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SatansBestBuddy posted:Angry Joe released his 10 Gaming Controversies video. Watching it right now. i am more mad that vaule made this time to police their greenlight and not the flood of cruddy "games" that can be classafied as scams.
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I'm not even offended by Hatred. It just hits a point where it wraps around to being outright silly and as Cyron pointed out they really need to police things like mobile games and early access more than offensive content. I mean he has a point about games like Postal and Manhunt already being on the service. Not saying that I don't get people being offended by Hatred and whatnot but I just sorta don't really care. It's controversey for the sake of it and as soon as the game actually comes out it'll fade into obscurity pretty fast after being the top seller for a week or so.
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The last third of the video is, naturally, GamerGate. I don't think Joe "gets" what make GamerGate bad.
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SatansBestBuddy posted:Angry Joe released his 10 Gaming Controversies video. Watching it right now. He lost me at the end with the old cop-out of "meeting in the middle" by falsely equivocating "GamerGate" people and their opposition as being "equally wrong". Especially after his controversy video from last year was SO much better about the issue. I don't know why he's changed his position, but that's probably because I don't follow him. E: SatansBestBuddy posted:The last third of the video is, naturally, GamerGate. Which is kinda crazy since he was so against the bullshit the very same kind of people had pulled in past years. Does he have close friends who support it and aren't horrible people? Is it something like that causing him to be so muddled on the issue? It's boggling my mind a bit. TheMaestroso fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Jan 31, 2015 |
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TheMaestroso posted:He lost me at the end with the old cop-out of "meeting in the middle" by falsely equivocating "GamerGate" people and their opposition as being "equally wrong". I'm sorry but why is it bad to see why both points have their faults. it not like the anti gamergate folks hands are clean.
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Jan 31, 2015 02:25
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Give me a single goddamned thing the people fighting against GamerGate have done that's on par with organizing a hate mob based on the unfounded accusations of an abusive ex-boyfriend, running women out of their homes, numerous swatting incidents which got one person's dog killed, and defending child pornography under the guise of "free speech".
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E: ^ Seriously.Cyron posted:I'm sorry but why is it bad to see why both points have their faults. it not like the anti gamergate folks hands are clean. You're missing the point. Putting two positions that are not equal on equal ground is a bad starting point. Pointing out failings of both sides is a good thing, but the way Joe framed it was "both sides have bad stuff, so they're both wrong!" (and he avoided comparing those things).
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Hatred is made by NeoNazis. I don't give a flying gently caress about the violence, simply because the developers are goddamn NeoNazis. DDoS and swatting are terrible horrible things, and I'm glad that the legal system is as pissed off about it as I am. But the one thing I was waiting for was GamerGate. Angryjoe is neutral. He addresses the grievances and didn't muck up facts. The most important thing was he pointed out was he didn't approve of the harassment to women, GamerGate doing quite little in anything, and that a hashtag movement cannot achieve anything substantial and nuanced because of mob mentality. I am happy to hear that GamerGate is shrinking and dying, and happy to know that GamerGate is going to be known as the contreversy that only managed to divide gaming, harass women and failed to even achieve "ethical journalism". But seriously Joe, you cannot loving tell me that anti-GG is somehow as bad as these wastes of flesh. Annointed fucked around with this message at 02:44 on Jan 31, 2015 |
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dijon du jour posted:Wait, there's a TV show now? And it doesn't even star Noah Wyle? Actually it does have him in a few episodes. I haven't seen the movies, but I quite like the TV show. It's very low budget, but the writing's pretty good and you can tell there's actual effort being put into it with what little budget they have to work with  . I'm hoping it does well enough for a second season.Plus it has Bruce Cambell as Santa Claus.
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Thanks for mentioning it I need to go check that out.
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Annointed posted:Hatred is made by NeoNazis. I don't give a flying gently caress about the violence, simply because the developers are goddamn NeoNazis. I say their about the same on twitter in tumbler on a smaller scale, bunch of morons trying to be badasses and failing, the attacles about how "gamers are dead" are to me what sparked gamergate, oh and a few attacles comparing gamers to ISIS didn't help things. it like comparing being pissed on to poo poo on. the piss is easier to clean up but it still piss.
