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Jace Madan
Apr 10, 2007

A survivor... unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality.
Another reason Bossk is cool is because he is part of the only species in SW that actively hunted and could take down wookies. Before he became a bounty hunter he hunted them for their pelts.

Also, Trandoshan religious beliefs are like the basis of X-box Achievement points, and I quote:

quote:

Jagannath points were a concept of the Trandoshan religion. Jagannath points were earned by hunters for each kill, and when they died, the Scorekeeper (Goddess) would tally the points to determine the hunter's place in the afterlife. To be captured alive was the greatest of humiliations, and reset a Trandoshan's lifetime score back to nothing, invalidating a lifetime's work.

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Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

Jace Madan posted:

Another reason Bossk is cool is because he is part of the only species in SW that actively hunted and could take down wookies. Before he became a bounty hunter he hunted them for their pelts.

Also, Trandoshan religious beliefs are like the basis of X-box Achievement points, and I quote:

Actually it is extremely lame

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



i know we've been over it but monocultures based on "the one guy who we saw on screen was one so everyone in his species is also one and that's all they do or think about" are just terrible.

did at least one writer try to buck this lazy-rear end trend? i'd like to think after all this time if i were a eu writer i'd be like "you know what, jabba's species actually highly values philosophy, charity, and asceticism. he's just a rear end in a top hat outlier and 'hutt' is actually a title like a mafia 'don'"

i mean for example the damage is done to the slug monsters but if there was another race of space aliens that hadn't yet been explored.

Milkfred E. Moore
Aug 27, 2006

'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'

Otisburg posted:

i know we've been over it but monocultures based on "the one guy who we saw on screen was one so everyone in his species is also one and that's all they do or think about" are just terrible.

did at least one writer try to buck this lazy-rear end trend? i'd like to think after all this time if i were a eu writer i'd be like "you know what, jabba's species actually highly values philosophy, charity, and asceticism. he's just a rear end in a top hat outlier and 'hutt' is actually a title like a mafia 'don'"

i mean for example the damage is done to the slug monsters but if there was another race of space aliens that hadn't yet been explored.

i think the closest you get to that are two characters from stackpole's novels - the twi'lek lawyer and the bothan revolutionary. i don't think any alien character in the films is treated as an outlier, they're all assumed to be the norm.

which is kind of weird because you'd think Jabba the Hutt means he's kind of unique as far as his species goes (because his title is 'the Hutt') but then every Hutt is involved in that sort of thing

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

I always just assumed that "Hutt" was his family's name, and he was the head of the space mafia. But nope, he's actually called "Jabba Desilijic Tiure".

Myrddin_Emrys
Mar 27, 2007

by Hand Knit

Otisburg posted:

i know we've been over it but monocultures based on "the one guy who we saw on screen was one so everyone in his species is also one and that's all they do or think about" are just terrible.

did at least one writer try to buck this lazy-rear end trend? i'd like to think after all this time if i were a eu writer i'd be like "you know what, jabba's species actually highly values philosophy, charity, and asceticism. he's just a rear end in a top hat outlier and 'hutt' is actually a title like a mafia 'don'"

i mean for example the damage is done to the slug monsters but if there was another race of space aliens that hadn't yet been explored.

This was why the original StarWars Galaxies loving ruled before they hosed it up. Trandoshan medic? Why not. Rhodian Creature Handler? sure thing. Mon Calamari weapons maker? You got it.
I miss that game. It was the single most amazing thing until they decided to destroy it.

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



trandoshans are predominately enlightened in regards to sentient rights and bossk's family has disowned him for his hate crimes.

nemoidians are by and large revolutionary socialists and the trade federation is repugnant to them.

ewoks in general are a spacefaring race no more or less sophisticated culturally or technologically than the galaxy at large. endor represents a fundamentalist luddite colony of teddy bear amishes.

you know if you want to get social justice jedi about it the strong undercurrent of racial determinism in star wars and sci-fi/fantasy in general is really uncomfortable.

