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(for new page this is in RE to the seattle officer who is in trouble over a dubious arrest of a 70 year old black guy) The local alt paper also got ahold of one of the officers ex girlfriends, who was also an officer, who said she's definitely racist and steals pot from evidence. Which is obviously not a solid source, but still pretty lol. http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/ar...police-evidence Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 18:47 on Jan 30, 2015 |
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Intel&Sebastian posted:(for new page this is in RE to the seattle officer who is in trouble over a dubious arrest of a 70 year old black guy)  I'm just going to quote one commenter there because it sums up things: quote:Of all of the things I was expecting to get out of this story, a window into the hidden world of racist lesbian grifter dirty cops -- that was, somehow, not the plot of a porn movie -- was definitely not one of them
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Which is obviously not a solid source, but still pretty lol. It's really one of those cases where straight up muckraking and making GBS threads all over someone's name is entirely appropriate.
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Jan 30, 2015 19:11
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It'd definitely seem more scurrilous if we didn't have that whole FB exchange as well.
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Murderion posted:He's using the cases of Sydney (a hostage taking crisis) and Charlie Hebdo/Paris (a pair of hit and run attacks followed by hostage takings). Armed units in both those cities had no trouble taking down the offenders once they had them cornered and were able to minimize civilian casualties; heavier ordnance wouldn't have helped due to the hostage situations. Terror attacks in western nations have always focused on quick, shocking attacks, with the perpetrators not being well trained or equipped enough to withstand serious armed resistance. Man it's funny how the Bundy Standoff never gets mentioned in these situations. I had someone on facebook the other day telling me about the "arms race" between police and criminals, citing the North Hollywood shootout, as if it was the norm.
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KomradeX posted:So the NYPD is forming a new Anti-terrorism squad that will also be used to suppress protests. There was a hubbub a few years ago when it turned out DoD training materials and examinations considered protests to be "low-level terrorism." Institutionally, they're considered the same problem. How those two got linked, gently caress if I know.
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Accretionist posted:There was a hubbub a few years ago when it turned out DoD training materials and examinations considered protests to be "low-level terrorism." Institutionally, they're considered the same problem. How those two got linked, gently caress if I know. It actually makes sense if you think of it as a spectrum of "civil unrest"
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Jarmak posted:It actually makes sense if you think of it as a spectrum of "civil unrest" Except it doesn't make sense, actually. Responding to non-violent protests with heavily armed and outfitted de facto soldiers, and deploying tear gas, rubber bullets, sonic weapons, etc.. and just generally being highly intimidating and discouraging political expression. Well, that makes sense to fall under 'terrorism'.
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Accretionist posted:There was a hubbub a few years ago when it turned out DoD training materials and examinations considered protests to be "low-level terrorism." Institutionally, they're considered the same problem. How those two got linked, gently caress if I know. Depending on how cynical you are, it's not big a jump.
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Putting terrorism and protests on a civil unrest scale might make sense. Putting protests on a terrorism scale doesn't.
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Jarmak posted:It actually makes sense if you think of it as a spectrum of "civil unrest" With tunnel vision, though. You can't think of Law & Order solely in the context of upholding the law and preserving order. You've got to think of it in a broader context which accounts liberty, privacy, rights, etc.. Otherwise, fascism and police states are logical, too. And failing to think of it in terms of everything else will also make it harder to see, and easier to forget, the difference between varying grades of civil unrest and straight up terrorism, and what we've wrapped up in how we respond to 'terrorism.' Edit: I forgot to add a last paragraph where I say I think this is what's happening. As alluring as conspiracy explanations are, I think this kind of phenomena is a conflux of bog standard military-industrial-congressional profiteering and institutional tunnel vision, because the thinking is solely in the context of upholding law and preserving order, without accounting for everything else, like civil rights or privacy. Accretionist fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Jan 30, 2015 |
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Protesting is supposed to be something you're legally allowed to do. Just because it looks like something a cynic or scared baby might mistake for a riot or civil unrest doesn't mean you get to have an M1 tank and The Expendables waiting to jump into kill mode at a moments notice. The same way you don't get to have an officer with a shotgun trained on open carry dipshits in Walmart just in case they decide to start shooting the place up. Land of the free to walk down your street with a sign yelling stuff. Home of the brave enough to not piss your jeans when that happens.
