pit-Dweller), happy to see I inspired someone though I took my maindeck almost entirely from another goon. The only other 2 CMC Transmute is Dimir Infiltrator. UB for an unblockable 1/3 or Transmute for 1UB. The Shreds are probably still better.
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C-Euro posted:That's almost the exact same list I have (except I replaced the Monstrosities with Treacherous Pit-Dweller), happy to see I inspired someone though I took my maindeck almost entirely from another goon. I think I hunted up my deck list from off the forums, but I did get inspiration from you talking about your deck(but you never posted your deck list.) Alaan posted:Neat deck, your Etched Monstrosity doesn't work though. It's not a trigger, it just enters with the counters. Cernunnos posted:You know Torpor Orb doesn't affect Etched Monstrosity right? It enters with the -1/-1 counters rather than getting them as an ETB so Torpor Orb doesn't stop it.  Goons want to assume everyone doesn't know how to play their own deck. I knew it didn't affect it before I played it. That's why it's the most useless part of the deck. The most it does is get mistaken as the real threat by a newbie duressing it. "A 10/10? Holy poo poo, that has to go!" I did hard cast muddle the mixture once, against an infect deck's titanic growth, (he tapped out for it), and then I surgical extractioned every other copy of it from his hand and deck on resolution(2 copies in hand). My turn, I swung in for lethal + 15 with two 9/8s. Also, another game, I sundialed three different times when an opponent cracked their fetches at the end of my turn. "In response to your activated ability, I activate sundial's ability. Your fetch is still in the graveyard, but you don't get to search for a land." Anil Dikshit fucked around with this message at 04:24 on Jan 26, 2015 |
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Jan 26, 2015 04:22
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kizudarake posted:
You can't duress it. It's a creature.
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kizudarake posted:
Then you don't know how to play your own deck because why in the blue hell are you playing Etched loving Monstrosity?!
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Jan 26, 2015 04:32
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Then you don't know how to play your own deck because why in the blue hell are you playing Etched loving Monstrosity?! It was in the deck list, and I was in a hurry to put it together. I figured hey, at least it's a 5/5 for 5 colorless.
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suicidesteve posted:You can't duress it. It's a creature. Distress. loving autocorrect.
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Jan 26, 2015 04:45
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kizudarake posted:It was in the deck list, and I was in a hurry to put it together. Forget a 5 mana 5/5 my friend, try out instead a 5 mana 10/10. You could also try laboratory maniac as well! 
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Magic thread, I need your help with a question about combo deckbuilding. If I'm running 4 Careful Study with the intention of discarding a Worldgorger Dragon to the grave, how badly does it hurt me to have 3 Dragons in the deck instead of 4? Am I better off running 3 or 4? TheKingofSprings fucked around with this message at 05:00 on Jan 26, 2015 |
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Jan 26, 2015 04:57
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kizudarake posted:Torpor Terror worked great on Friday. Any hand I had either a spell I could transmute or an orb ended in my opponent staring down the barrel of a 7/7 or a flying trample 9/8. The only really worthless card I had in hand at all was the etched monstrosity. Every time it went down, it was worthless for basically anything. I'm thinking about maindecking 2/2 surgical extraction/inquisition of kozilek, as what I sided in most was hand disruption anyway. That, or additionally cuttting two sundials from main deck and replace them with dismember. This looks really fun but also like it just folds to Abrupt Decay. I'd want to put Apostle's Blessing or something in the sideboard to swap with the Turn Asides if they're playing BG.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Magic thread, I need your help with a question about combo deckbuilding. You're worse off running 3 Dragons instead of 4 Griselbrands.
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Jan 26, 2015 05:17
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suicidesteve posted:You're worse off running 3 Dragons instead of 4 Griselbrands. Yeah you're right winning instantly or drawing is strictly worse than drawing 7 cards
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Fail AIDS human being posted:This looks really fun but also like it just folds to Abrupt Decay. I'd want to put Apostle's Blessing or something in the sideboard to swap with the Turn Asides if they're playing BG. Sundial of the infinite has built in protection to abrupt decay.
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Jan 26, 2015 05:27
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Dr. Stab posted:Sundial of the infinite has built in protection to abrupt decay. Unless they main phase it, which they probably would if sundial's out.
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Jan 26, 2015 05:28
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TheKingofSprings posted:Yeah you're right winning instantly or drawing is strictly worse than drawing 7 cards Then Reanimate Iona or Elesh Norn, 'cuz that's what they do. Griselbrand draws you a shitzillion cards. Reanimate and Exhume don't work on Worldgorger and it requires yet a third card to actually win which are the biggest strikes against it.