Myrddin_Emrys posted:

This was why the original StarWars Galaxies loving ruled before they hosed it up. Trandoshan medic? Why not. Rhodian Creature Handler? sure thing. Mon Calamari weapons maker? You got it.
I miss that game. It was the single most amazing thing until they decided to destroy it.

pre-NGE it was really interesting.

I'm not sure if it was "Star Wars" (crazy fast-paced pulp laser battles and vehicle combat is what you'd expect, not 80% of the content focused on prospecting for higher quality petroleum to build better composite plating) but the whole a-la-carte character advancement and the crazy robust crafting/noncombat profession/player economy "build it from the ground up" system was if nothing else ambitious.

Owlbear Camus fucked around with this message at 13:41 on Jan 26, 2015

Pastry of the Year
Apr 12, 2013

Otto Von Jizzmark posted:

Has Bossk been given his own series yet? If not they should get on it ASAP he is by far the most exciting and controversial character in the Star Wars stable.

I always thought it was really weird how his shins and ankles were, like, wider than his pants:



I was also gonna say I remember Bossk as being strangely damp-looking but turns out that's another alien I can't be arsed looking up.

freethought
Feb 24, 2011
My report is on a star wars book. It is called Hair to the Empire. I liked this book it is about Luke Skywalker. He goes on many adventures and he uses the force and he uses the lightsaber he built in Return of the Jedi. He has to stop a bad guy who is trying to kill luke and beat the rebellion. The bad guy is very good because he is an alien with blue skin and he is also very clever and uses his cleverness to trick luke skywalker. My favourite character is Han Solo because he has chewbacca and the millenium falcon and i like chewbacca. he is funny andthe millenium falcon is very fast. I like this book because it is like the film return of the jedi and that is my favourite film.

List of star wars books I read as a child:

The novelisation of Star Wars
Shadows of the Empire
Specter of the Past
Some short story collection, it had a story about Corran Horn. All I remember is the main character was actually called Corran Horn and he had a green x-wing.

List of star wars books I have read as an adult:
The first 30 pages of Heir to the Empire (Hey I only got like 10 pages into Twilight, so I guess the star wars eu is 3 times as good as twilight)

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

Pastry of the Year posted:

I always thought it was really weird how his shins and ankles were, like, wider than his pants:



I was also gonna say I remember Bossk as being strangely damp-looking but turns out that's another alien I can't be arsed looking up.

Ol' tightpants Bossk

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



you know what aggrivates the poo poo out of me that appears in every starwar tabletop roleplaying game?

you have a bunch of different species you can make your guy with their various stats and traits and stuff, right?

in every version of the game made by different writing teams and publishers, 3 publishers, 6 or so revisions/editions, since 1987, every wookiee write up has contained a passage that is more or less this:

"wookiees have really badass arboreal climbing claws that could mess someone the heck up. wookiees NEVER EVER use these in combat, because it's a huge cultural taboo and they would become outcasts known as 'mad claws'."

without fail, they go so far as to not even bother giving stats for what the claws would do if you did. like what if you're already an outcast for unrelated reasons, with nothing to lose? what if you're a jerk to whom the moniker 'mad claw' sounds really cool? what if you're an iconoclast utilitarian who will pay lip service to the tabboo but wreck someone with your claws if you're desperate/angry and no one is looking to mark you as outcast? what if you're literally fighting for your life to protect the wookiee orphanage?

but no wookiees are so uniformly against using their claws to wreck people no version of the RPG even bothers to give you claw attack stats, meaning that the GM can make something up like plus whatever to your unarmed damage, but by the rules as written the taboo is so strong no wookiee is even physically capable of it

E: actually one more thing in some versions wookiees have an ability to enrage peiodically for even more prodigious close combat wreckage, but even in a blind rage they appaerntly won't claw folks.

welp that's my post complaining about a 28 year old recurring oversight in nerdgames, thanks for reading.

