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El Scotch posted:Even if the Russians rolled into Kiev, I don't see any other countries deploying troops to fight them. Such is the reality of things. which is pretty funny because the same thing happened back in 1938-1939 with austria, czechoslovakia and poland while the french and english were huge pussies afraid of doing anything to not provoke the germans. i'm seeing a very strong case of history repeating itself here.
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I think it would be insane to give aid that will be used to kill Russians. We can't win this brinkmanship game, it was lost when Putin went hard power. We have to let him destroy Ukraine, or do as he pleases there, and hope for it to backfire.
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Or we can go to war and stand up for our principles and our values.
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SedanChair posted:I think it would be insane to give aid that will be used to kill Russians. We can't win this brinkmanship game, it was lost when Putin went hard power. We have to let him destroy Ukraine, or do as he pleases there, and hope for it to backfire. that is exactly what Putin is counting on I bet
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I'm curious as to how Putin will be able to afford an invasion of Europe with his economy melting.
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He can't, that's why it's best to hang back.Baloogan posted:Or we can go to war and stand up for our principles and our values. Literally always a doomed strategy.
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SedanChair posted:I think it would be insane to give aid that will be used to kill Russians. We can't win this brinkmanship game, it was lost when Putin went hard power. We have to let him destroy Ukraine, or do as he pleases there, and hope for it to backfire. Yep, because that plan has ALWAYS worked well in the past. Just sit this one out, guys.
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Fojar38 posted:I'm curious as to how Putin will be able to afford an invasion of Europe with his economy melting. that's what Chamberlain (british PM) said about Germany in 1939
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So when did goons start to unironically advocate for armed conflict between nuclear powers.
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OhYeah posted:Yep, because that plan has ALWAYS worked well in the past. Just sit this one out, guys. It does in fact work well for us. It's when we start trying to "do something!!" that we tend to get our dicks caught in the cash register.
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Fojar38 posted:So when did goons start to unironically advocate for armed conflict between nuclear powers. Several months back.
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Giving money and weapons to highly corrupt governments has also not worked out great for us. There's really no easy answer as far as supporting Ukraine.
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Fojar38 posted:So when did goons start to unironically advocate for armed conflict between nuclear powers. it was always hilarious
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Fojar38 posted:So when did goons start to unironically advocate for armed conflict between nuclear powers. Around the time they thought they can brutally wage unconvential war against other sovereign states.
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SedanChair posted:It does in fact work well for us. It's when we start trying to "do something!!" that we tend to get our dicks caught in the cash register. this was the reasoning behind england's and france's stance on doing practically nothing when germany invaded poland. they could have ended the whole thing right then and there but were too afraid to provoke hitler. we all know how that ended.
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Like do people realize that in a nuclear war, the Something Awful Forums, among other things, would likely be knocked offline for the foreseeable future?
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it's easy for you americans act all holier than thou when you don't have to live next to russia (we can forget alaska in this case)
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Nauta posted:(we can forget alaska in this case) Russia hasn't. Don't think they're serious yet though. 
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Fojar38 posted:Like do people realize that in a nuclear war, the Something Awful Forums, among other things, would likely be knocked offline for the foreseeable future? No one's going to nuke Missouri.
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Nauta posted:this was the reasoning behind england's and france's stance on doing practically nothing when germany invaded poland. they could have ended the whole thing right then and there but were too afraid to provoke hitler. we all know how that ended. Hitler didn't have nukes.
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SedanChair posted:Hitler didn't have nukes. ironically that's why i'm glad there are so many nuclear warheads on this planet. putin will have to calculate very carefully what he can get away with but it's pretty obvious he's delusional at this point so who knows what he might try next. what is certain though is that bending over when someone pressures you has never worked well for any country ever so there's that.
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I like how this thread's favorite dichotomy is: a) Do nothing b) Declare global thermonuclear war Welp, option b) sure sound bad, better do absolutely nothing.
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Nuclear war On the dance floor
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Nauta posted:this was the reasoning behind england's and france's stance on doing practically nothing when germany invaded poland. they could have ended the whole thing right then and there but were too afraid to provoke hitler. we all know how that ended. Actually it was "Jesus loving Christ we lived through the Great War and that horror must be avoided at all costs, also, we don't actually have the strength to stop them." Nice revisionism though.
