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Wait..what? Ginyu isn't killed by Vegeta in the manga.
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Feb 3, 2015 01:14
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facebook jihad posted:Wait..what? Ginyu isn't killed by Vegeta in the manga. Goku even appeals to Vegeta's sense of sadism by pointing out becoming a frog is basically worse than death.
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Feb 3, 2015 01:25
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:Goku even appeals to Vegeta's sense of sadism by pointing out becoming a frog is basically worse than death. Did Tumblr ever call Goku out for this?
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Feb 3, 2015 01:29
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Raxivace posted:Did Tumblr ever call Goku out for this? I dunno but that convincing Vegeta is some funny poo poo.
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Feb 3, 2015 01:33
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Raxivace posted:Did Tumblr ever call Goku out for this? What do you mean? I mean turning into a frog for the rest of your days is pretty poo poo if you were once the most respected general in a galactic space army that ruled most of the cosmos.
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Feb 3, 2015 01:46
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Couldn't Frogyu just switch to another body anyway?
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Feb 3, 2015 01:48
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WickedHate posted:Couldn't Frogyu just switch to another body anyway? No, he has to yell out the attack name to do it and a frog can't.
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Feb 3, 2015 01:50
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Yeah, didn't Bulma make some really dumb frog-to-human speech converter and that's how Ginyu switched in the filler?
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Feb 3, 2015 01:52
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^ Yeah I think that happened. Bulma got to do so much crazy poo poo in the filler.ImpAtom posted:No, he has to yell out the attack name to do it and a frog can't. It's hard to know the nature of Ginyu, or of frogness. Also he probably got blew up with Namek anyway because what does a dragon care about a dumb frog?
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Feb 3, 2015 01:52
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:^ Yeah I think that happened. Bulma got to do so much crazy poo poo in the filler.
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Feb 3, 2015 01:59
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Endorph posted:the anime has him coming back to earth by slipping into their spaceship as they escape. he lives in the capsule corp pond for the rest of the series and pops up as a cameo in a few shots. One of my friends always wanted GT to somehow involve Ginyu switching bodies with someone and wreaking havoc.
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Feb 3, 2015 02:04
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Xad posted:One of my friends always wanted GT to somehow involve Ginyu switching bodies with someone and wreaking havoc. I think we knew the same guy or who thought similarly because I had a friend who said the same.
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Feb 3, 2015 02:10
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Covok posted:What do you mean? I mean turning into a frog for the rest of your days is pretty poo poo if you were once the most respected general in a galactic space army that ruled most of the cosmos. Well yeah, you and I think that because we're relatively sane people. The joke is at the expense of the kind of people on sites like Tumblr that honestly don't see what the issue with turning into a frog would be.
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Feb 3, 2015 02:18
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Xad posted:One of my friends always wanted GT to somehow involve Ginyu switching bodies with someone and wreaking havoc. To be honest, that's a pretty drat gnarly what-if scenario.
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Feb 3, 2015 02:47
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Xad posted:One of my friends always wanted GT to somehow involve Ginyu switching bodies with someone and wreaking havoc. Because the Baby saga wasn't bad enough.
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Feb 3, 2015 03:46
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AlternateNu posted:Because the Baby saga wasn't bad enough. I don't know, Ginyu switching bodies with Baby-Vegeta sounds pretty awesome.
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Feb 3, 2015 03:54
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AlternateNu posted:Because the Baby saga wasn't bad enough. Think about it this way: Baby was boring as gently caress and had next to no personality while Ginyu has personality in loads. It would have at least been less boring as hell. gently caress...I legitimately have no memory of how Baby even acted. What was his personality like?
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Feb 3, 2015 03:56
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Covok posted:Think about it this way: Baby was boring as gently caress and had next to no personality while Ginyu has personality in loads. It would have at least been less boring as hell. Initially, Baby is single-minded in reviving the Tuffle race and exterminating the Saiyans. Over time, it is shown that he is cunning enough to dominate the Z Fighters, possessing Vegeta and successfully restoring the Tuffles' home planet. However, Baby is also incredibly childish and immature; he is very prone to taunting, and flies into a rage if he is teased enough. Ironically, despite seeing the Saiyans as a barbaric race, he displays enjoyment in battle as well; upon becoming a Golden Great Ape, Baby pretends that he is on a mindless rampage (which is a common occurrence among Great Apes and Golden Great Apes), and massacres countless followers as a means of testing out his abilities. He is very intelligent, and has an extremely egotistical and selfish personality. After he receives energy from his followers, becoming Super Baby Vegeta, his cruelty becomes more pronounced, and he states that each and every living being should be considered his slave. Due to the Tuffle King's DNA within Baby, he is also tremendously proud, and he prefers to fight one-on-one. Being one of the two survivors of the Tuffle race (the other being Dr. Raichi), who were all but exterminated by the Saiyans, he bears a deep hatred of the Saiyans. Unlike other villains of the series in its entirety, Baby is not instinctively acting on evil intentions alone. He is an antagonist to the protagonists of the storyline, but he is seeking vengeance for all the misery that was brought unto him and his own race by the Saiyans. He does want to pay back his pain and suffering, but the desire to do so is a direct cause of what happened to his own race. In fact, were it not for Frieza's betrayal and the drastic reform in Saiyan mentality caused by the influence of Goku's upbringing, his actions could almost be considered heroic to most of the universe.