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Jan 26, 2015 05:30
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You done screwed up if you didn't listen and preorder your Tasigurs at 2 bucks a piece.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Then Reanimate Iona or Elesh Norn, 'cuz that's what they do. Griselbrand draws you a shitzillion cards. You don't need to dedicate as many slots to having creatures and the fact that it gives you a win that turn means you can use Pact instead of Daze, so there's that going for it.
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Dr. Stab posted:Sundial of the infinite has built in protection to abrupt decay. If they Abrupt Decay your Sundial in response to you casting any dude, you can Sundial, but you still lose your dude and the rest of your turn, so just relying on the Sundial doesn't seem that great to me.
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TheKingofSprings posted:You don't need to dedicate as many slots to having creatures and the fact that it gives you a win that turn means you can use Pact instead of Daze, so there's that going for it. In which case go all-loving-in and run four of the bastards. And run some Faithless Looting too. And Dance of the Dead and Necromancy for even more Animate Deadses.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:In which case go all-loving-in and run four of the bastards. And run some Faithless Looting too. And Dance of the Dead and Necromancy for even more Animate Deadses. I have Dance of the Dead in the deck as a 4 of, Necromancy costs 3 and I've got Intuition and Cunning Wish at that cost already. It would help me win against Deathrite though, but just Wishing for an Abrupt Decay serves the same purpose. E: Faithless Looting makes Force a lot worse and makes me splash red and the mana's tight enough as is. TheKingofSprings fucked around with this message at 05:50 on Jan 26, 2015 |
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TheKingofSprings posted:Unless they main phase it, which they probably would if sundial's out. Well that's why you run 8 of them while they can only run 4 Decays 
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TheKingofSprings posted:I'm really wondering if it won't be correct to cut Rabblemaster entirely, or if it'll be some combination if it and Monastery Master. Probably the latter. I see Monastery Mentor as more of a 4-5 drop than a 3 drop similar to how I treated Young Pyromancer as a 3-4 drop against anyone playing removal.
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kirtar posted:Probably the latter. I see Monastery Mentor as more of a 4-5 drop than a 3 drop similar to how I treated Young Pyromancer as a 3-4 drop against anyone playing removal. People keep saying this but If the opponent has removal in hand, they're going to kill Rabblemaster leaving you little to no value the same way they do for Mentor. The scenario where Rabblemaster is straight up better than Mentor is a scenario where nobody else does anything or has anything else on the board and Rabblemaster overruns the opponent with his own attack buff or you get to combo out with Ascendancy and Stoke. But I think you'd win just as easily with a ton of Prowess tokens. The real problem with Mentor is that the tokens don't have haste. But the haste and "must attack" is a drawback all of the time for tokens decks. I think both cards do a good job finishing off your opponent if you drop them early and you opponent can't answer them. But I think Mentor just might be a better topdeck later on. Better deckbuilders than I will probably answer that question soon enough. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 06:15 on Jan 26, 2015 |
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Angry Grimace posted:You done screwed up if you didn't listen and preorder your Tasigurs at 2 bucks a piece. I was talking up how insane this guy was but never bothered to pre-order my playset. rip
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Equilibrium posted:I was talking up how insane this guy was but never bothered to pre-order my playset. rip Weirdly slow reaction on that price spike. He's got Tarmogoyf-esque stats and can come down almost as early with an extra activated ability that's pure card advantage. Not to mention LSV saying "This card is amazing" over and over and still its 2 bucks going into the release weekend.
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Angry Grimace posted:You done screwed up if you didn't listen and preorder your Tasigurs at 2 bucks a piece. Preordered a playset at 3 bucks, also opened another one on Friday. Feels good.
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Equilibrium posted:I was talking up how insane this guy was but never bothered to pre-order my playset. rip It seems as though this inflation is a direct result of Patrick Chapin / LSV on podcasts talking about how much they love the card. It's really good. But it's not in every deck, and it's probably not a four-of. There's no way it stays that high.... right?
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deftest posted:It seems as though this inflation is a direct result of Patrick Chapin / LSV on podcasts talking about how much they love the card. One of the top 2 decks in the Modern IQ had Tasigur in it. But no, its not going to be 13 bucks for its duration in Standard. But I could see it being 13 when we get to Return to Zendikar or whatever's next and nobody is opening Fate Reforged.
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Tasigur is pretty sweet and luckily I already opened 2 of them, which I predict will be all that I need for Standard decks. The price spike seems partially due to speculation on it being good in Eternal formats, as I don't really see any Standard decks playing more than 2 in a deck.
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Why only 2? The legendary rule didn't stop Anafenza from being a 3 or 4 of in many Abzan aggro decks. It's a creature you always want in play. W/ 4 wayfinders delve fuel should rarely be an issue I think.
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