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So my favorite mermaid man is not in the show?
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Feb 3, 2015 20:10
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twistedmentat posted:Wait, what? Theon killing his own son is new to me. It's a fan-theory thing that if true doesn't actually add anything in the story anyway  Theon's already a pretty huge traitor-betrayer character without needing to be a kinslayer on top of that, and people in the books are even already CALLING him a kinslayer because as Eddard's ward he's close enough to Bran and Rickon's brother that he probably shouldn't kill them. whatever7 posted:So my favorite mermaid man is not in the show? Uh Varys is in the show 
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Feb 3, 2015 20:18
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BillBear posted:The ages really don't add up, the youngest is around Bran's age in the books and Theon arrived when he was around 10/11, about the time Bran was born. There is the cloaked figure at Winterfell, that may be a hallucination/Tyler Durden, specifically and I think uniquely calling Theon a kinslayer though. And a 14 year old fathering a son, the burnt corpse of which is passed off as 2 years older than it is, falls well within the bounds of credulity for me. Mostly I like the Theon as kinslayer idea because it adds to the Theon/Jaime parallel and adds tragic gravitas and I dig poo poo like that. Vitamin P fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Feb 3, 2015 |
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Feb 3, 2015 20:23
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In order to make anything Howland Reed would have to say (R + L = J) matter they'd have to (realistically unless they want even more poo poo to go the way of Jeor being Jorah's dad where they 'technically' mention it but half the audience didn't even pick up on it) they'd have to explain a poo poo load of stuff to make people understand. They'd need pie charts and an abacus and who knows what at this point. Jon, it turns out Ned wasn't even your dad. Oh, who was? Rhaegar. Who the gently caress is that? We mentioned him once in the first episode and once in the third season. Oh. So who was his mom? Lyanna Stark. Who? Ned's sister we mentioned once in the first episode and once when Cersei is arguing with Robert! Oh. Uh why would Ned lie? Because of a prophecy! What prophecy? A prophecy we haven't mentioned! Oh...
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Feb 3, 2015 20:42
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Midnight City posted:Jon, it turns out Ned wasn't even your dad. Oh, who was? Rhaegar. Who the gently caress is that? We mentioned him once in the first episode and once in the third season. Oh. So who was his mom? Lyanna Stark. Who? Ned's sister we mentioned once in the first episode and once when Cersei is arguing with Robert! Oh. Uh why would Ned lie? Because of a prophecy! What prophecy? A prophecy we haven't mentioned! Oh... e: V stev fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Feb 3, 2015 |
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Feb 3, 2015 20:45
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Midnight City posted:In order to make anything Howland Reed would have to say (R + L = J) matter they'd have to (realistically unless they want even more poo poo to go the way of Jeor being Jorah's dad where they 'technically' mention it but half the audience didn't even pick up on it) they'd have to explain a poo poo load of stuff to make people understand. They'd need pie charts and an abacus and who knows what at this point. I think Ned was lying because Robert probably would have murdered the poo poo out of Jon otherwise
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Feb 3, 2015 20:45
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Lady Stoneheart still possible: http://uproxx.com/tv/2015/02/game-of-thrones-back-from-dead/ poo poo, debunked already. Hot scoop!
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Feb 3, 2015 20:48
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Yeah I know, I cut a portion out of it about Ned needing a reason to lie to Robert about it but didn't see what it was leading into again so just imagine it even more convoluted than that. Now just imagine all that with Aegon added in when people were arguing with me he'd definitely be included in the show. "Oh who's this kid?" "Dany's brother everyone thought was dead!" "Oh the one who Jorah talked about" "No, this is her second brother she never met that was supposed to have died!" "............"
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Feb 3, 2015 20:48
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Look Sir Droids posted:Lady Stoneheart still possible: http://uproxx.com/tv/2015/02/game-of-thrones-back-from-dead/ Remember when IMDb had 50 Cent playing Epona in Zelda: Twilight Princess?
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Feb 3, 2015 20:49
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Steve2911 posted:Remember when IMDb had 50 Cent playing Epona in Zelda: Twilight Princess? Wait that wasn't 50 Cent?
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Feb 3, 2015 20:54
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Does R+L=J really even matter that much anyways? Most people just fantasize about him marrying Daenerys(because if there is one thing ASOIAF readers talk with way too much interest about, it's incest) and then becoming king of Westeros. But Jon isn't ever going to abandon his post at the watch. He takes honor pretty seriously and it would take a giant change in his basic character to make him change his mind. I'm pretty not even sure that being stabbed by the men of the watch wouldn't do it. I guess it depends on how well GRRM writes the coming Jon Snow chapters; but I still don't see him leaving his post ever. Even if he is legitimized at some point.loquacius posted:It's a fan-theory thing that if true doesn't actually add anything in the story anyway Wouldn't killing his son be pretty close to fulfilling the Nissa Nissa portion of the prophecy? It's just people coming up with more ways that various people can be AA. Born amidst salt and smoke: Pyke burning next to the sea before Theon's capture where he essentially was born again as a new person? And Thoros probably took wounds in pyke, a bleeding red star?(priest?) Killed his child a loved one(?) like Nissa Nissa. Was disfigured by a horrible wound: eg minus a dick and a few fingers.
