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Hughlander posted:No just spergy goons. Probably have delusions of being an Associate instead like some retail job. any company that uses both the terms junior and programmer probably arent good places to work. looking at some national salary averages on glassdoor, a junior programmer nationally makes 53k, and a programmer only makes a little more at 65k. compare this to software developer, who makes 86k nationally, and variations on the term (software development engineer, software engineer) make between 90-100k nationally. you are literally being underpaid working for a company that uses these terms, hope this helps.
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FamDav posted:any company that uses both the terms junior and programmer probably arent good places to work. Is there a geographic effect that's confounding those terms.
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FamDav posted:any company that uses both the terms junior and programmer probably arent good places to work. Neat. An hour before you didn't know that the term existed and now you are an expert in its socio-economic effects! By any chance did you compare terms within the same industry and city or would that destroy the hypothesis?
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Cyclomatic posted:In some sense, I'm trying not to be a pain in the rear end to deal with. I'll grant that I can be a bit hyperbolic in my phrasing, put it down to having been in the Army. I enjoy my hyperbole. What I'm suggesting is pretty simple at the end of the day, I think. Set some like the following: "Either do this problem OR hand in a piece of code you are proud of (and be prepared to explain why)" This means that people whose code is under dozens of pages of NDA aren't going to ignore your job advertisement Sure going to tears over a code review is bad+dumb but so is expecting seasoned responses out of a fresh to the industry person Use your judgement Good Will Hrunting posted:Code reviews are awesome. I've only been doing this for a few years and it's great to see someone who (hopefully) knows more than me give me constructive criticism. I've learned a ton already and would learn even more if they were standardized at my company. That being said, I really hate that my sub-team does them in person and would much, much rather have them done like one of our other sub-teams with comments on out github pages. Code reviews are great but it's basically a knife's edge from being personal attacks in many of the cases I've seen, very few people know how to give or take constructive criticism and learning how to deal with it is important and difficult enough that unless a candidate falls apart under gentle questions i would not sweat it too much sarehu posted:Some people are innately perfectly fine receiving code reviews while others react like its some kind of personal attack -- and maybe if you wanted not to deal with the latter kind, you could filter them out in the interview process. Which would be dumb of course. Maybe I was just used to arguing on Usenet and forums but when I got my first code reviews at my first job, none of them hurt my feelings. Then another new dev also took them well (but he was a practiced rationalist and a beauty and the geek contestant), and then a dude in his forties didn't do so well. At a later job we had two newb devs that got all butthurt. Some devs just need to get slapped a couple of times a week and others need to get sent back in time to their high school days and get put in the marching band or (as my dad liked to threaten) get sent to Valley Forge Military Academy. well u see humans tend to be pretty nervous during interviews to begin with so using aggressive code review tactics during an interview is a bad measure tbh. StyleCop+SourceCop has saved so much vitriol in my life Malcolm XML fucked around with this message at 01:05 on Jan 26, 2015 |
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Jan 26, 2015 01:03
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Hughlander posted:Neat. An hour before you didn't know that the term existed and now you are an expert in its socio-economic effects! no, i was aware that bad companies call employees (junior) programmers. and i didnt, because at best it would show its true across the board and at worst it would show that good companies in places people actually want to live call their employees software developers/software engineers/&c and bad companies in bad places call them programmers. if you do that, could you also find me a list of companies advertising position for programmers? i found this but there must be some places missing.
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Jan 26, 2015 01:16
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I'm only applying to places that will call me a Gosu Code Ninja from now on.
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Jan 26, 2015 01:32
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I remember when I first started posting in this thread, writing a resume seemed really hard, because I had no work experience, no projects to speak of, and just a decent GPA and list of "skills" on my resume. Now I have enough experience that I am going to remove the "Personal Projects" section from my resume, to make room for more experience from my current job. Feels pretty cool.
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Jan 26, 2015 05:23
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Malcolm XML posted:StyleCop+SourceCop has saved so much vitriol in my life I can't say enough how awesome these tools are.
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Jan 26, 2015 20:57
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Is a contract still legal if someone from HR signed it instead of the person the offer was from?
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Jan 26, 2015 21:51
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Acer Pilot posted:Is a contract still legal if someone from HR signed it instead of the person the offer was from? Almost certainly yes. But, keep in mind that very few job offers are actually contracts.
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Acer Pilot posted:Is a contract still legal if someone from HR signed it instead of the person the offer was from? Generally yes. The only person who could say for sure would be an employment lawyer in your area.
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Alright, thanks.
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My story: I wanted to study computer science and become a programmer when I was a kid. I had a severe lapse of judgement and got a BA in music. I file goddamn e-mails for a living. I want to be a computer programmer again. I'm old as gently caress (34) and can't afford to not work or go to college again, so I'm hoping to take the self-study/work on DIY & open source stuff to build a portfolio approach. I've been doing Codecademy and Udacity courses for a little over a month now and enjoying it. -Assuming 3-5 hours of study/practice a day, is becoming employable by January 2016 a realistic goal? -What sucks about being a programmer? My outlook is that every job sucks to some degree (otherwise they wouldn't have to pay you to do it), but I'd hate to go all in on this only to realize I hate it as much as my current job/industry.