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hobotrashcanfires posted:Except it doesn't make sense, actually. Responding to non-violent protests with heavily armed and outfitted de facto soldiers, and deploying tear gas, rubber bullets, sonic weapons, etc.. and just generally being highly intimidating and discouraging political expression. The NYPD is a large, well armed force with its own chain of command, its own intelligence arm, that conducts operations outside its official jurisdiction, conducts its own foreign policy and treats the normal civilian government with barely concealed disdain. If it was in any other country it'd be called the New York Guard and a regular source of international speculation about whether it would start a coup or not. Getting machineguns to turn their armored vehicles into outright AFVs is just appropriate, really. Maybe they need berets, too.
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This is getting way off topic but a ton of protests are intentionally illegal in a minor way and part of the point is that you're committing mild illegal civil disobedience but the cops generally don't dare arrest every one of you and either arrest no one or just the worst offenders or just whoever they feel like loving with. 1000 people on an interstate chanting is a protest. One person on a highway yelling is arrested.
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mlmp08 posted:1000 people on an interstate chanting is a protest. One person on a highway yelling is arrested. And which of these two scenarios warrants an elite standing army of spartancops? E: fair enough, you did say it was off-topic Decades fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Jan 30, 2015 |
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Decades posted:And which of these two scenarios warrants an elite standing army of spartancops? I never said either did.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Home of the brave enough to not piss your jeans when that happens. 9/10 mentality right here.
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UberJew posted:The NYPD is a large, well armed force with its own chain of command, its own intelligence arm, that conducts operations outside its official jurisdiction, conducts its own foreign policy and treats the normal civilian government with barely concealed disdain. But the helmets fit their tacti-cool counter terro...protest gear so much better. Maybe lieutenants, sergeants, and captains would be vain enough for the beret, even if at the terrible cost of being the target of the cleverer protest chants.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:(for new page this is in RE to the seattle officer who is in trouble over a dubious arrest of a 70 year old black guy) Haha, just saw the arrest video for the first time. The part where she decides to declare he swung the golf club at her, after he's been on-camera the whole time, is insane. Man, the crazy thing is, with no video, that would have been the official finding of any investigation. She would have testified that he swung the golf club at her, he would have been convicted of it, and ActingRhesus would have been prosecuting him on appeal. We gotta get body cameras on all the police.
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PostNouveau posted:Man, the crazy thing is, with no video, that would have been the official finding of any investigation. She would have testified that he swung the golf club at her, he would have been convicted of it, and ActingRhesus would have been prosecuting him on appeal. We gotta get body cameras on all the police. Perhaps the Special Response Group's machineguns will have gun cameras? Two birds with one stone there. Interesting choice of name for the New NYPD anti-protester paramilitary unit there actually. The SRG seems awfully close to the SPG. After enough controversy the SPG was renamed (but not reformed in any other way) to become the Territorial Support Group.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:The gently caress This has been the general consensus from people that have heard about this, but I haven't seen any of the bootlickers respond to it on facebook.
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KomradeX posted:So the NYPD is forming a new Anti-terrorism squad that will also be used to suppress protests. Intel&Sebastian posted:The gently caress Seriously, what else can be said on it. That's scary.
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Update on that from today. Turns out even the commish realized how loving stupid that was: http://gothamist.com/2015/01/30/well_just_use_handguns.php quote:According to the Daily News, Chief of Department James O’Neill made the announcement today at a press conference after an NYPD promotions ceremony. "They will not be involved in handling protests and demonstrations. They'll have no role in protests. Their response is single-fold. They'll be doing counter-terror work. They’ll be assigned to different posts throughout the city." As far as I can tell this still leaves the door open for some lovely "low-level terrorism" distinctions, but it's good news for now. Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 00:27 on Jan 31, 2015 |
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I don't see how a dedicated unit trained to deal with protests could be a bad thing. Your regular beat cop is pretty ill-equipped to deal with crowd control.