Owlbear Camus fucked around with this message at 14:10 on Jan 26, 2015

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Fetus Tree posted:

Years after the Battle of Endor, Bossk retired from professional hunting. He later ran into Han Solo on a space stationorbiting Ord Mantell during the Yuuzhan Vong War. When he heard of Chewbacca's death, Bossk rubbed it in Solo's face, receiving a broken snout in return. The encounter escalated into a fight, and both Bossk and Solo were put into arrest cells. Solo was allowed to leave shortly before the invasion of the space station, but Bossk had to stay. The station was later destroyed, but just before the explosion, an escape pod jettisoned.

lol

Bossk also fought in the clone wars, because of course he did

"arrest cells" because jail or prison is too mundane?

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



vibro-cells

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

Fetus Tree posted:

Years after the Battle of Endor, Bossk retired from professional hunting. He later ran into Han Solo on a space stationorbiting Ord Mantell during the Yuuzhan Vong War. When he heard of Chewbacca's death, Bossk rubbed it in Solo's face, receiving a broken snout in return. The encounter escalated into a fight, and both Bossk and Solo were put into arrest cells. Solo was allowed to leave shortly before the invasion of the space station, but Bossk had to stay. The station was later destroyed, but just before the explosion, an escape pod jettisoned.

lol

Bossk also fought in the clone wars, because of course he did

Tell the truth - how many EU books have you read, and how many EU books do you currently have in your house?


Answer truthfully - see through you, we can.

Kazy
Oct 23, 2006

0x38: FLOPPY_INTERNAL_ERROR

Otisburg posted:

i know we've been over it but monocultures based on "the one guy who we saw on screen was one so everyone in his species is also one and that's all they do or think about" are just terrible.

did at least one writer try to buck this lazy-rear end trend? i'd like to think after all this time if i were a eu writer i'd be like "you know what, jabba's species actually highly values philosophy, charity, and asceticism. he's just a rear end in a top hat outlier and 'hutt' is actually a title like a mafia 'don'"

i mean for example the damage is done to the slug monsters but if there was another race of space aliens that hadn't yet been explored.

Wasn't Jabba an outlier deviant because he had bipedal slave girls and not like other slugs?

Then again I don't know if that's true or not it's something I heard in earlier SW threads on the forums but that's it.

ElGroucho
Nov 1, 2005

We already - What about sticking our middle fingers up... That was insane
Fun Shoe
Guys, I just spent the weekend staring at Qi Baishi paintings

I think -

I think I know how to defeat the Chinese

FeculentWizardTits
Aug 31, 2001

OneThousandMonkeys posted:

You assholes who keep creeping into the thread to insist the EU is good to need to ride the gently caress on out of town

Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007


Pastry of the Year posted:

I always thought it was really weird how his shins and ankles were, like, wider than his pants:



I was also gonna say I remember Bossk as being strangely damp-looking but turns out that's another alien I can't be arsed looking up.

Not going to bother checking if there's a Wookiepedia article for cankles, but there probably is one.

Gridlocked
Aug 2, 2014

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The thing that makes me cringe the most: Trying to change the Mandalorians so that they are peace loving people.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

Gridlocked posted:

The thing that makes me cringe the most: Trying to change the Mandalorians so that they are peace loving people.

Everything to do with the Mandalorians in the EU is complete garbage

Hemingway To Go!
Nov 10, 2008

im stupider then dog shit, i dont give a shit, and i dont give a fuck, and i will never shut the fuck up, and i'll always Respect my enemys.
- ernest hemingway
what was "changing" the mandalorians, werent the mandalorians eu-invented in the first place

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

Acne Rain posted:

what was "changing" the mandalorians, werent the mandalorians eu-invented in the first place

Yes

Mr.Pibbleton
Feb 3, 2006

Aleuts rock, chummer.