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PongAtari posted:-What sucks about being a programmer? getting the job that pays a sensible amount. I know plenty of programmers who have almost no clue about development, they cannot configure an IDE, they haven't even heard of Java 8 or C++11 yet work with Java or C++ daily.
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Updating the skills section of my resume: If I just put two languages here and nothing else, is that bad? I'm past the stage of listing everything I've ever used before, but at work we only ever use two or three languages and I haven't done any front-end stuff in a long time, so removing "HTML, CSS, Javascript" from my resume seems weird. These are still mentioned when talking about the actual work I did in my work experience section, though. E: Also, if a company (Company Baz) I worked at was acquired by a huge, well-known company (Company Foobar) and now its name is actually both those companies' names (Company Foobar-Baz), should I use the newly-combined name on my resume? It seems that's more accurate, but it was acquired by a really well-known company, so I hesitate to do so because I left a couple months before the acquisition and it seems like I'd get name recognition that I don't really deserve. Edit 2: I am also thinking of removing the link to my github repo from my resume header, since it only has old projects of mine from when I was a student. I hesitate because they're mostly several thousand lines of code each, just barely above trivial, done while I was a student and soon after I graduated, none of them were for class but were just because I was bored and wanted to do them. I feel like it reflects well on me that I used to do that back before I was under assignment clauses, but I don't want people to take it as a reflection of my current abilities, since I look back at that code and cringe now. Safe and Secure! fucked around with this message at 05:37 on Jan 28, 2015 |
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Safe and Secure! posted:E: Also, if a company (Company Baz) I worked at was acquired by a huge, well-known company (Company Foobar) and now its name is actually both those companies' names (Company Foobar-Baz), should I use the newly-combined name on my resume? I see nothing wrong with this.
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I'd say that's totally fine. You could also write "Company Foobar-Baz (formerly Company Baz)" if you think the double-name is confusing for some reason.
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PongAtari posted:-What sucks about being a programmer? My outlook is that every job sucks to some degree (otherwise they wouldn't have to pay you to do it), but I'd hate to go all in on this only to realize I hate it as much as my current job/industry. It depends who you are and where you work, like anything else, but software dev is easily the best job I've had. There's a lot of money to be made right now and companies are constantly trying to one-up each other with the perks they give you. At some companies you can even get away with not working more than a couple hours each day. The bad parts about the field are potentially working with spergs (which is why your choice of workplace matters) and pager duty (which is something I haven't done, not sure if it's because of switching companies frequently enough and/or being young)
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Space Whale posted:I can't say enough how awesome these tools are. We just set a team wide source cop stylefile and sourcecop configs and then have the build fail if they don't work. Saves a lot of grief. I don't give a poo poo about yoru brace style as long as its consistent
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PongAtari posted:-What sucks about being a programmer? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKorP55Aqvg
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Safe and Secure! posted:I remember when I first started posting in this thread, writing a resume seemed really hard, because I had no work experience, no projects to speak of, and just a decent GPA and list of "skills" on my resume. Nice! Congrats, I'm in a similar situation: I have about 7 months experience working now, first half was internship, and I'm finishing my masters in July - should I still have school projects in my resume? Some of them are fairly big/cool, but maybe I should just talk about my work experience more? Just not sure at what point in time this shifts. Also, should I list only the main languages/technologies that I've used, or other ones where I have some, more limited, experience? For instance, one semester I took a class that was a lot of PHP - but I haven't really used it since. Should that be on my resume, or just the main things I'm much better at and have the most experience in? Doghouse fucked around with this message at 03:48 on Jan 29, 2015 |
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That's exactly like my job.  Don't work in agencies kids.
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PongAtari posted:-What sucks about being a programmer? They made a comic about it, it's called Dilbert. They also made a movie about it, it's called Office Space.
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Skuto posted:They made a comic about it, it's called Dilbert. Yep, and you'll notice that neither of these things have much to say about programming itself.
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Che Delilas posted:Yep, and you'll notice that neither of these things have much to say about programming itself. They made a thread about it, it's here: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2803713
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When a company is hiring for a full-stack developer, is it reasonable to expect data structures/algorithms questions? I ask as a front-end developer with a little over a year of experience who is unsure what to expect. I've been interviewing with a bunch of companies and have gotten questions asked from "show me the html, css, and js for a basic carousel" to "given an array of unsorted integers, code up an algorithm to sort these from lowest to greatest".
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It's reasonable to expect data structures and algorithms questions for any programming position. Especially for web development where you need that knowledge and ability to cluefully do stuff.