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deratomicdog posted:I don't see how a dedicated unit trained to deal with protests could be a bad thing. Your regular beat cop is pretty ill-equipped to deal with crowd control. Their training consisting of "be scary with automatic weaponry mounted on military vehicles" isn't going to benefit anyone but those in favor of police-based suppression of open assembly.
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(female) correctional officer sprays woman's vagina with mace (article) Getting the ladies hot & bothered  seattle police maces a passing non-protestor for walking too close (direct link to GIFV) article linked earlier edit: police shoot "sovereign citizen" after he fails to show ID while attempting to surrender a stray to an animal shelter (article). this happened 20m from where I used to live. the man is obviously insane. something a bit more lighthearted to round things out, Louis CK calling in an airstrike (pic) froward fucked around with this message at 03:03 on Jan 31, 2015 |
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deratomicdog posted:I don't see how a dedicated unit trained to deal with protests could be a bad thing. No matter how they are trained?
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froward posted:Getting the ladies hot & bothered Could have been worse. Seriously what the christ NM?
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SedanChair posted:No matter how they are trained? The extent of most police riot control training consists of an hour of marching forward in a straight line followed by getting tear gassed. I think that about anything is better than that.
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New in-depth article in Rolling Stone about how the APD has developed its culture of violence: http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/when-cops-break-bad-albuquerque-police-force-gone-wild-20150129
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Accretionist posted:With tunnel vision, though. You can't think of Law & Order solely in the context of upholding the law and preserving order. You've got to think of it in a broader context which accounts liberty, privacy, rights, etc.. Otherwise, fascism and police states are logical, too. In the context of the DoD they're probably looking at it from a counterinsurgency or foreign internal defense perspective, where protests and terrorist acts are things they contend with on a escalating continuum of civil unrest. This makes sense coming from the military, this doesn't make sense coming from the NYPD. edit: actually it makes sense coming from the NYPD, but only because of the distressingly increased militarization of the police force. And by make sense I mean "doesn't surprise me", not "is correct" edit2: That actually speaks to the most distressing thing about this, while seeing "terrorism" and "protests" listed in the same category has rhetorical shock value, the more disturbing notion is that the NYPD is actually operating in a very logical way... for a military force Jarmak fucked around with this message at 06:30 on Jan 31, 2015 |
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deratomicdog posted:I don't see how a dedicated unit trained to deal with protests could be a bad thing. Your regular beat cop is pretty ill-equipped to deal with crowd control. I don't thinks its the cops job to control crowds, especially protesting crowds.
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Vahakyla posted:Who then? I;d like to hope a group of little old ladies who are deployed every so often at the more violent bits of crowded demonstrations to look sad and ask them to please stop doing that. Either that or tactical puppies that are covered in bubble wrap.
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PostNouveau posted:and ActingRhesus would have been prosecuting him on appeal. Nah. This one is so open and shut it would be given to one of our rookies. Unless the trial prosecutor or defense counsel does something colossally stupid, I don't even see what would be grounds for an appeal. It's not like you just get to say "I don't like my conviction, I want to appeal" except for all the times that's really what it boils down to
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I've heard NYPD members proudly call the NYPD the 5th largest army in the world. Anyone else remember when Ray loving Kelly was boasting that the NYPD could shoot down airplanes? These people are unhinged. In other NYPD news, remember the cop that viscously attacked a female MTA employee, he was charged yesterday with third degree assault. A small reminder assaulting a member of the MTA is (for us proles) an automatic felony punishable by up to seven years in prison. This is of course the same incident where the New York Daily News called the attacker a"Thug" before hastily chaging the article header and language used in it when it turned out it was a cop who attacked the MTA worker, who stated she feared for her life during the attack.
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ActusRhesus posted:Nah. This one is so open and shut it would be given to one of our rookies. We only use experienced attorneys to defend the more skillful police abuse.
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Vahakyla posted:Who then? Here is a crazy idea, are the crowds doing anything except being there and chanting? If not, then no one needs to do anything.
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True. But some crowds do start riots. What about those?
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Vahakyla posted:True. But some crowds do start riots. What about those? Well what do you do when someone breaks into a business? In theory the police come and arrest them, that has nothing to do with a protest, you also don't need "advanced tactics" in order to arrest an individual who is destroying property.
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