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Vincent posted:Was Taters posted this on her tumblr. It's from The Wrenchies by Farel Dalrymple. I was going to read The Wrenchies but I don't think I should read The Wrenchies. Ow, my guts.
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Found this on imugur a few minutes ago, thought some people here might appreciate it:         Apparently from a series called Common Grounds.
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Jan 30, 2015 20:29
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I have to say, I liked those pages W.T.Fits. Up until the end it was fairly smaltzy but good. That twist at the end, that was pretty great. And at the same time, pretty upbeat.
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Jan 30, 2015 21:43
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That's pretty sweet.
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Jan 30, 2015 22:56
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W.T. Fits posted:Apparently from a series called Common Grounds. I wouldn't call that volume amazing, but there are definitely great moments. (It's a series of stories that take place in and around a coffee shop called Common Grounds that is designated neutral ground by heroes and villains.)
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Jan 30, 2015 23:20
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What's interesting about it too is how much we've codified internally about super heroes. Of course the blond, handsome guy, suit-wearing guy with an ambiguous name is going to be the hero. Of course the homeless bum with 'black' in his name is going to be the villain (not black in the racial sense but more in how it's considered foreboding). All these little rules and assumptions we've absorbed subconsciously.
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Jan 31, 2015 06:19
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Scaramouche posted:What's interesting about it too is how much we've codified internally about super heroes. Of course the blond, handsome guy, suit-wearing guy with an ambiguous name is going to be the hero. Of course the homeless bum with 'black' in his name is going to be the villain (not black in the racial sense but more in how it's considered foreboding). All these little rules and assumptions we've absorbed subconsciously.
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Jan 31, 2015 06:27
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Scaramouche posted:What's interesting about it too is how much we've codified internally about super heroes. Of course the blond, handsome guy, suit-wearing guy with an ambiguous name is going to be the hero. Of course the homeless bum with 'black' in his name is going to be the villain (not black in the racial sense but more in how it's considered foreboding). All these little rules and assumptions we've absorbed subconsciously. Blackwatch also said a superhero 'attacked' him and he fought back, so they were cheating a little there.
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Jan 31, 2015 07:02
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Pureauthor posted:Blackwatch also said a superhero 'attacked' him and he fought back, so they were cheating a little there. Superheroes attack each other all the time, usually just prior to teaming up.
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Jan 31, 2015 07:13
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That was excellent.
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Jan 31, 2015 07:36
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redbackground posted:Instantly I remember a cool Thundercats episode which used similar tropes to subvert them against the viewer. Same thing with an episode of Megas XLR where they get involved with the internal power struggles of a race of large sentient robots. Peter Cullen voiced the bad guy and Frank Welker was the good guy. Subverting expectations, indeed.
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Jan 31, 2015 19:53
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How often do we see that, though: a superhero's career ending in significant prison time, because they killed someone?
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Jan 31, 2015 22:23
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qntm posted:How often do we see that, though: a superhero's career ending in significant prison time, because they killed someone? How often do we see superheroes kill someone? You may want to look up Christos Gage's miniseries Absolution. It's about a legally sanctioned superhero who goes full Rorschach.
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Feb 1, 2015 00:11
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funny thing: Common Grounds was written by Troy Hickman, who later went on to play the game City of Heroes, and then, once he revealed who he was, got to write a couple of the CoH comic books, when those were a thing.
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Feb 1, 2015 02:28
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Jedit posted:How often do we see superheroes kill someone? Wolverine should really be in jail.
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Yeah, the fact that any heroes give the Punisher poo poo while giving Wolverine a pass makes them all giant hypocrites.
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Feb 1, 2015 04:25
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The difference is that Wolverine doesn't go out of his way to try and eliminate street level criminals on a daily basis. Wolverine finds him in situations where he has to kill, usually super vilians or at least members of groups like Hydra. Killing criminals is the Punisher's life.
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Wolverine and Punisher are pretty distinct in their philosophies and views of killing, and I think they really shouldn't get along (another thing Rucka hosed up), but legally speaking, Wolverine is still a mass murderer.
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Lurdiak posted:Wolverine and Punisher are pretty distinct in their philosophies and views of killing, and I think they really shouldn't get along (another thing Rucka hosed up), but legally speaking, Wolverine is still a mass murderer. Wolverine is the CIA spook torching Banana Farm protestors because we need the region to be stable. Castle is the bugfuck PTSD former soldier who gets denied visitation rights to his kids and decides to Columbine the lawyers.
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FilthyImp posted:Wolverine is the CIA spook torching Banana Farm protestors because we need the region to be stable. Basically, Wolverine is The Comedian and Punisher is Rorschach, except not quite so nuts— nearly, though.
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W.T. Fits posted:Found this on imugur a few minutes ago, thought some people here might appreciate it: Astro City-esque, and I mean that in the best way. Goddamn.
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Feb 2, 2015 19:18
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Astro City-esque, and I mean that in the best way. Goddamn. Before I saw where it was from, I thought it was from one of the latest issues of Astro City (I haven't read any of the Vertigo stuff yet).
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Feb 2, 2015 19:58
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WickedHate posted:The difference is that Wolverine doesn't go out of his way to try and eliminate street level criminals on a daily basis. Wolverine finds him in situations where he has to kill, usually super vilians or at least members of groups like Hydra. Killing criminals is the Punisher's life. Wolverine has no excuse for killing 99.99% of the time. He's almost unkillable. He could win most of those fights without even pulling out his claws.
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To be fair to the canucklehead, that's a relatively recent development. Anyone he killed in the early 90s and prior could be qualified as self defense.