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I had an interview for both a front-end and back-end position where the knowledge that calling a recursive function can put a lot onto the stack and potentially results in memory problems apparently impressed the interviewers, so at the very least having the chance to demonstrate that you do have knowledge of data structures and algorithms certainly can't hurt. Speaking of, I'm at the point where I seriously need to consider choosing between a position that is a better culture fit for me and where I feel I could learn a lot more from the people there, and a position that offers a better salary and benefits but I'm still not 100% sure on what I myself will gain from it. I do know that the salary at the latter is likely to be much higher than the former, and I do know that the former has a setup and culture much more amenable to myself while the latter seems a bit too overwhelming in terms of size. How do I decide which opportunity to go with? (Assuming I actually get the latter opportunity.) Pollyanna fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Jan 29, 2015 |
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Pollyanna posted:How do I decide which opportunity to go with? (Assuming I actually get the latter opportunity.) This is a common topic in the thread and has been hashed out several times - it always comes down to personal preference/what aligns with your own values more or less. Personally, I value generally liking my job and having opportunities for growth/knowledge over more cash. Assuming that the extra cash is just that - extra - and not the difference between making rent or not.
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It's probably identical in the end, since one is in Boston proper and then other isn't - though I could easily commute from outside the city...haven't quite sussed out the details on that yet. I think in terms of which job I'd enjoy more, it ends up being about the same for different reasons. One is is significantly larger than the other, though they are both startups; the smaller is more artsy and freeform while the larger is more corporate; there's more diversity in the smaller one than the larger one; the larger one is closer to where I live than the smaller one, but I only have this place for three months total; I have a better idea of what I'd be doing at the larger one than the smaller one (the latter is still figuring out what to get me working on if I start); I feel the smaller one will give me greater breadth in overall skills while the larger would build heavily on what I've initially focused on... Yeah, this is gonna take a while to figure out. Time to draw up a chart. Ultimately, though, I think they'd both be about equal in potential to grow, but in different ways.
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And here's a follow up to show you how bad of an expert that guy in the video actually is  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7MIJP90biM
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piratepilates posted:And here's a follow up to show you how bad of an expert that guy in the video actually is Oh gently caress off. Where's the balloon?
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piratepilates posted:And here's a follow up to show you how bad of an expert that guy in the video actually is Yes, hyperbolic geometries also make it easy without requiring a third dimension, although by definition the axes in a seven dimensional space are all mutually perpendicular. I think that's missing the point though. I always took the message from the video to be, if you're really smart be the old white guy rather than anyone else in the room. enthe0s posted:When a company is hiring for a full-stack developer, is it reasonable to expect data structures/algorithms questions? I ask as a front-end developer with a little over a year of experience who is unsure what to expect. I've been interviewing with a bunch of companies and have gotten questions asked from "show me the html, css, and js for a basic carousel" to "given an array of unsorted integers, code up an algorithm to sort these from lowest to greatest". For full stack development expect questions about the full stack. You'll probably get at least one ORDBMS schema design or query-with-joins SQL question, one data structures and algorithms question, and one UI design/javascript/css question.
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So I'm looking to apply to the following big companies, because I figure they tend to have the smartest people, the highest compensation, and name-recognition (not sure if it would help me much in the long run, but I would enjoy having recognizable a name on my resume): - Amazon - Apple - Microsoft - Ebay - Yahoo Am I missing any companies that would offer really skilled coworkers and top-of-the-industry compensation - whether they're actually big or not? Are companies like AirBnB, Uber worth applying to as well, or should I consider those to be roughly equivalent to basically any company advertising on StackOverflow? Also, is it actually worth applying to finance companies? I get the impression that they pay what they think is a lot of money (but actually isn't that great compared to salary + stock at huge companies) but the culture sucks.
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There's a few finance companies that are probably worth it. Bridgwater comes to mind, or some of the HFT places. Otherwise I'd add Netflix and Linkedin to your list (both above yahoo, personally).
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Safe and Secure! posted:So I'm looking to apply to the following big companies, because I figure they tend to have the smartest people, the highest compensation, and name-recognition (not sure if it would help me much in the long run, but I would enjoy having recognizable a name on my resume): The Times employ a pretty rad set of dudes. I think they have the guy who made d3js and the dude who maaade... sass? or less. They have the opposite of the one they use, can't remember which.
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The March Hare posted:The Times employ a pretty rad set of dudes. I think they have the guy who made d3js and the dude who maaade... sass? or less. They have the opposite of the one they use, can't remember which. Which Times are you talking about?
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KernelSlanders posted:Which Times are you talking about? This is not difficult to figure out if you google d3js. The creator is Mike Bostock, who works for the New York Times.
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Safe and Secure! posted:So I'm looking to apply to the following big companies, because I figure they tend to have the smartest people, the highest compensation, and name-recognition (not sure if it would help me much in the long run, but I would enjoy having recognizable a name on my resume): FWIW I've heard that Amazon isn't exactly the happiest place to work at + their comp isn't that great (might have changed in the past couple of years). Companies like Uber have substantially smaller engineering organizations than Apple and MSFT (hundreds of people vs tens of thousands) and their culture will be closer to a startup (albeit a $40B one). I've heard from a couple of friends that got offers this year that financial places are actually picking up the pace salary-wise, salaries for PhD grads in the 150K range (although the bonuses/stock are worse than tech firms). I think they are realizing that they are having trouble attracting top tier talent. However, if you join one of them now, be prepared to interact mostly with folks that could not make it to the Tier 1/2 tech firms.
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