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If it could be done it would be done, it isn't done so it isn't worth doing.
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InitialDave posted:A Fiesta ST is what, 2700lbs, 200bhp, $22k? A little under the power target, but also under the weight and price target, fair balance to me. Mange Mite posted:Cue internet benchracers getting mad over "only" 200hp I know it's not the point of this conversation, and I'm not trying to bench race, but stock Fiestas on the Dyno really are putting down impressive numbers. It makes the dollar to power/weight ratio even better. 
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Feb 2, 2015 23:04
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BoostCreep posted:I know it's not the point of this conversation, and I'm not trying to bench race, but stock Fiestas on the Dyno really are putting down impressive numbers. It makes the dollar to power/weight ratio even better. The 500 Abarth also puts down some really decent numbers from the factory. They, like the ST, are likely under-reported. A $500 ecu mode will have an abarth making somewhere around 230-240hp at the crank all day long. Wheeeeeeee. Stock Abarth dyno run: 
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Feb 2, 2015 23:10
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You can get a 387hp 5.0 reg cab/short box with a 3.73 locker for 25 grand here. do a little weight reduction, remove bumpers, box, passenger seat, stereo and such, you should be able to get close to 3000lbs.you could probably also sell some of that stuff to get your price down lower. assuming you sell that stuff for a grand, and the US dollar is currently 1.26, so 24 grand canadian, that's $19k USD problem solved. Want a quick little car? drive to canada and buy a truck. alternatively, the nissan micra is 109hp, 2300lbs, and $9,998 canadian, that's $7950 USD. buy 3 of them for $24 grand, and put all the engines into one. Powershift fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Feb 2, 2015 |
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Feb 2, 2015 23:18
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KakerMix posted:If it could be done it would be done, it isn't done so it isn't worth doing. It almost certainly could be done. There's just not a good business case for it so no company is willing to build it. Car enthusiasts are big with their demands and tight with their wallets.
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Feb 2, 2015 23:35
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Boss posted:It almost certainly could be done. There's just not a good business case for it so no company is willing to build it.
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Feb 2, 2015 23:44
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*Asks for a simpler, lighter version of a car already in production, called unreasonable* Whats really funny is imagine if the WRX didn't exist and the BRZ was all we had. Then I would be sitting here say, "I wish they would make it awd and a turbo. They should be able to sell it for about $600 more, that's all it should cost." Do you hear how crazy THAT sounds? I can only imagine the names and things people would be saying to me. Except oh, that's reality in this case.
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Feb 3, 2015 00:42
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Why simpler, lighter versions as cheaper models when they can sell simpler, lighter versions as more expensive hardcore models.
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Feb 3, 2015 00:54
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Coredump posted:*Asks for a simpler, lighter version of a car already in production, called unreasonable* And you'd be a complete moron for thinking that you could add AWD and a turbo for $600.
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Feb 3, 2015 00:57
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eyebeem posted:And you'd be a complete moron for thinking that you could add AWD and a turbo for $600.
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Feb 3, 2015 01:02
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The perfect enthusiast car is never going to happen, just suck it up and swap a fast motor into a miata/e30/??? while you still can.
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Feb 3, 2015 01:08
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InitialDave posted:I think his point is that the AWD, turbo WRX costs about $600 more than the 2WD, NA BRZ does. I R dum? Jesus, did I even read his post. Where's the delete button?
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Feb 3, 2015 01:09
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GM as a company has been pretty receptive to the enthusiast crowd and has probably brought to fruition the most number of "cars enthusiasts are clamoring for" out of any of the car makers. I guess all the money they saved on the Silverado and Malibu redesigns had to go somewhere. 
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Feb 3, 2015 01:21
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Throatwarbler posted:GM as a company has been pretty receptive to the enthusiast crowd and has probably brought to fruition the most number of "cars enthusiasts are clamoring for" out of any of the car makers. I guess all the money they saved on the Silverado and Malibu redesigns had to go somewhere. And they still don't sell. Look at SS sales for example. Enthusiasts are killing "cars enthusiasts are clamoring for" because enthusiasts aren't buying them.
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Feb 3, 2015 01:37
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Mariguana posted:And they still don't sell. Look at SS sales for example. I don't remember anybody asking for a $45k chevy. That's $11,000 more than the Camaro SS. anybody ready to spend 45k on a sport sedan could already buy an S4 or 335i m-sport, anybody looking for a 4 door muscle car can spend 30 grand on a charger R/T.
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Feb 3, 2015 01:47
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Throatwarbler posted:GM as a company has been pretty receptive to the enthusiast crowd and has probably brought to fruition the most number of "cars enthusiasts are clamoring for" out of any of the car makers. I guess all the money they saved on the Silverado and Malibu redesigns had to go somewhere. I guess this depends on what "cars enthusiasts are clamoring for". Because if it's more power for more $$ then yea GM is doing great (and so is everyone else). If it's lighter and more nimble cars then not so much.
