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Yessss, another insane GOP presidential primary... I can almost taste the deliciousness of people cheering for poor sick people dying in the streets and Newt calling for child labor to make a comeback (on his moon base).
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:I love the anti-vaxxer argument of "well drug companies make lots of money on vaccines, can't trust that!!" Yeah no poo poo they do, because they work great. Also I'm pretty sure that Big Pharma could make a shitload more money treating your kids inevitable measles, mumps, rubella, polio, etc then they ever could just selling your kid a couple shots. Isn't there actually a bunch of competition in that market or something that lowers prices pretty far? When you can get immunity to a disease cheaper than one course of medicine for it would cost, oh no the evil corporations probably isn't really happening there.
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Feb 3, 2015 18:13
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:I love the anti-vaxxer argument of "well drug companies make lots of money on vaccines, can't trust that!!" Yeah no poo poo they do, because they work great. Also I'm pretty sure that Big Pharma could make a shitload more money treating your kids inevitable measles, mumps, rubella, polio, etc then they ever could just selling your kid a couple shots. Besides the complete ignorance (one cure-all for every type of cancer), I'm pretty sure Big Pharma wouldn't be hiding such a thing and would be happy to sell this cure at an exorbitant price.
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Feb 3, 2015 18:20
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Rorus Raz posted:My roommate believes there's a cure for cancer but it's being suppressed by Big Pharma Is it marginally sublethal doses of vitamin C? Cause that was the one a crazy guy I knew went on about.
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Feb 3, 2015 18:32
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EndOfTheWorld posted:The "Parent's Rights" bit is telling, especially with Rand Paul expressing the libertarian line on the issue - children are the property of their parents and "the state" has no business telling them what life threatening diseases they can't have. That prompts a question: how do the libertarian antivaxxers reconcile this with the fact that unvaccinated people are a threat to everyone around them? Like, do the antivaxxers go "I have the right to decide what vaccines my kids get" and then the non-antivaxxers go "in that case I have the right to shoot them in self-defence if they get anywhere near my kids" or what? Sardine Wit posted:What's with 'erosion' of patents rights? Is needing to vaccinate kids a new thing in the US? Vaccination is (according to my American friends) ostensibly mandatory, but you can opt your kids out just by saying that it's your "sincerely held belief" that they shouldn't be vaccinated, and there are no repercussions for doing so. There's been some talk about making it actually mandatory, but AFAIK nothing that's even made it to the point of being a draft bill -- just talk.
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Feb 3, 2015 18:36
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fool_of_sound posted:A cartoon I can get behind. Bill Belichick refusing to use his timeouts despite the rapidly-expiring game clock was actually a really risky gamble designed to make Pete Carroll put the ball in the air at some point. If Carroll had run the ball on that play and Marshawn didn't make it in, he would have had to use his final timeout, then pass on third down to allow for a possible fourth-down attempt. Either way, there was going to have to be a pass eventually to avoid having the game-clock run out prematurely. Rather than demonizing Carroll for making the necessary call, we should be praising Belichick's bold time-management stratagem and Malcolm Butler's one-in-a-million defensive play.  (That Carroll in panel 5 was a MASTERFUL bad-guy caricature though)
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Feb 3, 2015 18:37
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ToxicFrog posted:Vaccination is (according to my American friends) ostensibly mandatory, but you can opt your kids out just by saying that it's your "sincerely held belief" that they shouldn't be vaccinated, and there are no repercussions for doing so. There's been some talk about making it actually mandatory, but AFAIK nothing that's even made it to the point of being a draft bill -- just talk. Public schools (and probably most private schools) have vaccination standards, but you can always homeschool them (and the kinds of people who buy into anti-vaxxer ideas would probably be inclined that way anyhow.)
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Feb 3, 2015 18:39
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I thought at least a decent subset of anti-vaxxers were ostensibly-liberal granola types who distrust Big Pharma because it is made up of large powerful corporations? They're not all freepers, is all I'm saying.
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Feb 3, 2015 18:42
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loquacius posted:I thought at least a decent subset of anti-vaxxers were ostensibly-liberal granola types who distrust Big Pharma because it is made up of large powerful corporations? They're not all freepers, is all I'm saying. Definitely, but a lot of those people might be inclined to home-school as well. Or were you responding to the libertarian thing, in which case yeah, I'm sure there are some of both.
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Feb 3, 2015 18:45
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ToxicFrog posted:That prompts a question: how do the libertarian antivaxxers reconcile this with the fact that unvaccinated people are a threat to everyone around them? Like, do the antivaxxers go "I have the right to decide what vaccines my kids get" and then the non-antivaxxers go "in that case I have the right to shoot them in self-defence if they get anywhere near my kids" or what? Externalities are the bane of any modern libertarian position.
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Feb 3, 2015 18:47
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Anti-vaccination is something that seeps into both sides of the political spectrum
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Feb 3, 2015 18:48
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ToxicFrog posted:That prompts a question: how do the libertarian antivaxxers reconcile this with the fact that unvaccinated people are a threat to everyone around them? Like, do the antivaxxers go "I have the right to decide what vaccines my kids get" and then the non-antivaxxers go "in that case I have the right to shoot them in self-defence if they get anywhere near my kids" or what? Thanks. I just basically put that on my FB wall. Hoping for some fireworks.
