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Edit: To clarify, charges are not being pressed against Dershowitz or Andrew at this time. The alleged victim is challenging a non-prosecution clause for collaborators in a settlement US prosecutors made with Jeffrey Epstein (an acquaintance of both Dershowitz and Andrew) some time ago. The clause is being called a violation of the victim's civil rights. Read the NY Times article for an overview of the situation. Prince Andrew and Alan Dershowitz Are Mentioned in Suit Alleging Sex With Minor NY Times posted:A court filing in a civil case in Florida last week included new allegations against Jeffrey E. Epstein, a businessman who pleaded guilty to soliciting prostitution, and two other high-profile men: a member of the British Royal family and an American lawyer. Those who follow the Israel/Palestine conflict may be familiar with Dershowitz as a virulent defender of Israeli military action. But besides his involvement with Israel's public relations, he's also a highly influential American lawyer. The current case relates to Jeffrey Epstein, a billionaire who trafficked underage girls to powerful and influential people. When he was finally caught, Dershowitz was part of Epsteins legal team and helped he negotiate a sweet deal. He'd only spend a year in prison for his sex trafficking and under fairly lax conditions. But there was another aspect of the plea deal which has recently been catching the public eye, which is a provision that bars federal prosecution of any of Epstein's collaborators, which now looks to include Dershowitz himself. Dershowitz, for his part, has completely denied the charges and has a gone on a rather nasty smear campaign against his accuser: Local 10 News posted:"This is a woman who is a serial liar," Dershowitz told Local 10 News reporter Bob Norman. "She's lied, lied, lied, lied." quote:Dershowitz said Roberts was a prostitute and questioned whether she is now, at the age of 31, a fit mother for her three children. Those who are only familiar with Dershowitz as a defender of Israel may be surprised at this behavior, but as Electronic Intifada notes, this is just one in many incidents of Dershowitz harassing victims of sexual assault: quote:There are two groups of people Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz has spent his career resolutely defending. The first is Israeli war criminals. And the second is accused and convicted rapists. Finally, Gawker has obtained the flight logs of Epstein's jet and found evidence of both Dershowitz and... Bill Clinton being on board. Of course that proves nothing, but I figured I'd include it in the OP as well. Red and Black fucked around with this message at 08:18 on Jan 30, 2015 |
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Even if Dershowitz isn't guilty of this, the guy is just such a shitstain. I saw him on some morning show last week and he was just ranting about what a terrible liar the woman who is making the accusation against him is. What a rotten human being.
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Ytlaya posted:Even if Dershowitz isn't guilty of this, the guy is just such a shitstain. I saw him on some morning show last week and he was just ranting about what a terrible liar the woman who is making the accusation against him is. What a rotten human being. Everytime I hear this guy in the news, or see something he's written in print I can't help but just really, really want to punch him in the face. I mean, I hope he gets all the due process under law but I'd really just want to smack him in the teeth, and that's not normally like me.
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Caros posted:Everytime I hear this guy in the news, or see something he's written in print I can't help but just really, really want to punch him in the face. I mean, I hope he gets all the due process under law but I'd really just want to smack him in the teeth, and that's not normally like me. due process under law is a year for sex trafficking underage girls
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Caros posted:Everytime I hear this guy in the news, or see something he's written in print I can't help but just really, really want to punch him in the face. I mean, I hope he gets all the due process under law but I'd really just want to smack him in the teeth, and that's not normally like me.
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Thanatosian posted:The man has spent his career abusing the legal system for the benefit of the super-wealthy. Actually guilty or not, I hope he gets raked over the loving coals. He loving deserves it. Whatever he may or may not have done, I'm not sure this is an accurate representation of Dershowitz's legal career.
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The Warszawa posted:Whatever he may or may not have done, I'm not sure this is an accurate representation of Dershowitz's legal career. Honestly, he deserves to get raked over the coals based on the poo poo he's said and written alone.
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Nation posted:due process under law is a year for sex trafficking underage girls Are you serious? What the gently caress is wrong with the states?
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Caros posted:Are you serious? What the gently caress is wrong with the states? He's referring to the plea bargain Epstein took. You only get a sentence that light if you're rich and influential. I imagine it's the same in much of Europe.
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Whatever happened to the Hackgate (perhaps excessively mega)thread? Isn't this an outgrowth of some of the topics in there?