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Feb 3, 2015 02:46
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InitialDave posted:I think his point is that the AWD, turbo WRX costs about $600 more than the 2WD, NA BRZ does. Powershift posted:I don't remember anybody asking for a $45k chevy. ilkhan fucked around with this message at 02:50 on Feb 3, 2015 |
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Feb 3, 2015 02:46
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Mariguana posted:And they still don't sell. Look at SS sales for example. So called, enthusiasts will be the death of fun cars. They intentionally have unrealistic expectations so that they don't feel guilty for not buying a car targeted squarely at them. Somebody here seriously just said that the WRX would be the perfect car if only it were RWD, as if that really matters. We live in the golden age of fun cars and most of the demographic for them will never be satisfied because they keep moving the goal posts. Frankly, if you can't find a car that you'd enjoy for under $30k, then you'll never be happy and should save yourself the frustration and stop caring about cars.
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Feb 3, 2015 02:48
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Mariguana posted:And they still don't sell. Look at SS sales for example. Speaking of the SS you can get the civilian Chevrolet Caprice for CHEAP. I've seen 2012's going for $25k. No cop equipment on them.
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Feb 3, 2015 03:07
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InitialDave posted:I think his point is that the AWD, turbo WRX costs about $600 more than the 2WD, NA BRZ does. It's because he doesn't understand what "economies of scale" means
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Feb 3, 2015 03:10
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Coredump posted:Speaking of the SS you can get the civilian Chevrolet Caprice for CHEAP. I've seen 2012's going for $25k. No cop equipment on them. A Charger R/T is $30k, let's suppose a cop Charger V8 is about the same price, and that a cop Caprice since it competes squarely with the cop Charger is probably also similarly priced, the only depreciating by $5k after 3 years (yes 2012 was three years ago) of being puked in by methheads doesn't sound very cheap to me at all.
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Feb 3, 2015 03:13
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ilkhan posted:Theres a hell of a lot more differences between the WRX and the BRZ than just those 3 things (drive wheels / turbo / price). It has a stick now. 
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Feb 3, 2015 03:15
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El Scotch posted:It has a stick now. Doesn't fix the rest of what is wrong with it.
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Feb 3, 2015 03:25
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BoostCreep posted:I know it's not the point of this conversation, and I'm not trying to bench race, but stock Fiestas on the Dyno really are putting down impressive numbers. It makes the dollar to power/weight ratio even better. It's insane what having that micro-turbo does for spool time and low-end torque. When my mom got her FiST I figured it would be like my MSP but with better power, but driving it is completely different; the power's all down low (as you can see here), whereas my car you pretty much shift at redline for every gear. I kind of prefer the feel of mine (more traditional, feels more like an N/A car), but it's undeniable the the Ford's a shitload faster.
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Feb 3, 2015 03:29
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It's February 3rd somewhere. http://www.evo.co.uk/ford/focus-rs/15142/ford-focus-rs-2015-revealed AWD, but only 250hp for some reason. looks like the widebody render stuff was bullshit too.
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Powershift posted:It's February 3rd somewhere. If that's accurate it's waaaaaay below what everyone seemed to be predicting.
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Feb 3, 2015 04:27
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It also makes absolutely no sense. why put the 2.3 in to be less powerful than the 2.0
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It's a strange thing for me to make up, but I'm not going to believe it till it comes from the horse's mouth.
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Feb 3, 2015 04:31
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Mange Mite posted:It's because he doesn't understand what "economies of scale" means Oh shut up. You don't get to tell me what I don't understand. Edit: hey Mange, when Mazda was able to turbo the Miata for a grand where was your economies of scale there? Coredump fucked around with this message at 04:57 on Feb 3, 2015 |
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Edit: left tab open, replied to something a page back. Welp.
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Feb 3, 2015 04:34
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250 is like 20 more than the ST, hopefully this is incorrect.
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Brz and Fr-s sales started off strong but have really slowed down in the last few months. People have been asking for a more powerful model and Toyota/Subaru are ignoring them. Toyota has been like "we're not going to sell a turbo model because the car we have now is not selling more" and people are responding with "the car you're selling now is not selling better because we want one with a turbo."
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Feb 3, 2015 04:38
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who cares about the FRS not having enough power. let's talk about the focus RS not having enough power
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Feb 3, 2015 04:43
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None of that poo poo matters because I'm a poor who can't afford new cars. Closest I've gotten to brand new is an 8 year old car. 
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Feb 3, 2015 04:44
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Rhyno posted:250 is like 20 more than the ST, hopefully this is incorrect. It's actually 2 less.
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Feb 3, 2015 04:46
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I wonder what the AWD system is like. Maybe it'll put Subaru back on the run.
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Feb 3, 2015 04:46
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Q_res posted:It's actually 2 less. Jesus Christ. That has to be a typo then.
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Feb 3, 2015 04:49
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Seat Safety Switch posted:I wonder what the AWD system is like. Maybe it'll put Subaru back on the run. quote:The Focus gets brake-operated torque vectoring, with drive being sent to all four wheels. Up to 70 per cent of power can be sent to the rear wheels, where power can be split to each side by as much as 100 per cent. That equates to as much as 224bhp being sent to one wheel.
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Rhyno posted:Jesus Christ. That has to be a typo then. Well the first paragraph says "With an anticipated 50bhp more than its predecessor and four-wheel drive", so that would be 350hp, right?
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Rhyno posted:250 is like 20 more than the ST, hopefully this is incorrect. What? The ST makes 252 stock on premium (and 270 torque).
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