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Aphrodite posted:Sherlock is a really unappealing character. House was a total shitlord and everybody loved him.
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Jan 28, 2015 04:37
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Isn't Sherlock (let's just say Cumberbatch or Miller's versions, the most recent and 'modern') just a loving sociopath? Someone can come and correct me if they wish, but last I checked sociopaths can possibly make emotional attachments/have empathy, but they have to work harder at it or something?
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Jan 28, 2015 04:45
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I think Miller's version became broken and addicted to drugs after the Irene Adler/Moriarty fiasco. So he has feelings.
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Jan 28, 2015 04:52
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cool kids inc. posted:This has been edited to include the proper version of Carry on Wayward Son at the end which means it's missing much of the charm of the original, which had JAPANESE POORLY SPOKEN Carry on my Wayward Son. It was pretty ingenious and I'm sad it's missing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4tc8Do5wQA *ORIGINAL* Japanese Voices https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcqP1Yj_JVo Carry On My Wayward Son Japanese Cover
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Jan 28, 2015 04:53
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Sober posted:Isn't Sherlock (let's just say Cumberbatch or Miller's versions, the most recent and 'modern') just a loving sociopath? Well Cumberbatch is just the Doctor but with an excuse to be an even bigger smug dick to everyone so it's kind of hard to say whether or not he actually has human qualities/feelings. Miller's version though at this point has gone through a lot of change and they've shown that he is capable of truly caring for people, it's just a combination of him usually not wanting to and it taking a lot of effort/respect from him. On a related note, Elementary is really drat good. They introduced a rape/kidnapping victim this season as a major character and have managed to handle her past with a lot of maturity and nuance that you probably wouldn't expect from a procedural on CBS. All while still showing one of the realest looks at addiction/rehab via Sherlock and what he's going through: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuTCG4Rmsm8 I don't shill too hard for Elementary because ultimately it is just the "impossibly witty guy solves crimes" formula, but the character development and the personal moments on that show are really fantastic so if anyone's got a weekend to kill and is looking for a show, maybe give it a shot.
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Jan 28, 2015 05:04
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VDay posted:Well Cumberbatch is just the Doctor but with an excuse to be an even bigger smug dick to everyone so it's kind of hard to say whether or not he actually has human qualities/feelings.
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Jan 28, 2015 05:11
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Mu Zeta posted:I think Miller's version became broken and addicted to drugs after the Irene Adler/Moriarty fiasco. So he has feelings. In Sherlock he specifically mentions in one episode (I believe the first one actually) that he is a high functioning sociopath.
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Jan 28, 2015 05:11
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The Flash just aired an episode with a blatant reference to the goatse image. The CW is knocking it out of the park.
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Jan 28, 2015 05:13
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pentyne posted:The Flash just aired an episode with a blatant reference to the goatse image. The CW is knocking it out of the park. Wait, what? I must have missed that reference.
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Jan 28, 2015 05:28
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Sober posted:clearly intentional
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Jan 28, 2015 05:31
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Hah! Even got the ring.
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Jan 28, 2015 05:33
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I dunno that seems like kind of a stretch.
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Jan 28, 2015 05:33
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Spatula City posted:This is all a long way of saying that it's really loving simple understanding why women find men like Cumberbatch attractive, not some sort of complex problem of the kind only Sherlock could solve. I'm a girl and Butterscotch Candysnack still looks goofy.
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Jan 28, 2015 05:42
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VDay posted:I dunno that seems like kind of a stretch. It's a loose interpretation,
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Jan 28, 2015 05:51
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It's just a coincidence, you giant assholes.
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Jan 28, 2015 05:59
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Wow dude, no reason to be so butthurt about it.