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Feb 3, 2015 20:55
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Yes R+L=J matters. I'm going to quote myself here:Mortabis posted:That was clearly planned in advance. Let's work through the steps here:
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Feb 3, 2015 21:00
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All knowing Vary will be traveling the country side with Tyrion for a few episodes. This gives him plenty of time to casually mention Rhaegar falling for Lyana. Tyrion: something about Oberyn avenging his sister and her love for Rhaeger. Varys: something about Rhaegar's love for another, hinting of a Lyanna/Rhaegar romance. Hell, Barriston could even know something about it. Everyone acts like Howland Reed is the only person that could possibly know that Rhaegar knocked up Lyanna. He's probably the only one who knows that baby lived and is now hooking up with Wildling redheads up at the wall though. The point I'm trying to make is there are plenty of ways they could add hints to Jon's parentage without force feeding the audience. I think if it is relevant in the long run (which it most certainly will be) we may start seeing hints in the show this season.
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Feb 3, 2015 21:01
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Midnight City posted:Jon, it turns out Ned wasn't even your dad. Oh, who was? Rhaegar. Who the gently caress is that? We mentioned him once in the first episode and once in the third season. Oh. So who was his mom? Lyanna Stark. Who? Ned's sister we mentioned once in the first episode and once when Cersei is arguing with Robert! Oh. Uh why would Ned lie? Because of a prophecy! What prophecy? A prophecy we haven't mentioned! Oh... Also, eh. Remember how they did 'Only Cat'. By relating it to living characters. So: 'Hey, Jon, turns out that you're the son of Dad's sister and that chick Daenerys' brother. They hitched at one point, but decided to keep it secret because he was married and she was engaged. Funny that, no?'
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Feb 3, 2015 21:07
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None of the slow-only people I know think that Ned is really Jon's dad, so they are just waiting for something to be revealed.
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Feb 3, 2015 21:11
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Mortabis posted:Yes R+L=J matters. I'm going to quote myself here: I agree it'll (probably) matter in the books but not for the show, if it were they would've/should've mentioned it by now, but even though it's a lot of illogical crap like anybody believing Howland Reed it makes me laugh that pure loving happenstance is a better plan than anything Doran Martell could come up with.
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Feb 3, 2015 21:12
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Lycus posted:None of the slow-only people I know think that Ned is really Jon's dad, so they are just waiting for something to be revealed. The show only people I know stopped caring about that two or three years ago.
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Feb 3, 2015 21:18
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Midnight City posted:I agree it'll (probably) matter in the books but not for the show, if it were they would've/should've mentioned it by now, but even though it's a lot of illogical crap like anybody believing Howland Reed it makes me laugh that pure loving happenstance is a better plan than anything Doran Martell could come up with. Yeah I think Howland won't be the one to reveal it. No one, especially not the Starks & Jon will believe some tiny dude who lives in a bog blabbing on about how Jon is really the son of Rhaegar. I bet they will find out by Bran telling them after he sees something.
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Feb 3, 2015 21:50
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How did Lynanna die anyway? I remember she was dying when Ned found her, but were there any details about what actually happened? Was it some sort of injury during a fight, like with Myrcella, or was it illness?
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Feb 3, 2015 21:51
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Childbirth
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Feb 3, 2015 21:54
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The Mountain broke a weightlifting record described in Icelandic folklore:quote:“The record has been described in Icelandic Saga book,” said Kinnunen. “The legend of the Icelander Orm Storulfsson says that he walked three steps with this MONSTER WOODEN LOG which weighed over 650kg and was 10 m long! It took 50 mere mortals to help him placing it on his back! After he took his third step, his back broke under the enormous pressure and he was never the same after that!
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Feb 3, 2015 22:00
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Mortabis posted:Yes R+L=J matters. I'm going to quote myself here: I just want to know if Melisandre whatever7 fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Feb 3, 2015 |
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Feb 3, 2015 22:14
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PostNouveau posted:The Mountain broke a weightlifting record described in Icelandic folklore: That might be the most metal thing I've ever heard
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Feb 3, 2015 22:15
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Why would R+L=J not matter it's like the one thing gurm cared about asking D&D when they went to him about the series
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Feb 3, 2015 22:16
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zVxTeflon posted:Why would R+L=J not matter it's like the one thing gurm cared about asking D&D when they went to him about the series It could just be a barometer of if they've closely read, or at least read discussion about, the books. If R+L=J is going to matter then Howland Reed becoming the power in King's Landing and revealing the truth when Dany takes the city is pretty much the most organic way to do it. The reveal can't come from Robb's will in the north because that would step on Davos and Manderly revealing Rickon.
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Feb 3, 2015 22:29
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Dany wont 'take' King's Landing. She'll either burn it to the ground as soon as she arrives or attempt to take a less lovely seat of power.