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Cyron posted:I say their about the same on twitter in tumbler on a smaller scale, bunch of morons trying to be badasses and failing, the attacles about how "gamers are dead" are to me what sparked gamergate, oh and a few attacles comparing gamers to ISIS didn't help things. it like comparing being pissed on to poo poo on. the piss is easier to clean up but it still piss. Can we not do this please
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No no no, you see, hurting gamers' feelings is the same thing as swatting, death threats and ongoing harassment. Totes.
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Nah, that's like comparing me tripping over my chihuahua to the kid with a couple decapitated cats buried in his backyard. Either way, an animal got hurt, right?
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On a totally unrelated note. There's a podcast that I think seems somewhat relevant to the interests of this thread called The Worst Idea of All Time. Basically two guys (with the occasional guest) watch Grownups 2 every week for a year. So yes, they watch it 52 times. They're coming to a close pretty soon but it's well worth listening to it from the very start and hearing their descent into madness from watching this Adam Sandler "comedy" so goddamn many times.
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Cyron posted:I say their about the same on twitter in tumbler on a smaller scale, bunch of morons trying to be badasses and failing, the attacles about how "gamers are dead" are to me what sparked gamergate, oh and a few attacles comparing gamers to ISIS didn't help things. it like comparing being pissed on to poo poo on. the piss is easier to clean up but it still piss. Seriously don't even. Like somehow dismissing those guys somehow removes blame from the entire movement, a movement that as many including Folding Ideas has pointed out condones many, many horrible things listed in his video and this very thread. You can't make a movement with a hashtag. You make a movement by organizing formally, and condemning those who bring shame to your movement. Oh and to those that say "but there's tons of movements that changed from places of hate  " give me one. And guess what? Those movements involved being on the streets, helping people personally, risking their livelihoods. And organizing formally. I'm sorry if I'm grouchy, I just hate this group and wish it nothing else but a swift death and slap in the face of neutrals who act like anti-GG is somehow as bad as GG. Come to think of it lately I've grown a steady dislike of neutral people.
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Scorched Spitz posted:Give me a single goddamned thing the people fighting against GamerGate have done that's on par with organizing a hate mob based on the unfounded accusations of an abusive ex-boyfriend, running women out of their homes, numerous swatting incidents which got one person's dog killed, and defending child pornography under the guise of "free speech". edit: also the idea that there's two equal sides or just two traditional sides is just dumb. Gamergate is a movement of people joined together by a dumb hashtag and organized themselves on dumb forums, there are (well... were) around a dozen internet celebs with a large presence in the movement whose every word they take as gospel. Whenever someone spoke out against some issue with Gamergate or broke some unspoken code, even if they identified as Gamergaters, they were shunned and harassed. Even if they are a "swarm" with no identified leader or rulers, they are still a self moderated group with a culture. all someone needs to do to be a "Anti-Gamergater" is to see what Gamergate is doing and think it's gross. That's it. It's one group vs. the non-apathetic part of society. BOYHOOD Automata 10 Pack fucked around with this message at 03:37 on Jan 31, 2015 |
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Mutation posted:What's this about someone's dog getting shot? I saw someone say it before, yet when I google I don't see anything except "Anti-GGers were swatted, a recent swatting killed someone's dog."
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Annointed posted:Seriously don't even. Like somehow dismissing those guys somehow removes blame from the entire movement, a movement that as many including Folding Ideas has pointed out condones many, many horrible things listed in his video and this very thread. wow. so we must pick a side or be killed. gamergate is poo poo, some anti GG is poo poo. sorry for not drinking kool aid or any side. i am done with this thread for a bit, i am going to a place where people are nicer to you for not agreeing with them like North Koria where i am sure the only thing close to gamergate is making a gate into a sport. Cyron fucked around with this message at 03:51 on Jan 31, 2015 |
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I'm sure there are some anti-gamergaters who are something stupid like TERFs or have done terrible things like doxxing or whatever. I'm not aware of anything anti-GGers have done explicitly related to Gamergate that's as bad as Gamergaters, though. And even if someone has, the sheer difference in volume and widespread acceptance of this poo poo condemns the GG side. Yes, anti-GGers can get pretty unduly assholish on microblogging sites (and I don't just mean in condemning the doxxing and swatting bullshit, where the vitriol is justified), and it's not cool even when the people I agree with are doing it, but the difference in overall degree of awfulness is so great it's really, really offensive to equate the two sides. E: Ross Scott has a channel update now that Freeman's Mind is over. Cyron posted:i am done with this thread for a bit, i am going to a place where people are nicer to you for not agreeing with them like North Koria where i am sure the only thing close to gamergate is making a gate into a sport. No... please... don't go or whatever. 