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Caros posted:Are you serious? What the gently caress is wrong with the states? I dunno, probably about almost a hundred years of slavery then a hundred years of Jim Crow, good guy stuff.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Whatever happened to the Hackgate (perhaps excessively mega)thread? Isn't this an outgrowth of some of the topics in there? http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3507541&pagenumber=75&perpage=40 It was mentioned when it made news recently. "Another person more wealthy than you can imagine implicated in literal evil, now enough for a game of soccer."
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# ? Jan 30, 2015 07:18 |
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Dershowitz is the scum of the earth but I doubt any of this will stick
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So whats with all of these European government officials and elite turning out to be in huge pedo rings like out of True Detective? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elm_Guest_House_child_abuse_scandal What the gently caress is going on? I wonder how much of this is happening in America, but I guess the powerful being exempt from the law is a universal
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I remember seeing dershowitz defend the nsa spying program against glenn greenwald on cspan a few months back and thinking he was a huge loving rear end in a top hat. Clearly, I was right.
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IMO there is a strong overlap between people actively desiring and seeking out power, and wanting to gently caress children.
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Blind Melon posted:IMO there is a strong overlap between people actively desiring and seeking out power, and wanting to gently caress children. They're easier to keep quiet.
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Blind Melon posted:IMO there is a strong overlap between people actively desiring and seeking out power, and wanting to gently caress children. People who seek power are by and large broken individuals to begin with, so it's not surprising that there is a pretty large contingent of kiddie fuckers among them. "She had sex with men, therefor she can't be trusted to discuss who she had sex with" is the so circular that it's almost funny. If we can wreck a couple more great men's lives out of this scandal, it will be the greatest thing ever.
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What's with his obsession with female students complaining about his class? Students will tolerate pretty much anything in my experience. I wonder how much of his class was about how women are lying whores?
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Blind Melon posted:IMO there is a strong overlap between people actively desiring and seeking out power, and wanting to gently caress children. I think when you get rich enough normal morality just slips away when you realize you can do pretty much anything you want without the interference of the law. I don't think every billionaire is a pedophile murderer or anything, because ultimately people find other outlets for their money.
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I find it incredible that David Icke was right about the kiddie fuckers
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shoplifter posted:I find it incredible that David Icke was right about the kiddie fuckers Hes been right about a few things, which in a way is worrying as makes you wonder what other nutter conspiracy theories actually have a small ounce of truth. This whole Epstein situation is not a one off that's for sure, you just have to look at Berlusconi's Bunga Bunga parties, for another widely publicised instance of under age prostitutes. Underage prostitution and the powerful is probably not that uncommon, as others say power attracts abusers, after all many abusers abuse for the feeling of power over others not just sexual gratification.
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The age of consent in the UK is 16 so even with incontrovertible proof Randy Andy 'only' cheated on his wife and broke Yank law.
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Jack Gladney posted:What's with his obsession with female students complaining about his class? I'm gonna go out on a limb here and suggest that maybe, juuuuust maybe, the dude has a problem with women.
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Caros posted:Everytime I hear this guy in the news, or see something he's written in print I can't help but just really, really want to punch him in the face. I mean, I hope he gets all the due process under law but I'd really just want to smack him in the teeth, and that's not normally like me. I dunno, I don't really have any desire to personally punch him or anything; I'd have to spend a really long time washing my hand afterwards. I would just like it if he lost all of his credibility and had all of his assets seized and maybe spent the rest of his life in prison if he's guilty of this (the "if he's guilty of this" only applies to the prison; I'm cool with him losing all his money and credibility just for being a terrible human being).
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Captain_Maclaine posted:I'm gonna go out on a limb here and suggest that maybe, juuuuust maybe, the dude has a problem with women. I read "The Abuse Excuse" (paperback) when I was 15, at the height of my generic white straight male teen libertarian stage, and even then thought it was really gross. So.....yeah
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McDowell posted:The age of consent in the UK is 16 so even with incontrovertible proof Randy Andy 'only' cheated on his wife and broke Yank law. Aren't they talking about some of the sex having happened in the US (New York and the US Virgin Islands)? I'm not sure why the UK's laws would be applicable. Also, does the UK have a law about having sex with trafficked persons? (anti-sex tourism) The US has that and depending on how the exact stuff gets spun, he might be guilty of that as well (the US claims universal jurisdiction for that)
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rkajdi posted:I'm not sure why the UK's laws would be applicable. They wouldn't, but I can't see the UK extraditing him if he was found guilty - he would just never be able to leave the country again. But this is all hypothetical because this is a civil suit, not a criminal case.