Otisburg posted:

trandoshans are predominately enlightened in regards to sentient rights and bossk's family has disowned him for his hate crimes.

nemoidians are by and large revolutionary socialists and the trade federation is repugnant to them.

ewoks in general are a spacefaring race no more or less sophisticated culturally or technologically than the galaxy at large. endor represents a fundamentalist luddite colony of teddy bear amishes.

you know if you want to get social justice jedi about it the strong undercurrent of racial determinism in star wars and sci-fi/fantasy in general is really uncomfortable.


That always bugged me, like how even a comment in a conversation in star wars will cause sleeping generalizations about whole species. Like when Jabba calls that Twi'lek a weak minded fool for getting hit with mind control, Hutts now have +5 vs mind affecting abilities and Twi'leks have -2 wisdom. Then later on there's a twi'lek jedi and she's supposed to be super badass, but a wisdom penalty cuts into that so now there's an optional feat twi'leks can take that more than makes up it. Also I was in a campaign once with a Trandosian dockworker who was only in the adventure because he had a week off from work while his arm regrew. Also I told a jedi in my campaign he was getting a "chesty shy padawan" so he got a wookie.

One character in star wars is an outlier though, general grievous. His people basically got invaded by a republic species, fought them off, then the invaders asked the republic for assistance and got it. Also he was way the hell better in the cartoon than in the movies.

GET IN THE ROBOT
Nov 28, 2007

JUST GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT SHINJI

Mr.Pibbleton posted:

That always bugged me, like how even a comment in a conversation in star wars will cause sleeping generalizations about whole species. Like when Jabba calls that Twi'lek a weak minded fool for getting hit with mind control, Hutts now have +5 vs mind affecting abilities and Twi'leks have -2 wisdom. Then later on there's a twi'lek jedi and she's supposed to be super badass, but a wisdom penalty cuts into that so now there's an optional feat twi'leks can take that more than makes up it. Also I was in a campaign once with a Trandosian dockworker who was only in the adventure because he had a week off from work while his arm regrew. Also I told a jedi in my campaign he was getting a "chesty shy padawan" so he got a wookie.

One character in star wars is an outlier though, general grievous. His people basically got invaded by a republic species, fought them off, then the invaders asked the republic for assistance and got it. Also he was way the hell better in the cartoon than in the movies.

Yeah I've always hated that too and thought it was super dumb and lazy. Even as a kid I remember reading the essential guide to aliens and thinking it was dumb.

I had all the essential star wars guides and would read them on the toilet a lot. Reading crap while taking a crap.

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



Gammatron 64 posted:


I had all the essential star wars guides and would read them on the toilet a lot. Reading crap while taking a crap.

http://youtu.be/bxU2eqZtYmc

Iseeyouseemeseeyou
Jan 3, 2011
can someone edit or review my fan fic ? it's a n 18.000 word dissertation on jedi meister bossk, modeled after my own self

kingcom
Jun 23, 2012

Otisburg posted:

dumb wookie poo poo


Mr.Pibbleton posted:

dumb twi'lek saga edition poo poo

You should probably be playing Edge of the Empire and not dumb saga edition baby poo poo.


Only mention of wookies not using their claws "These claws are only used for climbing, never for combat, as such an act is seen as dishonorable in Wookiee culture."
No rule for them because it doesn't even factor in, wookies are just a bit stronger than everyone else and when they get hurt they do more damage.

Twi'leks are physically weaker than a human but you can just put points in that if you want it to be good because EotE isn't a dumb system that fucks you over if your not taking optimal stuff. Its pretty good at not doing the stereotype thing either with races too much either, this is the default twi'lek they give you to teach you how to play:




Also they are doing thing this thread was doing which is pretty hilarious:



Turns out Rodians are mostly peaceful and into opera and art and stuff meanwhile Greedo was just this lovely rear end in a top hat.

kingcom fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Jan 26, 2015

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



kingcom posted:

You should probably be playing Edge of the Empire and not dumb saga edition baby poo poo.


