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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:these usually are not enforceable, at least in CA, and they are pretty vague everywhere else, here's some lawyer talk for FL: ny and ca have laws that explicitly restrict non-competes. in every other state of the union, they are very much enforceable the bigger question is whether it's worth anyone's time and money to enforce your non-compete. if you are a programmer, and you hop into another programming job inside your niche, it's probably not worth thousands of dollars in legal costs to screw with you. think about this from your employer's point of view. what does your departure cost them? (above and beyond your ongoing contribution)
these scenarios are very common for e.g. sales guys. i'm betting they're pretty uncommon for technical types. especially if you choose your new employer with your non-compete in mind. don't jam your thumb in your old company's eye, and your non-compete won't be a problem. if you work in Ford's embedded engine controller division, and you hire on at GM, for gently caress's sake, don't go into embedded engine controllers. better yet, don't work in the auto industry.
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relevant to what notorius bsd is saying, i was actually at broadcom when they and intel started blasting each other over trade secrets and non-competes. essentially broadcom would hire ex-intel people and make a big show of saying "we're not asking them to reveal trade secrets, don't worry" and then put them as management (when they had previously been engineers) on the exact same projects that they had previously worked on for intel. of course they wouldn't say anything directly to their subordinates but they would be like 'hmmmm maybe try doing it this way? just totally coincidentally saying that' and of course the lawyers came out and years of litigation followed.
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when i got hired i had to sign something that said anything i create outside of work also belongs to my company but then i got something else that said 'youre in CA so that actually doesn't apply here' . do people in other states have to like abandon their githubs?
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Flat Daddy posted:when i got hired i had to sign something that said anything i create outside of work also belongs to my company but then i got something else that said 'youre in CA so that actually doesn't apply here' . do people in other states have to like abandon their githubs? welcome to a world called gor *whipcrack*
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Flat Daddy posted:when i got hired i had to sign something that said anything i create outside of work also belongs to my company but then i got something else that said 'youre in CA so that actually doesn't apply here' . do people in other states have to like abandon their githubs? that poo poo is negotiable as hell. for stuff you're really serious about, you can usually get them to explicitly name projects to which those clauses are inapplicable. (or, exclude contributions to open source entirely) for everything else, well, see about the non-compete. is it worth thousands and thousands of dollars to gently caress with you? no? then they ain't gonna.
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base64 some scat porn in the headers of all your personal projects You really wanna take ownership of this, Motorola?
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Flat Daddy posted:when i got hired i had to sign something that said anything i create outside of work also belongs to my company but then i got something else that said 'youre in CA so that actually doesn't apply here' . do people in other states have to like abandon their githubs? this one says "everything you make that relates to what the company does is ours, pls provide a list of everything you've ever made" so it probably translates to "whatever you make that we think we can make money on" and there's another one that says if they break labor laws i can't sue them
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:bad legal do not listen to this. get an employment lawyer. you can be very much hosed if you even update linkedin before your contract says you can.
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Luigi Thirty posted:there's another one that says if they break labor laws i can't sue them 
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I once had an employment contract that I wanted to cross out some non-compete and "we own code produced in off-hours" stuff and the HR drone was like "I have never heard of a case where someone modified this contract, it's just boilerplate, I don't even know who I would contact to authorize this" and so I said nevermind, crossed it out anyway and signed the thing and never heard about it again.
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Malcolm XML posted:do not listen to this. get an employment lawyer. you can be very much hosed if you even update linkedin before your contract says you can. this one just says "here's a list of companies you agree not to work for or take our clients to for 18 months" and it lists a bunch of SAP companies i've never heard of
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Bhodi posted:I once had an employment contract that I wanted to cross out some non-compete and "we own code produced in off-hours" stuff and the HR drone was like "I have never heard of a case where someone modified this contract, it's just boilerplate, I don't even know who I would contact to authorize this" and so I said nevermind, crossed it out anyway and signed the thing and never heard about it again. last time someone tried to get me to sign a non-compete I just didn't do it and they didn't care.
