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Hbomberguy posted:Endhiran is probably one of the smartest films ever made about artificial intelligence, or about parenthood and social structures, even. Sort of a derail, I watched some indie movie called Puzzlehead a while back that made me sort of feel that way, too. It's sort of like an 'anti-Terminator' though, in that that there was a revolution before the events of the film where an anti-technology movement took over the country and the Puzzlehead robot is sort of a lone machine-man. I really got the feeling it was like the whole thing is really about growing up in an emotionally abusive household.
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JediTalentAgent posted:I really got the feeling it was like the whole thing is really about growing up in an emotionally abusive household. Pretty much. If you boil it down, Endhiran is 'just' a Freudian father/son story, but the child is given superpowers. I also really like that most of the fights are between hierarchical groups (army, cops) and can't beat the robots because they all function as individuals and need no orders, working as a collective. It mirrors the conflict between a father/creator who believes they know best, 'own' their creations, and so on, with the possibility that all can be equals.
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Hbomberguy posted:Pretty much. If you boil it down, Endhiran is 'just' a Freudian father/son story, but the child is given superpowers. I also really like that most of the fights are between hierarchical groups (army, cops) and can't beat the robots because they all function as individuals and need no orders, working as a collective. It mirrors the conflict between a father/creator who believes they know best, 'own' their creations, and so on, with the possibility that all can be equals. This is actually kind of making me want to watch the film. I know nothing about Indian films, they probably don't do them in english, do they? Stupid American education system, I only speak the one language (and badly  )
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Jan 15, 2015 23:51
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There are subtitles, its how I watched it. This was big news years ago when it was their biggest box office hit. The combat scenes are pretty loving cool.
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There might also be an english dub of it. The really famous youtube clips are from the russian dub for some reason if I recall.
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Watched the action scenes are the end of Endhiran just as a reminder. What they used for the cgi is so dated, but how they really used it and made some crazy rear end scenes is just amazing. Where is this in the new terminators?
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They may be cheap porno effects, but I'm kind of impressed how they made that shot harder for themselves than they had to. You'd think they would have waited until the arms were extended before morphing them, but they started when the arms were crossed making a lot more work.
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Jan 16, 2015 16:08
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New short trailer thing just dropped on Arnold's facebook.
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AlternateAccount posted:New short trailer thing just dropped on Arnold's facebook. This movie might just be crazy enough to work.
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The music for that trailer sucked.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4zhBQfqVCc It's a Super Bowl ad, not much of anything new.
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Senor Tron posted:This movie might just be crazy enough to work. What worked for me was Arnold chucking himself at an enemy helicopter. It's hilarious because, in a void of context, it loving works and its practical as hell. He's made of sterner poo poo than an 'ancient' helicopter, metal-wise, so why not?
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I hate to nitpick at trailers but I'm worried that they're trying to be too flashy and stylish with this new T-1000. The economy of movement that Robert Patrick brought to the performance is what made it, I don't want to see a Terminator doing acrobatic flips or dancing around in an attempt to make him more badass. Not enough evidence one way or another yet, but the way it slices its arm off and throws it doesn't feel right to me.
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Basebf555 posted:Not enough evidence one way or another yet, but the way it slices its arm off and throws it doesn't feel right to me. It looks like something a chef at Benihana would do, and it's pointless beyond looking cool. You'd think it could disconnect portions of itself at will without having to go through some goofy flourish.
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Jan 30, 2015 16:38
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Basebf555 posted:I hate to nitpick at trailers but I'm worried that they're trying to be too flashy and stylish with this new T-1000. The economy of movement that Robert Patrick brought to the performance is what made it, I don't want to see a Terminator doing acrobatic flips or dancing around in an attempt to make him more badass. Not enough evidence one way or another yet, but the way it slices its arm off and throws it doesn't feel right to me. Eh, it could work, it could still have a real economy of motion and efficiency while doing things that way, right? I do like the weird metal-muscly version, though. It does look like a natural evolution of the terminators and is actually kind of intimidating in a way the T-X or whatever was not.
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AlternateAccount posted:Eh, it could work, it could still have a real economy of motion and efficiency while doing things that way, right? If he just pulled his arm off and tossed it that would be economy of movement. Instead he slices it off and sends it tumbling in the air, which is 100% percent unnecessary and just for style.
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Jan 30, 2015 17:49
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Basebf555 posted:If he just pulled his arm off and tossed it that would be economy of movement. Instead he slices it off and sends it tumbling in the air, which is 100% percent unnecessary and just for style. On the other hand, hasta la vista baby. It's well established that the Terminators often incorporate unnecessary flourishes. 
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Senor Tron posted:On the other hand, hasta la vista baby. Touche, I gotta admit T-1000 did kinda start acting like a dick towards the end there.
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Basebf555 posted:If he just pulled his arm off and tossed it that would be economy of movement. Instead he slices it off and sends it tumbling in the air, which is 100% percent unnecessary and just for style. Everything in these movies is unnecessarily flashy and stylish, they just couldn't get the T-1000 all the way there with the CGI they had in 1991. I agree that they could definitely overdo it, but at the same time we've seen T2 already, he doesn't have to be a carbon copy of Patrick's T-1000. Just thinking aloud... If T-1000 in T2 picks any vehicle besides a giant semi truck, he would've run John down in that drain channel easily. The giant truck was 100% unnecessary and just for style. Same with the helicopter - why didn't he just crash that down into the pickup at the end? Why just hover behind them? Why didn't he ever just slither away from Arnold as a puddle instead of letting himself get thrown and punched and impaled? He might've had economy of movement, but hardly economy of approach. (None of that stuff bothers me when I watch T2, but I don't see why a quick agile gymnast-terminator couldn't be scary in its own way)
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Jan 30, 2015 18:40
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Hmmmm, I guess I just love Robert Patrick. Oh well, can't fault me for that!