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Feb 3, 2015 22:36
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Vitamin P posted:It could just be a barometer of if they've closely read, or at least read discussion about, the books. This isn't really true. 1. Robb's will is on paper, and Jon isn't actually Ned Stark's son so the legitimization as I stated above actually makes him Rhaegar's heir. 2. Connecting the dots between Rhaegar kidnapped Lianna -> they had a kid isn't that hard. Everybody knows the war started because Lyanna was kidnapped. 3. Jon will probably have accomplished some sort of heroic feat by the time the story breaks which will make him an easy sell.
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Feb 3, 2015 22:39
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Steve2911 posted:Dany wont 'take' King's Landing. She'll either burn it to the ground as soon as she arrives or attempt to take a less lovely seat of power. Where else is less lovely? King's Landing has symbolic power and presumably a decent larder of food, Casterly Rock and Highgarden would serve but would be a pain to get to, and anything to the north except the vale is a wreck. And if Tyrion, bless him, is her advisor she's bound to aim for King's Landing because he overestimates its importance and because literally no one knows the defenses of the city better than Tyrion does, his vanity alone will insist she lands there.
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Feb 3, 2015 22:55
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zVxTeflon posted:actually the best was S3s trailer by a wide margin This is the correct opinion.
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Feb 3, 2015 22:58
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Steve2911 posted:Dany wont 'take' King's Landing. She'll either burn it to the ground as soon as she arrives or attempt to take a less lovely seat of power. A lot of Dany's prophecy don't make sense to me, she has to keep going east ward to get to Westeros? How? Dany is going to circumnavigate the Middle Earth?
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Feb 3, 2015 22:58
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There's call backs to R+L = J all the way back in the first two episodes of the series. Look at Sean Bean's acting in this scene. The look on his face and the quiver of his lip pretty much says it all. It makes him sad to think about Lyanna's death and all the poo poo he's been carrying and keeping secret for years now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diZPm20DdLM It's one of the better and more satisfying mysteries of the series, and even though we've all figured it out, it's still going to be great to see when Jon Snow figures it out. It will be even better for show only people as they will have completely forgotten about it and will be completely blindsided by it once they connect the dots.
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Feb 3, 2015 23:08
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Did the show ever reveal Joffrey was the one to send the assassin after Bran?
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Feb 3, 2015 23:08
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If Tyrion's vanity is a factor I think he'd sum for Casterly Rock first. It'd be a great "gently caress you" to Tywin. And if Victarion is a factor it would be pretty easy. I seem to recall reports saying that we will eventually see either Highgarden or Casterly Rock in tWoW. That could be entirely made up by me, though.
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Feb 3, 2015 23:08
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I have nothing to back this, of course, and everything GRRM ever said denies it. But my pet theory is that GRRM got angry that the internet figured out R+L = J and changed the whole loving history to eliminate it. That also explains Aegon (who is supposed to fill the role of the true Targaryen that is going to marry Dany). Even more: it explains why he got lost and cant seem to find a way to finish this story.
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Feb 3, 2015 23:21
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enraged_camel posted:How did Lynanna die anyway? I remember she was dying when Ned found her, but were there any details about what actually happened? Was it some sort of injury during a fight, like with Myrcella, or was it illness? It hasn't been stated in any sort of detail, no, but Ned's flashbacks of her death feature blood. The main theory is childbirth, but could have been something else. It seems unlikely she was murdered though - Ned doesn't seem bent on revenge, and he's not the honour killing type, and it doesn't seem like Lyanna actually took part herself in the fight between Ned and the Kingsguard outside. The Lyanna being pregnant theory also goes towards explaining why the Kingsguard members were with her rather than Rhaegar too.
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Feb 3, 2015 23:26
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Elias_Maluco posted:I have nothing to back this, of course, and everything GRRM ever said denies it. But my pet theory is that GRRM got angry that the internet figured out R+L = J and changed the whole loving history to eliminate it. I think he's said that fans have figured out mysteries in the books but he doesn't plan on changing them... though I cannot recall if that was an actual quotation. I think this started a fight last time.
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Feb 3, 2015 23:40
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Steve2911 posted:Remember when IMDb had 50 Cent playing Epona in Zelda: Twilight Princess? Who are Curtis' parents again?
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Feb 3, 2015 23:54
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whatever7 posted:A lot of Dany's prophecy don't make sense to me, she has to keep going east ward to get to Westeros? How? Dany is going to circumnavigate the Middle Earth? In the World of Ice and Fire it seems like it's accepted the world is round, but that no one has managed circumnavigation yet. Didn't one of the Targs try to do it on a dragon once? Maybe Dany will. And attack Casterly Rock while everyone's busy on the other side of the kingdom.
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Feb 4, 2015 00:15
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frozenpeas posted:So is Bronn going to get killed by Areo instead of that random Kingsguard guy? No way. You're suggesting that: Show Bronn=Book Arys Oakheart and Show Sand Snake(?)=Book Arianne Martell There's no way that would work. Bronn would have sex with her once and wave her off saying, "Good luck with your coup!"
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So It Goes posted:Did the show ever reveal Joffrey was the one to send the assassin after Bran? We don't know Joffrey was the one who sent the assassin, we just know Tyrion suspected him of it. edit: And Cersei eventually
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