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Jan 28, 2015 06:00
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xeria posted:I'm a girl and Butterscotch Candysnack still looks goofy. ^^ I'd also take Miller's Sherlock over Cumberbatch's any day, as well as... the entire rest of the Elementary cast. The mysteries of the week can often be pretty mundane (with occasional really great ones) but the way Elementary handles all of the characters and the situations they're in, and interpersonal dynamics is amazing. Watson, Gregson and other characters don't allow Sherlock the get away with being an rear end in a top hat, which is really refreshing. All the tertiary characters are fantastic and Elementary's Moriarty is my favorite in any Holmes interpretation ever. Also, there's a turtle. Annakie fucked around with this message at 06:26 on Jan 28, 2015 |
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Jan 28, 2015 06:24
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Yeah I'm making my way through Elementary s2 right now after kinda stopping but it's more fun to watch their version of Holmes/Watson. I guess I should be considered gross for still liking Moffat's version at times, but yeah, in comparion, BBC Sherlock is just a giant super douche that's not fun to be around and it's only funny because of that.
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Jan 28, 2015 06:27
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xeria posted:I'm a girl and Butterscotch Candysnack still looks goofy. I never disputed that. I was in fact suggesting his appeal is not really about his appearance at all, but rather something about his demeanor, or rather about the demeanor of the character he plays very well, because the actual Benjamin Cobblepot seems like just kind of a boring normal guy if you watch his interviews. also I haven't watched beyond the first few episodes of season 2, but Elementary has a way more interesting reinterpretation of Holmes than Sherlock. The British series is pretty much just a modern, tech'd up version with Holmes's rear end in a top hat characteristics jacked up to 11. He is a weirdo superhuman sociopath. And the Holmes-Watson relationship is actual pretty drat similar to the original stories, except for some omg are they gay? isn't that funny? WAIT NO NO HOMO NO HOMO! Also it's a little regressive in terms of its view of women (even Joss Whedon would have a hard time stomaching the proposition that that Irene Adler was a good female character) By contrast, Elementary does the radical move of recasting Sherlock Holmes as a human being, and then is also fairly gender-progressive. It makes Watson a woman AND eventually Holmes's equal and necessary partner. It has a better Irene Adler, for sure. Spatula City fucked around with this message at 06:56 on Jan 28, 2015 |
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Jan 28, 2015 06:44
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Worst post ever
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Jan 28, 2015 07:43
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Spatula City posted:Also it's a little regressive in terms of its view of women (even Joss Whedon would have a hard time stomaching the proposition that that Irene Adler was a good female character) Well, that's Moffat for you. He's said that the only reason she 'bettered' Sherlock in the original novels is because she could resist loving him when both of them wanted it. The true power of a woman, for Moffat, is their ability to deny their vagina to people, and in both Sherlock and Doctor Who they loose that power when they give their vagina away (Clara, Irene) or have it taken (Amy).
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Jan 28, 2015 10:58
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I think at this stage it would be prudent to point out that "goofy looking" or "alien-like" is not necessarily synonymous with "unattractive", due to attractiveness being entirely subjective.
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Jan 28, 2015 11:07
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PriorMarcus posted:Who they loose that power when they give their vagina away (Clara, Irene) or have it taken (Amy). Well, no one likes a loose vagina. Annakie posted:Also, there's a turtle. Kinda hard to get excited over what is essentially a walking rock.
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Jan 28, 2015 11:33
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Rapey Joe Stalin posted:It's a genuine career role. It probably also helps that they, apparently, became incredibly good friends. Who wouldn't stay with a job paying TV lead actor money if you got to hang out with you close friends all day and make fun of you fans on-screen? Padalecki even met his wife on the programme... to me it seems like the definition of a dream job. It helps that both the Supernatural brothers started working on soaps, with the occasional Gilmore Girls appearance or cheap slasher movies. They've gone from soap opera paycheck to paycheck to having a steady paycheck. They're not getting Seinfeld paychecks, but they're still getting steady work, which is why Jensen Ackles was happy to proclaim that he wants to beat "Gunsmoke" for length. .
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PriorMarcus posted:Well, that's Moffat for you. He's said that the only reason she 'bettered' Sherlock in the original novels is because she could resist loving him when both of them wanted it. The true power of a woman, for Moffat, is their ability to deny their vagina to people, and in both Sherlock and Doctor Who they loose that power when they give their vagina away (Clara, Irene) or have it taken (Amy). Moffat seems to equate female empowerment with being overtly sexual. There's nothing stronger in his world than a horny woman who's in charge. But it fits into his weird worldview of Sherlock and Who, in that smart people are brilliant and we should tolerate whatever behaviour because they're just so great. Watson seems only to exist because he is happy in this weirdly abusive relationship. Elementary presents it as Joan making a conscious choice because she's found something that she's good at and it's something that interests her. I know Sherlock is a lot more limited in time, but it's occasionally insufferable about how 'smart' it is. And given that out of 9 episodes like 3 are good, it's a pretty poor rate.
