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Basically, they support the highest level of government that doesn't tell them that they can't mistreat minorities.
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Fellatio del Toro posted:He's just really bad at tracing: Here's the trailer still he used for the other panel: 
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Begemot posted:REA Just ask Boston. 
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JT Jag posted:Both desegregation and pre-civil war nullification, back before Abraham Lincoln kicked the South's asses and asserted the primacy of the Federal Government, but yeah. See, the State's Rights crowd loves bringing up the Nullification Crisis as proof that the Civil War wasn't really about slavery and such, but it's worth remembering that the crisis happened in 1832, a full generation before the Civil War. By the 1850s, opinion in the South had largely shifted to being against states rights. When it came to the question of whether new states should be "Free" or "Slave" states, they favored arbitrary geographical boundaries (that would have made the whole Southwest into slave states) rather than letting the new states decide for themselves. Most glaringly, they objected stridently to Northern attempts to nullify the Fugitive Slave Act and embraced the same logic of federal supremacy that Jackson used during the Crisis. Lincoln opposed the FSA, so his victory in the election suggested that he'd leave the question of its enforcement to the states. This was intolerable to the Southern aristocracy (who had only recently ceased to dominate the federal government), so they tried to secede and created a new federal government that, in many ways, had considerably less respect for state's rights than the USA. So the question of "state's right's" is a whole hell of a lot murkier than the neo-confederates would have you believe.
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Duckbag posted:See, the State's Rights crowd loves bringing up the Nullification Crisis as proof that the Civil War wasn't really about slavery and such, but it's worth remembering that the crisis happened in 1832, a full generation before the Civil War. By the 1850s, opinion in the South had largely shifted to being against states rights. When it came to the question of whether new states should be "Free" or "Slave" states, they favored arbitrary geographical boundaries (that would have made the whole Southwest into slave states) rather than letting the new states decide for themselves. Most glaringly, they objected stridently to Northern attempts to nullify the Fugitive Slave Act and embraced the same logic of federal supremacy that Jackson used during the Crisis. Lincoln opposed the FSA, so his victory in the election suggested that he'd leave the question of its enforcement to the states. This was intolerable to the Southern aristocracy (who had only recently ceased to dominate the federal government), so they tried to secede and created a new federal government that, in many ways, had considerably less respect for state's rights than the USA. So the question of "state's right's" is a whole hell of a lot murkier than the neo-confederates would have you believe. And of course, the whole "states don't have the right to choose against slavery" thing then got codified into the CSA constitution.
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I know almost nothing about Mississippi politics. Assuming this isn't a snide joke (it's probably a snide joke), is this really a thing? I mean, if they are building two museums, is it really separate but equal, or is it a recognition that the civil rights movement was so important it deserves it's own museum? Again, 90% certain it's just a joke! but really curious if it's an actual issue...
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Dr.Zeppelin posted:And of course, the whole "states don't have the right to choose against slavery" thing then got codified into the CSA constitutions. As much as the thread hates JJ, he did a nice (if really ugly) writeup of the differences between the CSA and US Constitution. Relevant part of his summary quote:Overall, the CSA constitution does not radically alter the federal system that was set up under the United States constitution. It is thus very debatable as to whether the CSA was a significantly more pro-"states' rights" country (as supporters claim) in any meaningful sense. At least three states rights are explicitly taken away- the freedom of states to grant voting rights to non-citizens, the freedom of states to outlaw slavery within their borders, and the freedom of states to trade freely with each other.
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I know we talked about that terrible Muir a lot, but can someone give us the summary of what the roles of those "five jihadi generals" were that got traded for Bergdahl?
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Feb 1, 2015 06:03
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I remember one was a cop.
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thefive? thefire? http://archives.slc.edu/exhibits/mccarthyism/img/lg/AcademicFreedom_AmericanLegionMagazine.jpg
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Oh gently caress you Tinsley I thought you were gonna go for a couple more "National Conversation" comics but instead you resurrected something you've previously run into the ground!
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Darkman Fanpage posted:Oh gently caress you Tinsley I thought you were gonna go for a couple more "National Conversation" comics but instead you resurrected something you've previously run into the ground! As to why Tinsley does it, it is because he is bad at his job.
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pwn posted:Used to be, Sunday strips had a longer lead time than dailies, Still is today. Whatever the deadlines for the dailies, multiply twice for the Sundays.
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Feb 1, 2015 07:51
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Truly the most obnoxious thing about Tinsley is that he doesn't just make one stupid, factually incorrect, petty comic about whatever topic annoyed him that day, he makes anywhere from 14 to 60 of them.
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I've come to believe that Tinsley doesn't know he's got a wait period on his strips, so he stays mad until he sees that he's actually said something on a topic, and occasionally anger flares up and shifts. It's probably the hangovers tbh.
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  So should we report him to the Secret Service? I'd say he's long overdue for a visit, but on the other hand he seems to want to be a martyr and we'd just be giving him what he wants. On the other, other hand, he doesn't seem to fully grasp that being a martyr means actually suffering.
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Feb 1, 2015 08:32
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colonel_korn posted:Facebook pages: (you don't need to friend them or anything, as long as you're logged in to your own account you can see them) It's a real comfort that most of them only have a few hundred followers and none of them break 1,500. 