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Lurdiak posted:To be fair to the canucklehead, that's a relatively recent development. Anyone he killed in the early 90s and prior could be qualified as self defense. I seem to remember discussing Logan's issues with a friend, specifically being a hero while having killed people. Looking over how he's written and his general personality traits a strong case could be made for him suffering from a profound case of PTSD. At the best of times he tends to be withdrawn, at worst, irritable, paranoid, jumpy, and is constantly abusing alcohol (as well as chainsmoking.) And after a quick Goggle search it seems we weren't the only ones exploring that particular topic either.
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His "berserker animal rage" could be very well argued to be a form of PTSD. Several comics make a distinction between him killing in cold blood and killing while in a rage. He actually has some trouble with the former, because he remembers the details. I'd also argue that unlike Punisher, Logan knows exactly what he is. Before his recent attempts at being a leader and a teacher, he constantly refused to be seen as a role model or hero. Punisher thinks he's on a mission that must be done, Logan knows what he did was his own decision, even if his back was against the wall.
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Lars Blitzer posted:I seem to remember discussing Logan's issues with a friend, specifically being a hero while having killed people. Looking over how he's written and his general personality traits a strong case could be made for him suffering from a profound case of PTSD. At the best of times he tends to be withdrawn, at worst, irritable, paranoid, jumpy, and is constantly abusing alcohol (as well as chainsmoking.) Is it possible to abuse alcohol if you metabolize it too quickly for it to get you drunk? Pretty much the same with smoking. At worst, he's a bad role model.
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CzarChasm posted:Is it possible to abuse alcohol if you metabolize it too quickly for it to get you drunk? Pretty much the same with smoking. I'm pretty positive he can get drunk, ' cause I've seen plenty of pictures in the funny panels thread/around the internet of him inebriated, he just has to drink in much higher quantities then most humans to get that way.
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TwoPair posted:I'm pretty positive he can get drunk, ' cause I've seen plenty of pictures in the funny panels thread/around the internet of him inebriated, he just has to drink in much higher quantities then most humans to get that way. Most of those are from before his healing factor power creep.
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A Real Horse posted:Well yeah, but when you are talking with some people (my comic reading friends) about it they are so set in "LOL INVINCIBLE NO FUN" that it's very frustrating. Shame, since they are missing out on some excellent comics. I have no idea why Superman is basically the only character I can think of off the top of my head in the sort of fiction we're talking about that has this sort of criticism applied to them constantly. Half the people I know who say this crap are into stuff like Dragon Ball Z, where a superpowered monkey man rises from the dead constantly and could punch out God.
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Lightning Lord posted:I have no idea why Superman is basically the only character I can think of off the top of my head in the sort of fiction we're talking about that has this sort of criticism applied to them constantly. Half the people I know who say this crap are into stuff like Dragon Ball Z, where a superpowered monkey man rises from the dead constantly and could punch out God. It's all about context. DBZ is about the power-creep, every new story-line introduces a new villain that is more powerful than the heroes and the story is how they are gonna defeat him and what brand new power are they gonna reach. That's the implicit progression of the characters and the readers know/want that. Superman is so ingrained in the public consciousness as being the most powerful being on earth that him being so looks boring. He's also seen as "the classic" superhero and sometimes that also makes him seen boring.
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Also he's been the victim of a lot of boring writing. A whole lot of boring writing.
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At least he has the best Jerk covers!
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I think if Superman didn't have to exist in the same universe as every other DC character, his power level wouldn't be seen as an issue. But then sometimes people go "you know what, The Joker should fight Superman!" and it all kind of falls apart. Every drat one of Batman's problems could be solved by Superman in 10 seconds and the readers know it. Hell, try to imagine if Nolan's Batman films existed in a universe where Superman exists. Yes, there are overpowered Marvel characters, but Marvel was always careful to give them huge limitations or make them morally ambiguous, up until Hickman stopped caring. Like it or not, Superman really is comically overpowered and having him be on a team with like, Cyborg or Batman just makes no sense unless you write him as a complete moron or massively nerf his powers. Lurdiak fucked around with this message at 04:04 on Feb 4, 2015 |
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Pureauthor posted:Blackwatch also said a superhero 'attacked' him and he fought back, so they were cheating a little there. Well, he wasn't a hero for very long. Maybe he decided to turn to crime and that was his first caper, backstabbing Blackwatch?
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Nah, they cover that in the last issue. It was a brawl between superheroes and he accidentally offed the kid. Went to jail, etc.
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Lurdiak posted:His "berserker animal rage" could be very well argued to be a form of PTSD. Several comics make a distinction between him killing in cold blood and killing while in a rage. He actually has some trouble with the former, because he remembers the details. I think Punisher knows what he is as well, at least in MAX. I'm sure I've seen him thinking that if he ever won his war on organised crime he'd have to find another war.
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Lurdiak posted:I think if Superman didn't have to exist in the same universe as every other DC character, his power level wouldn't be seen as an issue. But then sometimes people go "you know what, The Joker should fight Superman!" and it all kind of falls apart. Superman could solve all of Batman's problems the same way the US Army could solve all of New York's problems. The first year of Injustice is pretty much about this, Peace on Earth is another one, so's Kingdom Come, Red Son, etc. I guess I can't really blame people for having this perspective since there's a lot of bland/lovely regular Supes comics out there, but at the same time there's people who go "why doesn't Superman just go clean up Gotham in ten seconds?" not because they're probing the verisimilitude of the setting but just because Superman's such a lame cheesy boyscout maaaan.
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