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Feb 3, 2015 18:51
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it was, until fairly recently, largely apolitical in it's conspiracy theory bullshit. It'll be interesting to see how the latest brouhaha changes the landscape of it.
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Feb 3, 2015 18:51
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Fulchrum posted:So Muir is anti-weed. I think Muir is anti-woman (or at least, anti-FREE-woman), period. The recent "poo poo-test" strip seems to fit a pattern of him getting increasingly misogynistic - and his fans just keep applauding (I see comments saying that women like Skye need to be locked up, tamed, etc). So yea. Freedom and rights for all; unless the freedom and rights are for women, it seems - these lesser creatures who annoyingly keep thinking they are real people, but who in truth must be domesticated and civilized by real people - aka. the men. Sorry if this seems rant-y. Got a special hate-on for sexism.
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Feb 3, 2015 19:01
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"I'm not sexist, I just..." -Chris Muir, probably
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Feb 3, 2015 19:04
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alnilam posted:"I'm not sexist, I just..." -Chris Muir, probably I think we both know his response would be to attempt to discredit anyone who called him sexist (by calling them liberal) followed by an assertion that as everyone knows the real sexists are liberals
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Feb 3, 2015 19:07
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:I love the anti-vaxxer argument of "well drug companies make lots of money on vaccines, can't trust that!!" Yeah no poo poo they do, because they work great. Also I'm pretty sure that Big Pharma could make a shitload more money treating your kids inevitable measles, mumps, rubella, polio, etc then they ever could just selling your kid a couple shots. They actually don't! Vaccines are really expensive to manufacture, and that's the reason there was a shortage of the flu vaccine a few years ago: nobody wanted to make it because the profit margin is so bad. The flu vaccine in particular is extremely labor intensive and relies a lot on luck, and you have to get started on making it months before flu season starts so it can be very risky if you don't convince enough people to get flu shots. It's just that vaccines are such an obvious public good that if they refused to make then entirely they would look like monsters. There are plenty of things that cost too much and get pushed on people in medical need that you can complain about, but vaccines aren't one of them.
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Feb 3, 2015 19:24
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The people who pay Chris Muir money are probably the weirdest and saddest webcomic fans in existence, and this is a world where both Megatokyo and Control Alt Delete still exist.
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Feb 3, 2015 19:24
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Begemot posted:They actually don't! Vaccines are really expensive to manufacture, and that's the reason there was a shortage of the flu vaccine a few years ago: nobody wanted to make it because the profit margin is so bad. The flu vaccine in particular is extremely labor intensive and relies a lot on luck, and you have to get started on making it months before flu season starts so it can be very risky if you don't convince enough people to get flu shots. Are they subsidized by government, do you know? Or do the companies really solely make them for their public face / the goodness of their hearts? Also, are vaccines typically made by "Big Pharma," or are they made by vaccine-specific companies?
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Feb 3, 2015 19:26
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New Bors: https://medium.com/the-nib/a-buncha-bologna-65f29b3d727a 
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Feb 3, 2015 19:26
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I wish I could get bacon-wrapped shrimp right now. It does sound delicious.
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Feb 3, 2015 19:30
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I never knew people that liked pork and shellfish faced such discrimination. Bless Outback Steakhouse for their bravery.
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Feb 3, 2015 19:38
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I see that ham chilling in your shop dude! You're not Jewish at all! You're just a Christian that hates shrimp 
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Feb 3, 2015 19:44
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It's also a loving stupid analogy, since a Jewish deli owner could easily sell non-kosher food, the only reason they wouldn't is if they're targeting a specifically Jewish clientele.
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Feb 3, 2015 19:46
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I'm pretty sure there are people that are extremely orthodox and can't work in restaurants or stores that sell non-kosher foods but it's still their right to not work in such a place just like how gay marriage doesn't affect you unless you are getting gay married.
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Feb 3, 2015 19:52
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DStecks posted:It's also a loving stupid analogy, since a Jewish deli owner could easily sell non-kosher food, the only reason they wouldn't is if they're targeting a specifically Jewish clientele. Also, there isn't any specifically blasphemous ingredient in gay wedding cakes; the problem isn't the product but the customer. It's not like a Jewish deli owner refusing to cook ham because it's against his religion, it's more like a Christian deli owner refusing to sell corned beef to a Jew because his people rejected their lord and savior Jesus Christ.