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McDowell posted:They wouldn't, but I can't see the UK extraditing him if he was found guilty - he would just never be able to leave the country again. But this is all hypothetical because this is a civil suit, not a criminal case. I can't see the UK extraditing him no matter what the circumstances. Just getting to the point where the guy is stuck in the UK and constantly called a pedo is all I'd expect to happen to him. Though maybe if the trafficking stuff pans out there's enough pressure to do something decent. I'd also put up with giving him a deal if he flips on Dershowitz and that guy hangs.
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This is some Eyes Wide Shut type poo poo IRL.
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I bet Dershowitz didn't gently caress her while he was busy not plagiarizing for his books.
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Who cares about Dershowitz. Yeah he's terrible blah blah chow meow. Meanwhile Bill Clinton was on a plane with a convicted pedo and a guy who sure smells like an unconvicted pedo along with several different women on many different occasions, none of whom have come forward yet...and there was at least one rumor I've read, many years ago, about Bill and women on planes. I wish I could find it but it was just non-specific enough that there's nothing to go on. If this blows up Dershowitz will be a sideshow, and if there's any other evidence besides that log it will blow up because guess what presidential candidate is perennially the subject of tens of millions of dollars of oppo research? e: the rumor was not about Christy Zercher, this was after his Presidency and published sometime between 2007-2008 IIRC Adar fucked around with this message at 11:12 on Jan 31, 2015 |
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Adar posted:Who cares about Dershowitz. Yeah he's terrible blah blah chow meow. Meanwhile Bill Clinton was on a plane with a convicted pedo and a guy who sure smells like an unconvicted pedo along with several different women on many different occasions, none of whom have come forward yet...and there was at least one rumor I've read, many years ago, about Bill and women on planes. I wish I could find it but it was just non-specific enough that there's nothing to go on. Pretty much what I was thinking. This could be a big deal. Actually, I'm a little surprised it's not already a big deal.
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I assume the difference is Clinton might've flown on his plane a few times, whereas Dershowitz and Prince Andrew were close friends and supporters of him. I assume that despite being a pedophile he didn't use his plane for underage sex literally every time he flew on it.
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This is the first time I've really read much of anything about Dershowitz, and I can barely even believe he's a real person. He's the kind of character I'd expect to see as an antagonist on some cheesy TV crime show.
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Dreylad posted:I think when you get rich enough normal morality just slips away when you realize you can do pretty much anything you want without the interference of the law. This is the problem with massive inequality, if people have the social power to get away with something then some of them will inevitably do it. Especially if that power was inherited, so the entitlement is naturally a part of the persons character. Exercising power is a thrill, it's not terribly different to people abusing the homeless or children killing animals. It's almost pointless to blame the individual perpetrator, the goal has to be removing those power imbalances from society in general. That said it must be utterly terrifying to be a young girl trapped on a private island with some of the most powerful men in the world, knowing that they could do whatever they wanted and get away with it.
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Adar posted:Who cares about Dershowitz. Yeah he's terrible blah blah chow meow. Meanwhile Bill Clinton was on a plane with a convicted pedo and a guy who sure smells like an unconvicted pedo along with several different women on many different occasions, none of whom have come forward yet...and there was at least one rumor I've read, many years ago, about Bill and women on planes. I wish I could find it but it was just non-specific enough that there's nothing to go on. The fall of Alan Dershowitz would never, ever be a sideshow to me.
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:I assume the difference is Clinton might've flown on his plane a few times, whereas Dershowitz and Prince Andrew were close friends and supporters of him. I assume that despite being a pedophile he didn't use his plane for underage sex literally every time he flew on it. According to Gawker, there's more than a few questionable flights with Clinton on board with women later identified as part of the sex trafficking ring. I'm kind of amazed this hasn't blown up bigger, to be honest, the case against Dershowitz and Prince Andrew first hit the press in early January.
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SedanChair posted:The fall of Alan Dershowitz would never, ever be a sideshow to me. I doubt he'll actually face any consequences for any of his actions, though at least his reputation has been tarnished somewhat.
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