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Luigi Thirty posted:this one just says "here's a list of companies you agree not to work for or take our clients to for 18 months" and it lists a bunch of SAP companies i've never heard of that sounds totally reasonable "don't jam your thumb in our eye, please"
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Shaggar posted:last time someone tried to get me to sign a non-compete I just didn't do it and they didn't care. this happened to me, once my non-compete sat in my desk drawer, un-signed, the entire time i worked there
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Malcolm XML posted:do not listen to this. get an employment lawyer. you can be very much hosed if you even update linkedin before your contract says you can. yeah but there still has to be an incentive to gently caress with you, man nobody spends time with lawyers for fun
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:yeah but there still has to be an incentive to gently caress with you, man ummmm
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:nobody spends time with lawyers for fun i play video games with tenementfunster
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this is the first time i have seen tori's red text man is it great
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does anyone know of something like survey monkey that will let me do similar stuff, except cheaper? i googled it but there seems to be lots of clones and i dont know if any of them are good. i need to do like a 15 question survey, preferably being able to export the results too
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doesn't Google docs do survey forms now?
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Luigi Thirty posted:doesn't Google docs do survey forms now? thats...a good point, ill check that out thanks!
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non-compete is a thing in WA, and at least MSFT gets growly about it. non-solicit (employees, customers, etc) is a thing in most places. edit: if you can get the company to agree to them not owning anything you release under an open source license, they're basically letting you do anything and they should fire their counsel Subjunctive fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Feb 4, 2015 |
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if only there was some way for labor to... organize, and put an end to lovely business practices
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Luigi Thirty posted:if only there was some way for labor to... organize, and put an end to lovely business practices Shaggar summoning complete
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Subjunctive posted:edit: if you can get the company to agree to them not owning anything you release under an open source license, they're basically letting you do anything and they should fire their counsel huh even if it's outside of work and not on company owned equipment??
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Flat Daddy posted:huh even if it's outside of work and not on company owned equipment?? that's not "anything", that's "some very specific sorts of things". but use-of-equipment/hours isn't enough to make a bright line distinction, if they think that it's derived from knowledge or techniques that you acquired on the job. recommendation: don't work for a company that you think might sue you, and have hobbies that don't involve computers. (it's a beautiful day, go outside for gently caress's sake.) Luigi Thirty posted:doesn't Google docs do survey forms now? https://support.google.com/docs/answer/87809?hl=en
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Flat Daddy posted:huh even if it's outside of work and not on company owned equipment?? depends on the company i guess. my company's ownership of my code only applies to code i write on their equipment, which made sense to me.
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Marsol0 posted:depends on the company i guess. my company's ownership of my code only applies to code i write on their equipment, which made sense to me. even if it's on their time and your laptop?
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get a lawyer get a lawyer get a lawyer get a lawyer get a lawyer
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yep.
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Flat Daddy posted:I'm using the this terrible company-branded spinoff version of rhel, so anything would be a step up Is it red star OS?
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Hed posted:Is it red star OS? the interview thread is in a the cavern of cobol
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if I'm reasonably solid in c and c++ and a bunch of other langs how terrible is it going to be if i have to pick up objective c with a quickness
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fritz posted:if I'm reasonably solid in c and c++ and a bunch of other langs how terrible is it going to be if i have to pick up objective c with a quickness the hard part of objective c is learning the framework
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:the interview thread is in a the cavern of cobol Nice!
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:the hard part of objective c is learning the framework thats libraries, right?
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fritz posted:thats libraries, right? ya
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fritz posted:if I'm reasonably solid in c and c++ and a bunch of other langs how terrible is it going to be if i have to pick up objective c with a quickness it will help to purge your memory of all the good things in C++ like templates, and numb your syntactic-taste receptors otherwise just pick up the frameworks and you're golden. Big Nerd Ranch book is good.
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