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Jan 28, 2015 14:01
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Anyone who's not watching Season 2 of Danger 5 needs to rectify their mistake immediately. http://www.sbs.com.au/comedy/danger-5
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Jan 28, 2015 15:37
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Irish Joe posted:Kinda hard to get excited over what is essentially a walking rock. Now you've gone too far... DrVenkman posted:Moffat seems to equate female empowerment with being overtly sexual. There's nothing stronger in his world than a horny woman who's in charge. Men are also super uncomfortable with women who exert their sexuality strongly, as evidenced here. Men are constantly horny and in charge but this is never commented on because it's expected.
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Jan 28, 2015 15:43
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SmokinDan posted:Anyone who's not watching Season 2 of Danger 5 needs to rectify their mistake immediately. Already watched the second episode and it was frankly amazing. I was shaking my head at some of it it was so good.
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Jan 28, 2015 17:15
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thrakkorzog posted:It helps that both the Supernatural brothers started working on soaps, with the occasional Gilmore Girls appearance or cheap slasher movies. They've gone from soap opera paycheck to paycheck to having a steady paycheck. They're not getting Seinfeld paychecks, but they're still getting steady work, which is why Jensen Ackles was happy to proclaim that he wants to beat "Gunsmoke" for length. . By this point Supernatual is their career, and they don't want to retire anytime soon. They and the network said the show will keep going until the ratings drop or the lead actors are no longer capable of the job. Given the insane dedication of the fan base unless a harsh winter/flu season kills off a bunch of them Supernatural could run another 5-10 years. Ackles is 36 and still looks almost the same as the early seasons. Unless he hits 40 and instantly ages 10 years he can still do the show well into his 40s. Right now they're still dealing with season-to-season renewal rather then getting multi-season renewals, but if season 10/11 maintains CW's expectations I don't see why they just won't do another 2 year renewal.
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Jan 28, 2015 18:08
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Part of it too is that they all live in Vancouver. It's not like X-Files where the leads lived in LA or Stargate.
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Jan 28, 2015 18:18
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Supernatural is still doing well enough that they tried to make a spinoff last year. Granted it never made it past being a backdoor pilot episode in season 9.
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Jan 28, 2015 18:29
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Annakie posted:I'd also take Miller's Sherlock over Cumberbatch's any day, as well as... the entire rest of the Elementary cast. All of this discussion is academic since we all know that Jeremy Brett is the best television Sherlock.
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Jan 28, 2015 18:31
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Lol, poo poo, the Dean's evil clone is up to his old tricks again http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2015/01/27/actor-in-ctv-sitcom-charged-with-voyeurism.html
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Jan 28, 2015 19:18
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GreenNight posted:Part of it too is that they all live in Vancouver. It's not like X-Files where the leads lived in LA or Stargate. Gillian Anderson lived in Stargate?!
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Jan 28, 2015 20:18
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ShakeZula posted:Gillian Anderson lived in Stargate?! Yeah, that's how I read it too.
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Jan 28, 2015 20:20
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Bad sentence structure. RDA (Jack) lived in LA and got tired of being away from his daughter.
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Jan 28, 2015 20:22
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GreenNight posted:Bad sentence structure. RDA (Jack) lived in LA and got tired of being away from his daughter. Classic Canadian tv filming mistake. Big name actors have other lives and aren't willing to completely relocate their lives to Vancouver. RDA probably didn't expect SG1 to last 10 seasons though, and by season 8 he was loving done. pentyne fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Jan 28, 2015 |
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Jan 28, 2015 20:39
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8 seasons is a long loving tv show, lets me honest.
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Seven seasons seems to be the ultimate limit for a TV show to remain good. Are there any shows that have turned in their best seasons in 8+?
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