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It's time for a good old fashioned proxy war. Someone go dig up Richard Nixon.
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global thermonuclear war let's do t5is!
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Fojar38 posted:Like do people realize that in a nuclear war, the Something Awful Forums, among other things, would likely be knocked offline for the foreseeable future? I sort of have a hard time understanding how nuclear weapons wouldn't eventually be used by both parties, if two parties that had nuclear weapons ended up getting into a fist-fight. I mean in a perfect world Russia and the US and everyone could sit down, agree that this sucks for all parties - and try to figure out something so everyone can be happy. Doesn't that seem like such a better or more wise position, even if there was a lot of yelling and sour faces.. I don't doubt the US would have any problems using their arsenal if for some reason Russia were to get the upper hand and as some dumb example, started rolling closer to US territories after a war started - so why wouldn't Russia, if things got dark for them? Sorry if this is on the edge of Clancy, but I just don't get how anyone who can advocate going to war in this case against Russia can fathom both sides to essentially be 'good boys' as far as nuclear arms go, but everything else is okay. Has there ever been an example of that happening? Two big powers going at it, while both sit on nuclear armaments because they know at that point, what does anything matter..
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So since people seem convinced Putin is about to try and blitz Kiev I'm curious as to how he's ultimately going to pay his army and keep them supplied and his equipment maintained and whatnot considering it would definitely lead to, at the very least, a complete embargo on all trade with Russia from the West and even China would probably back off on bailing out Putin at that point.
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Rapey Joe Stalin posted:Actually it was "Jesus loving Christ we lived through the Great War and that horror must be avoided at all costs, also, we don't actually have the strength to stop them." Nice revisionism though. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saar_Offensive The Saar Offensive was a French ground operation into Saarland, Germany, during the early stages of World War II, from 7 to 16 September 1939. The purpose of the attack was to assist Poland, which was then under invasion. The all-out assault was to have been carried out by roughly 40 divisions, including one armored division, three mechanised divisions, 78 artillery regiments and 40 tank battalions. The offensive was stopped and the French forces eventually withdrew amid a German counter-offensive on 17 October
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"Give me some anti-tank missiles" "No" "Whaaao, look at Mr. High-and-Mighty over here"
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Nauta posted:this was the reasoning behind england's and france's stance on doing practically nothing when germany invaded poland. they could have ended the whole thing right then and there but were too afraid to provoke hitler. we all know how that ended. What the gently caress are you talking about? France and Britain declared war, remember? Also Chamberlains reputation is actually unfair, while he was talking about "peace in our time" he massively ramped up the Royal Navy and RAF.
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eigenstate posted:I like how this thread's favorite dichotomy is: Considering the people being asked to fight are literally the words two biggest nuclear powers it kinda is. And also that one of those is lead by insanely more aggressive than usual folks.
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If Putin wasn't concerned about actual western military reprisals, this would already be an officially declared war and not hideously translated script to National Lampoon's Russian Vacation.54.4 crowns posted:What the gently caress are you talking about? France and Britain declared war, remember? France & Britain declared war and then.........bunkered up and watched Poland get devoured whole. And their passivity gave Russia the go-ahead for their own invasion, which crushed Poland's ability to hold the Germans for any reasonable amount of time. It isn't just Poland, either, they sat on their hands while Germany shredded up agreements, annexed whole countries, and otherwise ran rampant. There is a good drat reason that one of the primary lessons from WW2 is that appeasing fascists doesn't work. Cuntpunch fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Feb 4, 2015 |
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Cuntpunch posted:If Putin wasn't concerned about actual western military reprisals, this would already be an officially declared war and not hideously translated script to National Lampoon's Russian Vacation. Pretty sure the only people afraid of western military reprisals are muslims.
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54.4 crowns posted:What the gently caress are you talking about? France and Britain declared war, remember? they declared war but did jack poo poo until it was too late (for france). chamberlain believed the situation could be defused by a trade embargo but again we know how that worked
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Nintendo Kid posted:No one's going to nuke Missouri. They won't have to:  But they would have: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/351st_Missile_Wing_LGM-30_Minuteman_Missile_Launch_Sites Dusty Baker 2 fucked around with this message at 01:11 on Feb 4, 2015 |
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