Only mention of wookies not using their claws "These claws are only used for climbing, never for combat, as such an act is seen as dishonorable in Wookiee culture."
No rule for them because it doesn't even factor in, wookies are just a bit stronger than everyone else and when they get hurt they do more damage.

I actually picked up the FF book and turned to the wookiee entry at my local game store b/c I was curious if the legacy continued, and saw it had the same blurb and no rules for it. You're saying eote/aor isn't granular enough to model the difference between a punch and a rake with big gently caress off dagger claws damage wise?

kingcom
Jun 23, 2012

Otisburg posted:

I actually picked up the FF book and turned to the wookiee entry at my local game store b/c I was curious if the legacy continued, and saw it had the same blurb and no rules for it. You're saying eote/aor isn't granular enough to model the difference between a punch and a rake with big gently caress off dagger claws damage wise?

Melee damage is just Brawn + Weapon damage. A Vibrosword does +2 damage. A plain wookie who was not put any points into brawn has 3 by default. That means he does 5 damage.

edit:The thing that makes the vibrosword fancy is it crits constantly which in this system is just an auto-kill on anything thats not a major npc or pc.

"When a Wookiee has suffered any wounds, he deals + 1 damage to Brawl and Melee attacks. When a Wookiee is Critically Injured, he instead deals + 2 damage to Brawl and Melee attacks."

Thats all you need for wookie loving people up. They hulk out and wip out their claws if anyone has hurt them.

woon socket
Sep 30, 2011

by XyloJW
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Somebody fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Jan 26, 2015

kingcom
Jun 23, 2012

Thats my original star wars EU character, please dont steal.

Pastry of the Year
Apr 12, 2013

Pretty sure that's not canon

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

e/n

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

TheSpiritFox posted:

I hope you're not talking about Lando and the Amazing Organic Quella ship because those were some of the worst poo poo I've ever read.

drunk asian neighbor posted:

The Lando books were very reminiscent of the original Han Solo trilogy: 80s as gently caress, very pulpy, and good fun reads. I loved the starfish robot droid and the aliens that were so terrified of another race that they made themselves devolve into basically zombies.

I think you guys might be talking about two different Lando stories. There's the early days ones where he's hanging around with Vuffi Raa the starfish droid and is targeted for harassment by a space wizard that turns out to be a squishy little bug monster in a big suit, and then there's the one where old Lando takes Lobot and R2D2/C3P0 and goes in a weird spaceship that is supposed to wake up a dead planet.

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


theironjef posted:

old Lando takes Lobot and R2D2/C3P0 and goes in a weird spaceship that is supposed to wake up a dead planet.

Yeah I dunno what the hell that one is

Mr.Pibbleton
Feb 3, 2006

Aleuts rock, chummer.

kingcom posted:

Thats my original star wars EU character, please dont steal.

http://toast1862.tumblr.com/post/42325697921/this-is-my-jedi-wookie-cantina-dancer-slash

Liquid Dinosaur
Dec 16, 2011

by Smythe
What are the stereotypes of humans? All human are either hotshot pilots, dickbag military types, or redshirt enlisted men?

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth

Liquid Dinosaur posted:

What are the stereotypes of humans? All human are either hotshot pilots, dickbag military types, or redshirt enlisted men?

No you see humanity is the only species that can have all kinds of different appearances, personalities, and cultures.

The only one.

Mr.Pibbleton
Feb 3, 2006

Aleuts rock, chummer.

Chomp8645 posted:

No you see humanity is the only species that can have all kinds of different appearances, personalities, and cultures.

The only one.

Actually if you're the wrong skin color/culture you're considered a near human like the space Eskimo. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Pyn%27gani

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Tearsaslube
Jan 5, 2015

by XyloJW
Kotor 2 was the the tits though. Cannon aside, the grey side of the force is p sweet. Honestly, i want kotor: the older republic: tool around with jolee and fish people

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