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Feb 1, 2015 08:34
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Please do not report the sad old man to the Secret Service
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Pththya-lyi posted:
Citizen Secret Service
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Being reported to the Secret Service would be the greatest thing that's ever happened to Muir in his whole life.
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Feb 1, 2015 09:20
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Please no one ever report Chris to the secret service. Do not feed the trolls
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Feb 1, 2015 10:00
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If Muir plans his assassination attempt the same way he plans his storylines, Obama has nothing to fear.
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Ah. continuing the trend of anti-abortion-rights folks showing women with giant baby bellies instead of the realistic "barely present" belly at the time the vast majority of abortions take place.
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Met posted:It's a real comfort that most of them only have a few hundred followers and none of them break 1,500.  Town Hero
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Bennett also has a Facebook profile which he updates with his latest toons, plus his 'fanmail ' from time to time.
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Exclamation Marx posted:Please do not report the sad old man to the Secret Service
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Pththya-lyi posted:So should we report him to the Secret Service? I'd say he's long overdue for a visit, but on the other hand he seems to want to be a martyr and we'd just be giving him what he wants. On the other, other hand, he doesn't seem to fully grasp that being a martyr means actually suffering. The secret service probably have enough work to do for their real jobs, and don't need us wasting their time by reporting the impotent fantasies of some Internet nobody GIS-tracer with a leaky roof and an imaginary hot wife. It's hard to even imagine a less credible worry than Muiry-Sue's assassination-wank.
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I really cannot believe that you all think the guy who sits in a dilapidated house all day cruising GIS for images to trace is any kind of a threat to one of the most well-protected people in the world. poo poo, it'd be a challenge for him to afford a trip to DC. If anything, I'd be more worried about him inspiring his wackjob readers to do something terrible. Muir's a fringe rear end in a top hat, sure, but it takes a special kind of person to think his trash is not only good, but worth spending money on.
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Feb 1, 2015 10:59
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If Muir got a visit from the secret service it'd make his loving day Let's not pay him any heed unless we hear him trying to scrounge up reader donations for plane fare for a trip to Washington for "patriotic reasons"
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Pththya-lyi posted:Just want to point out that Vilerat and the other Benghazi victims are Zed's "brothers" now. Every large family has that one moronic fucker who nobody wants to believe is related to the rest of them. Rorus: the SS would be visiting Muir because he was encouraging others, not because they felt he had plans himself. There's also a non-zero chance they're already watching his Facebook feed to see who he - or more likely, one of his pet fuckwits - is associating with.
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That reminds me: IIRC it's been about 9 months since Muir predicted that a new American Civil War would happen "within the next year." He must be so disappointed that nothing's really happened on that front. Edit: Rorus Raz posted:If anything, I'd be more worried about him inspiring his wackjob readers to do something terrible. Muir's a fringe rear end in a top hat, sure, but it takes a special kind of person to think his trash is not only good, but worth spending money on.
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Storysmith posted:Ah. continuing the trend of anti-abortion-rights folks showing women with giant baby bellies instead of the realistic "barely present" belly at the time the vast majority of abortions take place. And depicting women as interchangable vessels whose rghts don't need to factor in.
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Pththya-lyi posted:That's the main reason I think it would be a good idea to report him. There's a good chance they're already watching.
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They must have hired dozens or hundreds of interns just to browse through the death threats posted publicly on forums and social media, in the last 7 years.
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Probably a better way to gently caress with Muir would be by contacting the people/organizations that own the images he vectorizes and letting them know he's violating their copyright. At least a few of his victims are bound to raise a stink about it, and it's more likely to ruin his credibility as an artist amongst his readers. Thanks for being my sounding board, by the way. Much as I want to see this hateful old man be punished, it's good for me to get other people's perspective rather than charging forward into a stupid course of action.
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Pththya-lyi posted:Probably a better way to gently caress with Muir would be by contacting the people/organizations that own the images he vectorizes and letting them know he's violating their copyright. At least a few of his victims are bound to raise a stink about it, and it's more likely to ruin his credibility as an artist amongst his readers.
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Met posted:It's a real comfort that most of them only have a few hundred followers and none of them break 1,500. Listen, being raped by your grandfather at the age of eleven is horrible, but you need to carry the baby to term. Hey, it will be like having a doll! Pretty much the Chilean president response to rape http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/10/chilean-president-praises-raped-pregnancy
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On the other hand, didn't the Electronic Tigers guy get a visit from the Secret Service over the comic he did where someone killed Obama in a dream? Sure his art is better, but is Muir really that much less credible than Electronic Tigers? Besides, the worry isn't that Muir himself will do something, it's that calling for the killing of the President is serious. I mean, did literally anyone think Ramirez would try to kill Bush? But he still got a call when he drew a picture of Bush getting executed even though with context it was clearly meant to just be a reference to another photo and not a serious actionable threat. Sure he's a lot more mainstream, but my point was that the Secret Service do still care about threats made by sources who seemingly have no capacity to personally attempt any real attack.
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If the SS managed to find out about the magic water pyramid scheme cartoonist I think they can handle Chris Muir without our help
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