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Feb 3, 2015 03:57
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i copy/pasted that as a joke but i realized upon reading it that baby is just an amalgam of every dbz arc's main villain into an ouroboros of suck childish and immature: buu cunning and prefers to fight one-on-one: cell egotistical and cruel: frieza proud, takes enjoyment in battle and isn't acting purely on evil: vegeta
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Feb 3, 2015 03:59
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The only way Baby being an amalgam of previous villains (without sucking, of course) could have worked would have been if Baby had possessed a bunch of villains and started picking up not just their personalities but also their flaws (and ways they could be defeated). Granted, villains coming back got saved for the saga after Baby, so you would have to rearrange stuff a bit, but that would have been for the better.
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Feb 3, 2015 04:15
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Baby should have possessed Goku and been defeated by Vegeta. But that could never have happened in Dragonball Goku Time.
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Feb 3, 2015 04:21
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RZApublican posted:The only way Baby being an amalgam of previous villains (without sucking, of course) could have worked would have been if Baby had possessed a bunch of villains and started picking up not just their personalities but also their flaws (and ways they could be defeated). Granted, villains coming back got saved for the saga after Baby, so you would have to rearrange stuff a bit, but that would have been for the better. I think you miss his meaning. He's not literally an amalgam, like Cell, but he is from a character perspective.
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Feb 3, 2015 04:40
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:I think you miss his meaning. He's not literally an amalgam, like Cell, but he is from a character perspective. No, I understood his meaning, I just think what I described would be more interesting. It wasn't so much a literal Cell-style amalgamation as a way to explain how his personality would have been the way it is.
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Feb 3, 2015 05:21
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Weren't there like only 67 or so episodes of DBGT? How did they cram so many story arcs in that many episodes? So were these like ten episode arcs?
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Feb 3, 2015 05:34
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So I finished Jaco. Loved it. Wish there was more. So is this new origin story canon over the Burdock movies? (Also, why does my phone have Burdock as a suggested option when I've always called him Bardock before reading the book and writing this post? That's bizarre.. That's not a real name is it?)
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Feb 3, 2015 05:38
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RZApublican posted:The only way Baby being an amalgam of previous villains (without sucking, of course) could have worked would have been if Baby had possessed a bunch of villains and started picking up not just their personalities but also their flaws (and ways they could be defeated). Granted, villains coming back got saved for the saga after Baby, so you would have to rearrange stuff a bit, but that would have been for the better. Actually, switching things around a bit might make things a fair bit more entertaining. Say the space-hunt for the Dragon Balls happens, but the Earth Dragon Balls have some kind of malfunction because of the instability the Black Star ones are loving around with the Earth's magic... somethingorrather. While the hunt is going on, some villains show up on Earth and by the time Baby has arrived, there's a lot more powerful (and possibly willing) beings for him to possess. Explain things like Baby being a blank slate and sort of learns how to act by taking people over, and you have an explanation as to why Baby ends up like he does. His vendetta against the Saiyans becomes focused on Goku specifically due to all the villains that have influenced him, with Vegeta being the final, and biggest, influence of them all. Man even to this day it's apparent how much wasted potential there is in GT. 
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Feb 3, 2015 05:40
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I haven't seen much of GT at all, mostly just YouTube clips of fighting and stuff to get a feel for what's going on, but does the whole pace of combat feel a lot slower to anyone else? And good lord, by the time they're as powerful as they supposedly are, one miss on a ki blast should blow up the planet if Cell or even a really worked up Saiyan saga Vegeta could manage it.
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Feb 3, 2015 05:44
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New Leaf posted:So I finished Jaco. Loved it. Wish there was more. So is this new origin story canon over the Burdock movies? (Also, why does my phone have Burdock as a suggested option when I've always called him Bardock before reading the book and writing this post? That's bizarre.. That's not a real name is it?) Burdock is a type of plant. All of the names in DBZ are probably some sort of pun.