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Feb 3, 2015 20:05
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DStecks posted:It's also a loving stupid analogy, since a Jewish deli owner could easily sell non-kosher food, the only reason they wouldn't is if they're targeting a specifically Jewish clientele. It really goes back to modern evangelicals being just so stupid about other faiths that they legitimately think pork is kryptonite to us and Muslims. Like, so many Jewish delis I've been in have had pork, ham sandwiches and saussages are loving huge sellers why would they not stock them just because they can't eat them. They'll also put cheese on your roast beef! They are super happy to take your money for things they have no use for. Radish posted:I'm pretty sure there are people that are extremely orthodox and can't work in restaurants or stores that sell non-kosher foods but it's still their right to not work in such a place just like how gay marriage doesn't affect you unless you are getting gay married. Yea pretty much, if you're like, SUPER far end hardcore, like the dudes 99% of Jews snicker about, you have every right to say 'oh no, I don't work around ham, sorry', it's also their less crazy uncle's right to say 'yea cool send that ham my way I'll sell it to the church crowd super easy.
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Feb 3, 2015 20:08
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Mehuyael posted:I wish I could get bacon-wrapped shrimp right now. It does sound delicious. lol u gay!
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Feb 3, 2015 20:10
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I used to go to a fully Jewish bakery for breakfast last year (before moving). Like Jewish to the point that they had the special sinks with bread for ultra orthadox patrons to wash their hands in (I don't know what they're called or the reasoning behind it so sorry for giving a super bad description). They sold bacon breakfast sandwiches. Asking the owner about it netted me a "Well I can't eat it but you guys buy us out almost every day so yeah, we sell it". I think at best he has to wash his hands after cooking/serving a non-kosher meal before making a kosher one but that was it.
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Feb 3, 2015 20:11
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Basically Jews have attained "one of the good ones" minority status, meaning that rather than trying to weed us out and undermine us, conservatives just use us as victim figures to advance causes 99% of us disagree with without bothering to understand how our customs actually work
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Feb 3, 2015 20:14
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You got us Huckabee, our secret plan is to force everyone to gay-marry at gunpoint. Our cover's blown, everyone proceed immediately to phase gamma!
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Feb 3, 2015 20:16
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Monkey Fracas posted:You got us Huckabee, our secret plan is to force everyone to gay-marry at gunpoint. Is that the one where they get force gay-married in their sleep?
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Feb 3, 2015 20:18
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I don't know the actual context of that Huckabee quote (and don't care enough to find out) but it seems like it's obviously referring to the bakeries/wedding whatevers that are being sued for refusing service to gay couples, is it not? And not saying that allowing gay marriage is forcing people to get gay married or whatever.
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Feb 3, 2015 20:20
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Monkey Fracas posted:Yessss, another insane GOP presidential primary... I can almost taste the deliciousness of people cheering for poor sick people dying in the streets and Newt calling for child labor to make a comeback (on his moon base). Do these yahoos really think that giving the Bachmanns and Cains of the world a platform to spew nonsense to separate old, scared white people from their money is a good thing? Really?
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Feb 3, 2015 20:22
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Garrand posted:I don't know the actual context of that Huckabee quote (and don't care enough to find out) but it seems like it's obviously referring to the bakeries/wedding whatevers that are being sued for refusing service to gay couples, is it not? And not saying that allowing gay marriage is forcing people to get gay married or whatever. If it is then it's still stupid. A Jew has the right to not sell bacon shrimp (gently caress I want some, bacon wrapped scallops rule, I assume shrimps are just as good) because it effects everyone. Black, white, Jew, Christian, nobody gets bacon shrimp from Shlohmo's Super Kosher Deli, he does not stock that product and no one has the right to force him to just for them. Those bakery examples make wedding cakes, they make them for straight couples all the time, they don't get to discriminate on customers. Like someone else said it's more like a deli refusing to give a Jew a corned beef because they don't like Jews.
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Feb 3, 2015 20:23
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Mehuyael posted:Is that the one where they get force gay-married in their sleep? No, the one where we posthumously gay-marry people. Aren't you reading the emails?
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Feb 3, 2015 20:24
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Monkey Fracas posted:No, the one where we posthumously gay-marry people. Aren't you reading the emails? I'm always kept out of the loop. 
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Feb 3, 2015 20:25
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And when you frame the issue around "choice" it is still a load when you simultaneously advocate for the restriction of another group's choice. Edit: When did this line of thought start popping up? Has it always been around to an extent or did it start popping up when it became apparent that bans on same-sex marriage were dying out?
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Feb 3, 2015 20:27
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Garrand posted:I don't know the actual context of that Huckabee quote (and don't care enough to find out) but it seems like it's obviously referring to the bakeries/wedding whatevers that are being sued for refusing service to gay couples, is it not? And not saying that allowing gay marriage is forcing people to get gay married or whatever. Yeah, He's trying to keep the focus on "economic" side of gay marriage. Saying that it's a bad thing to force businesses (specifically Christian businesses) to do something they don't like. But as another poster pointed out there is a huge difference between someone refusing to serve a specific ITEM that their faith doesn't allow and refusing to serve a person because their faith doesn't allow them to be something that said customer is. Like if the Mormons hadn't quickly backtracked their anti-black scriptures we could be having this fight over whether Mormon businesses should be allowed to refuse service to Black people.
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Guys, call me a homophobe but I think it's wrong to ask Christian bakeries to sell wedding cakes with ground up homosexuality in them.
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