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Basebf555 posted:Touche, I gotta admit T-1000 did kinda start acting like a dick towards the end there. Arnold mentions they have a learning mode, usually switched off to keep them from becoming too self aware. I wonder if that was the intent of giving him a little bit of personality there at the end.
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It's weird how everything in action films has to be Spider-man nowadays. Even Robocop and Terminator.
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Full Battle Rattle posted:they have a learning mode, usually switched off to keep them from becoming too self aware SkyNet turns that switch off? Isn't that pretty hypocritical of it?
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Electromax posted:SkyNet turns that switch off? Isn't that pretty hypocritical of it? Pretty much the point, yeah. I think in the T2 novelization they say that Skynet made one T-1000 because it's design prevented a don't-learn switch in it, and Skynet was terrified what would happen it had to fight off a learning T-1000.
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MisterBibs posted:Pretty much the point, yeah. This is actually one of the main plot points of the TV show; except there was more than one, and the one that wasn't Robert Patrick decided to alter Skynet's origin and try to change the future by making it less of a dick/create a counter-Skynet to make the future less terrible (didn't seem to work, though).
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Electromax posted:Everything in these movies is unnecessarily flashy and stylish, they just couldn't get the T-1000 all the way there with the CGI they had in 1991. I agree that they could definitely overdo it, but at the same time we've seen T2 already, he doesn't have to be a carbon copy of Patrick's T-1000.
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Sasquatch! posted:T2 has a ton of poo poo that is campy as hell ("hasta la vista / chill out dickwad", Arnie smiling when he grabs the Gatling gun, Uncle Bob, "I know now why you cry", the thumbs up) that SHOULDN'T work, but it somehow does. I don't know if just that Cameron is so good at connecting us to his characters that we're somehow okay with the campy stuff. I honestly don't know how/why it works, but it does. Arnold is famously likable.
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Best is when John Connor is calling out all the ways the T-1000 could have killed him instantly and the T-800 is just like "IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY." and that's that. I mean yeah he gives an extra sentence or two about how it has to kill people with stabbing stuff because it can't be complicated mechanical stuff but I loved that so much. 
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The climax of T2 is just absolutely perfect, so when you achieve that the audience is much more receptive to campy, saccharine lines like "I know now why you cry". Emotions are running high, you just had a major fist-pumping moment when Arnold blows away the T-1000, so the audience is primed for an emotional gut punch and you can get a way with a lot more.
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MisterBibs posted:Pretty much the point, yeah. I remember reading on the wiki that one of the comics (I think?) featured a terminator who realized what skynet had done, was appropriately horrified, and joined the human side.
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Basebf555 posted:Touche, I gotta admit T-1000 did kinda start acting like a dick towards the end there. His personality purposely changed after he got shattered and reformed and started malfunctioning (one of the "glitches" is still in the theatrical version). It's the only way they stood any chance against him; if he was as efficient as before, they would have all gotten killed.
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He doesn't actually do any running after getting shattered either, which would have probably helped him actually kill someone.
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It never occurred to me that he was glitching after getting frozen. What were his symptoms besides not running because he spends a lot of the movie just walking when he could be running anyway
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speshl guy posted:It never occurred to me that he was glitching after getting frozen. What were his symptoms besides not running because he spends a lot of the movie just walking when he could be running anyway In the extended version of the film he has trouble controlling his morphing. The subplot was cut out in editing, so it's not surprising you didn't pick up on it.
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What kind of a soulless dick calls this campy?
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Lurdiak posted:In the extended version of the film he has trouble controlling his morphing. The subplot was cut out in editing, so it's not surprising you didn't pick up on it. The only thing left in the theatrical version is a quick ripple going upwards when hes stalking them after being refrozen. At the time, I figured it was just a "Ok you just reformed, better to a quick once-over to make sure everything is okay" effect going on.
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speshl guy posted:It never occurred to me that he was glitching after getting frozen. What were his symptoms besides not running because he spends a lot of the movie just walking when he could be running anyway He starts to inadvertently morph into things he's in contact with. His feet look like a stretched out floor grating for a bit, his hand takes on the texture of, I think, a railing. It's been a while since I saw the extended version but I think that's how they spot the real Sarah from the T-1000, her feet have gone all floory.
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Rhyno posted:What kind of a soulless dick calls this campy? Campy is not in itself a negative qualifier to movies. Campiness can be experienced with the same gravitas of a dramatic scene there is no shame in admitting this. I personally always felt that those final moments where the terminator says "i know now why you cry" and the following termination scene worked because of the music and the way it took on melancholic tones.
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Sasquatch! posted:T2 has a ton of poo poo that is campy as hell ("hasta la vista / chill out dickwad", Arnie smiling when he grabs the Gatling gun, Uncle Bob, "I know now why you cry", the thumbs up) that SHOULDN'T work, but it somehow does. I don't know if just that Cameron is so good at connecting us to his characters that we're somehow okay with the campy stuff. I honestly don't know how/why it works, but it does. This is, I think, a big strength of both Cameron and Spielberg. Their styles allow them to make campy work in their movies where it fails for other directors. For instance, True Lies is campy as gently caress but you forgive it because of the way it was directed. And while Arnold plays a big role in that, he's played campy in lots of other movies and fallen flat on his face.
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Skeesix posted:This is, I think, a big strength of both Cameron and Spielberg. Their styles allow them to make campy work in their movies where it fails for other directors. For instance, True Lies is campy as gently caress but you forgive it because of the way it was directed. And while Arnold plays a big role in that, he's played campy in lots of other movies and fallen flat on his face. I wasn't aware True Lies was considered good.
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