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Cyron posted:i am done with this thread for a bit, i am going to a place where people are nicer to you for not agreeing with them like North Koria where i am sure the only thing close to gamergate is making a gate into a sport. 
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Jsor posted:I'm sure there are some anti-gamergaters who are something stupid like TERFs or have done terrible things like doxxing or whatever. I'm not aware of anything anti-GGers have done explicitly related to Gamergate that's as bad as Gamergaters, though. And even if someone has, the sheer difference in volume and widespread acceptance of this poo poo condemns the GG side. Yes, anti-GGers can get pretty unduly assholish on microblogging sites (and I don't just mean in condemning the doxxing and swatting bullshit, where the vitriol is justified), and it's not cool even when the people I agree with are doing it, but the difference in overall degree of awfulness is so great it's really, really offensive to equate the two sides. yes, gamergate did some horrible loving poo poo, moreso then the anti-GG, but it don't justified their slightly less bullshit.
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i bet that what nash said after you hosed him over.
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Oh no, I didn't mean it, I thought my sarcasm was so clear.  EDIT: Cyron posted:i bet that what nash said after you hosed him over. Hahahahahaha holy poo poo. Hahahahahahaha. No sir, you sure don't have issues with women at all.
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Did you know that Boyhood took twelve years to make?
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Cyron posted:wow. so we must pick a side or be killed. gamergate is poo poo, some anti GG is poo poo. sorry for not drinking kool aid or any side. And nothing of value was lost.
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Mutation posted:Did you know that Boyhood took twelve years to make? No, I didn't. Have you seen the trailer to the movie Ishtar?
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THREE TWO THREE FOUR FOUR TWO THREE AND https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLKZtppbm_Q
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Jay O posted:Oh no, I didn't mean it, I thought my sarcasm was so clear. go put it on your twitter so your yesmen of fans can cheer you on.
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Cyron posted:go put it on your twitter so your yesmen of fans can cheer you on.
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I can't believe these men may control the fate of the Middle East!
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The worst thing about gamergate is that I'm a Stargate dork and every time I see it a small part of my brain claps like a 5 year old and smiles about traveling to other worlds through games. Way to ruin that with misogyny and general dickery, internet.
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Jay O posted:Oh no, I didn't mean it, I thought my sarcasm was so clear. Becuase not liking you mean i am sexist. didn't you make fun of the mentally ill? Funny part is, i don't hate you, i respect you far more then half of the people on TGWTG history. so sorry for being a complete dick and ruining this thread. Cyron fucked around with this message at 04:13 on Jan 31, 2015 |
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Cyron posted:Becuase not liking you mean i am sexist. didn't you make fun of the mentally ill?
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Cyron, are you LordKat's secret parachute account he uses every time he gets drunk and can't type for poo poo? You can come clean.