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Feb 3, 2015 05:48
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facebook jihad posted:Weren't there like only 67 or so episodes of DBGT? How did they cram so many story arcs in that many episodes? So were these like ten episode arcs? This is what DBZ Wikia has to say on that: quote:Since Dragon Ball GT was not based on the manga, no filler was required. As a result, four entire sagas (the Black Star Dragon Ball Saga, the Baby Saga, the Super 17 Saga, and the Shadow Dragon Saga) were completed in only 64 episodes. For the curious: code:
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Feb 3, 2015 05:48
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GT had a number of interesting to fantastic ideas that were executed as poorly as they possibly could've been. I'm honestly not sure how they managed to beef the whole dark dragon saga, but they beefed it hard.
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Feb 3, 2015 05:52
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New Leaf posted:I haven't seen much of GT at all, mostly just YouTube clips of fighting and stuff to get a feel for what's going on, but does the whole pace of combat feel a lot slower to anyone else? And good lord, by the time they're as powerful as they supposedly are, one miss on a ki blast should blow up the planet if Cell or even a really worked up Saiyan saga Vegeta could manage it. GT's portrayal of various characters' strengths is... odd, to say the least. Sometimes SS4 Goku seems weaker than Saiyan Saga Goku, sometimes regular kid Goku is stronger than every other fighter on the planet combined, things are just kinda wildly inconsistent. Combine that with how the fighting can happen at a glacial pace even compared to Z's (the Super 17 fight especially), and a number of episodes just come off as plain dull.
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Feb 3, 2015 05:55
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New Leaf posted:I haven't seen much of GT at all, mostly just YouTube clips of fighting and stuff to get a feel for what's going on, but does the whole pace of combat feel a lot slower to anyone else? And good lord, by the time they're as powerful as they supposedly are, one miss on a ki blast should blow up the planet if Cell or even a really worked up Saiyan saga Vegeta could manage it. Haha, in GT SSJ4 Vegeta had trouble lifting a building and Goku had to use a town's power grid to to charge up a kamehameha strong enough to beat the villian of the week.
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Feb 3, 2015 05:57
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Did they ever establish if true andrionds (not cyborgs like #17 and #18) and robots go to otherworld or not?
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Feb 3, 2015 06:03
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In GT, Goku genuinely fretted at having to dive through a rotating fanblade in a sewer.
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Feb 3, 2015 06:05
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RZApublican posted:No, I understood his meaning, I just think what I described would be more interesting. It wasn't so much a literal Cell-style amalgamation as a way to explain how his personality would have been the way it is. Oh, well that still would have kinda sucked because it'd just be another retread. Also it never needed explanation or anything, it's just the fact that they don't know how to write villains in GT for poo poo.
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Feb 3, 2015 06:18
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:Oh, well that still would have kinda sucked because it'd just be another retread. Also it never needed explanation or anything, it's just the fact that they don't know how to write villains in GT for poo poo. Yeah, I kinda didn't take that into consideration. Fixing GT is in many ways trying to put out a fire with gasoline 
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Feb 3, 2015 06:32
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Covok posted:Did they ever establish if true andrionds (not cyborgs like #17 and #18) and robots go to otherworld or not?
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Feb 3, 2015 07:28
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StrifeHira posted:Actually, switching things around a bit might make things a fair bit more entertaining. Say the space-hunt for the Dragon Balls happens, but the Earth Dragon Balls have some kind of malfunction because of the instability the Black Star ones are loving around with the Earth's magic... somethingorrather. While the hunt is going on, some villains show up on Earth and by the time Baby has arrived, there's a lot more powerful (and possibly willing) beings for him to possess. Explain things like Baby being a blank slate and sort of learns how to act by taking people over, and you have an explanation as to why Baby ends up like he does. His vendetta against the Saiyans becomes focused on Goku specifically due to all the villains that have influenced him, with Vegeta being the final, and biggest, influence of them all. Honestly if you were going to have past villains show up and influence Baby an easier way to do it would be to tie him into Dr. Raichi and his Ghost Warriors from Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans. Raichi and Baby already have the same motivation and origin. Horrible Taste fucked around with this message at 07:37 on Feb 3, 2015 |
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Feb 3, 2015 07:33
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Is that where that weird rear end guy on a ball is from in the DBM comic?
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Feb 3, 2015 08:48
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Yeah, it was from some OVA called "Plan to Eliminate the Saiyans" I think. Oh, it's Eradicate not Eliminate. Anyway, it came out in the 90s while the show was still running, it's basically Cell Saga filler in a way. Then they remade it for DVD a couple years back to promote Raging Blast 2 and playable Hachiyak.
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