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Tracula posted:Cyron, are you LordKat's secret parachute account he uses every time he gets drunk and can't type for poo poo? You can come clean. Ok, you got me, i come clean, i am Jimmy Carter. Please Vote Hillary in '16. (i will, gently caress republicans.) Also we should Nuke Switzerland, loving neutrals. Cyron fucked around with this message at 04:18 on Jan 31, 2015 |
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Cyron posted:Funny part is, i don't hate you, i respect you far more then half of the people on TGWTG history. so sorry for being a complete dick and ruining this thread. Yeah. No. Don't apologize. You keep apologizing every time you shitpost and everyone piles on you, but then (and here's the key) you keep doing it. Half the time about the same three topics! Don't apologize if you're not gonna learn anything. At the very least, I think you would have learned by now that 90% of the visitors of this thread vehemently disagree with you and you're just gonna get a pile-on again. Basic pattern recognition or something. In an attempt to segue away from derailgate... Spoony posted a video on Lawful Good. I just don't like the Lawful/Chaos system. Oddly, I find it works better on the evil spectrum, because at least Devils being bound by their word to uphold contracts is interesting. The issue I have with Lawful Good characters is that they're bound to uphold a bad regime as long as the power was attained legitimately. They will take action to change it, but it will be purely internal action, which doesn't work well when your entire regime is corrupt. To me, the clearest example of Lawful/Chaotic Good is Yuri and Flynn from Tales of Vesperia. Flynn just doesn't get anything done until Yuri helps by basically being a murderer. I strongly prefer neutral good for heroes. I usually play neutral-leaning-on-lawful, but full-on lawful (or full-on chaos where you just assume every regime is suspect) sucks. I think Lawful/Chaotic good alignments are a product of their settings more than an inherent trait. Robin Hood works as chaotic good because the Prince/Sheriff is a dick that rules with an iron fist. King Arthur or Sir Gawain work as Lawful Good because their regime is just. It's a matter of context in most adventures, and I doubt a real lawful good character could in good conscience continue being lawful just because a corrupt regime attained power legitimately. I'm sure a very heavy RP-focused adventure could make changing a system from the inside engaging, but it would be difficult. Linear Zoetrope fucked around with this message at 04:28 on Jan 31, 2015 |
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TheMaestroso posted:Which is kinda crazy since he was so against the bullshit the very same kind of people had pulled in past years. Does he have close friends who support it and aren't horrible people? Is it something like that causing him to be so muddled on the issue? It's boggling my mind a bit. Wasn't there something in the Youtube controversy stuff about Totalbiscuit being his friend? Seeing someone you like personally attacked really doesn't endear you to the cause of the attackers, so I get that. It's disappointing, but understandable. Tracula posted:On a totally unrelated note. I remember trying to listen to this one, but it kept reminding me that I'd actually seen Grown Ups 2.
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Jsor posted:Yeah. No. Don't apologize. You keep apologizing every time you shitpost and everyone piles on you, but then (and here's the key) you keep doing it. Half the time about the same three topics! Don't apologize if you're not gonna learn anything. At the very least, I think you would have learned by now that 90% of the visitors of this thread vehemently disagree with you and you're just gonna get a pile-on again. Basic pattern recognition or something. 1. your right i am not sorry, i honestly don't give a gently caress if some internet jerk think i should join a twitter war, and honestly if i picked a side i will be anti-gamergate, it is doing to gamers and folks who want to talk about REAL ethics like that shadow of mordor thing in the video and not just bullshit femanist "corrupting" poo poo look like assholes for just talking about it. it bad for the image for gaming and need to be put out fast. i see pro-gamergate post on another forum and almost everything they say always have some thing about antia or zoe quinn or any femanist moment, it say it only about ethics is bullshit. 2. i always see Chaotic Good as the "true hero" since sometimes to save the world you have to break some laws of man. i would call ghandi and MLK Chaotic Good due to them causing unrest to the government even if it nonviolent. Cyron fucked around with this message at 04:34 on Jan 31, 2015 |
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Cyron posted:2. i always see Chaotic Good as the "true hero" since sometimes to save the world you have to break some laws of man. Chaotic good postulates that evil inherently stems from order and laws. It's a very anarchist/libertarian point of view. Like I said, sometimes it works from the perspective of working from within a regime that's corrupt. However, sometimes, especially in a fantasy world, he king really is goodly and the nobles really are kind. A chaotic character wouldn't be able to accept this, it wouldn't fit with their worldview. Lawful characters get the opposite problem. They're wary of disorder and think that toppling a government will only lead to suffering. They'd prefer to try to lawfully change the leader, or remove inequity. In some ways, most people are inherently lawful. This doesn't necessarily mean they'll gleefully be an executioner just because the law says so, but it does mean that their first idea to reform the lovely military is probably going to be "put in a lot of years of effort to become a general and enact the reform from within." This is why I like neutral good. In fantasy, it's often much better (and much more suited to the game mechanics TBH) to topple corrupt regimes than change them, but a lot of the time just being law-abiding will open so many doors. Especially if the DM is trying to force-feed you NPC aid from the king. Linear Zoetrope fucked around with this message at 04:47 on Jan 31, 2015 |
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