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VV does have a point, though. I just think expecting anything better out of a Middle Eastern nation is foolish. And expediting the deaths of prisoners already sentenced to death seems like the least controversial thing coming out of that region lately.
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Feb 4, 2015 17:34
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In an ideal society yes, it matters. In a no loving poo poo monarchy in 2015 that has sand nazis next door this is such a nonsense and insignificant complaint that I can't help but think that the only reason it matters to you is that it was on Fox or whatever.
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Feb 4, 2015 17:40
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OZYMANDICKASS posted:Of course it does. A ruling entity should abide by it's own rules and timelines. If the State of Texas says you're going to be executed 5 years from now, but then executes you tomorrow because your brother gently caress's the Sherrif's wife, the state is only undermining it's own authority. To be fair to Jordan, we don't know whether these guys they executed were the closest mentally challenged individuals they found in the vicinity of the crime.
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Feb 4, 2015 17:43
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holocaust bloopers posted:VV does have a point, though. I just think expecting anything better out of a Middle Eastern nation is foolish. And expediting the deaths of prisoners already sentenced to death seems like the least controversial thing coming out of that region lately. Isreal resents being held to a higher standard all the time and actively.works to discourage it. Jordan is a bastion of reason and tolerance in a hell hole and I don't see anything unreasonable about their actions. And also, yes, those prisoners were a danger to others and the country. The only reason the women wasn't already dead is because her suicide vest failed to blow. She is getting what she wanted.
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Feb 4, 2015 18:23
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do muslim women get 42 virgin dudes or whatever the number is
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suboptimal posted:It's pretty much just this one dude in the Middle East thread. Tangentially related, but this guy has such bad opinions on Magic: the Gathering that a bunch of nerds got together to do a tournament in his honor after he shamefully declined a duel in single Wizard combat that would determine if he could post in the Eternal thread or not anymore. So, I guess what I'm saying is that any time he types words on this forum, you can safely assume they're worthless
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Feb 4, 2015 18:57
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go3 posted:do muslim women get 42 virgin dudes or whatever the number is Pretty sure All*h restores their virtue and that's where the 42 virgins for men come from.
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Feb 4, 2015 18:59
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Pretty sure All*h restores their virtue and that's where the 42 virgins for men come from. Also no crab lice, so that's good.
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Feb 4, 2015 19:00
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Justice delayed is justice denied after all. The US has a terrible death penalty system and should not be used as an example.
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Feb 4, 2015 19:06
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lightpole posted:Justice delayed is justice denied after all. The US has a terrible death penalty system and should not be used as an example. What I meant was Jordan should follow the US example of interminable delay followed by lethal injection of unknown substances acquired from unknown sources because that's a great framework for the rule of law.
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AgentSythe posted:Tangentially related, but this guy has such bad opinions on Magic: the Gathering that a bunch of nerds got together to do a tournament in his honor after he shamefully declined a duel in single Wizard combat that would determine if he could post in the Eternal thread or not anymore. So, I guess what I'm saying is that any time he types words on this forum, you can safely assume they're worthless What the gently caress
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Feb 4, 2015 19:15
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lightpole posted:What I meant was Jordan should follow the US example of interminable delay followed by lethal injection of unknown substances acquired from unknown sources because that's a great framework for the rule of law. Hey that's not our drat fault, blame Europe for that problem.
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gfanikf posted:Hey that's not our drat fault, blame Europe for that problem. Curse you, John Locke!
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AgentSythe posted:Tangentially related, but this guy has such bad opinions on Magic: the Gathering that a bunch of nerds got together to do a tournament in his honor after he shamefully declined a duel in single Wizard combat that would determine if he could post in the Eternal thread or not anymore. So, I guess what I'm saying is that any time he types words on this forum, you can safely assume they're worthless youre a wizzard harry!
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gfanikf posted:Hey that's not our drat fault, blame Europe for that problem. There's a french invention from the goddamned 18th century that would do the job quicker and with less pain or whatever than any chemicals, but you refuse to use it because that would be too good for the people getting killed.
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Syncopated posted:There's a french invention from the goddamned 18th century that would do the job quicker and with less pain or whatever than any chemicals, but you refuse to use it because that would be too good for the people getting killed. This is America we should just be shooting people.
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Feb 4, 2015 20:11
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gfanikf posted:This is America we should just be shooting people. We do, but only black people.
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Feb 4, 2015 20:13
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Some serious goalpost-shifting from the retarded bleeding hearts in this thread. I realise it's rather difficult to have a conflict of attrition with a nebulous NGO like ISIS, but what's a rough idea of the percentage of their forces that would need to be slaughtered in order to remove them as a threat?
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WarpedNaba posted:Some serious goalpost-shifting from the retarded bleeding hearts in this thread. 100%
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Feb 4, 2015 20:21
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WarpedNaba posted:Some serious goalpost-shifting from the retarded bleeding hearts in this thread. 99.999(repeating, of course)% e: damnit vas 
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Feb 4, 2015 20:22
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Actually probably like 110% because there's bound to be a few accidental weddings, funerals or goat loving sessions that we accidentally bomb.
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Feb 4, 2015 20:24
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I'm sorry to say this but the Commies did this best. No publicity, no fuss, middle of the night two guys suddenly drag you out your bunk and haul you into a soundproofed room and blow your brains out through your face into a thick wooden beam in a corner to catch the bullet, body quietly disposed of. The Hallmark movie that is American capital justice is a sloppy, bored titjob that both parties just want to get over with in comparison.
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Feb 4, 2015 20:32
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WarpedNaba posted:Some serious goalpost-shifting from the retarded bleeding hearts in this thread. I don't know. Whatever level is necessary for the survivors to give up on calling themselves ISIS and go back to wherever to get married and have kids that they tell to leave that jihad poo poo alone because it just leads to Americans splattering you across hot rocks out in the middle of nowhere.
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Feb 4, 2015 20:38
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OZYMANDICKASS posted:Of course it does. A ruling entity should abide by it's own rules and timelines. If the State of Texas says you're going to be executed 5 years from now, but then executes you tomorrow because your brother gently caress's the Sherrif's wife, the state is only undermining it's own authority. Godholio fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Feb 4, 2015 |
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Feb 4, 2015 20:53
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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:youre a wizzard harry! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm0iCIfF-Vs
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Zeris posted:I like this thread again. Still not enough nukes, but that's just the story of my life.
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Feb 5, 2015 00:12
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Godholio posted:Is that what happened, or did you insert an arbitrary variable to avoid looking retarded? Were they not executed, when they were executed, because a Jordanian pilot was horrifically murdered by being set on fire? I think there's a direct correlation there. People justifiably want to do horrible things to people in the name of vengeance/justice, but ideally the rule of law holds against the tide of public opinion when your enemy knows no law but that which is written by the prophet or whatever the gently caress they use to justify sawing peoples heads off. ISIL doing their gruesome lovely thing should be an opportunity to rally the salvageable parts of the middle east around rule of law (and in turn, gently caress you Jordan et al) representative democracy. ISIL's shittiness could do what our 10+ years of pussy-footed shittiness could not. The alternative seems to be that everyone gradually slides down to ISIL's level until Uncle Sam inevitably puts boots on the ground in the name of DEFEATING EVIL. Of course it won't just be ISIL at that point, it will be whatever butt loving lovely mess is present once the whole neighborhood gets sucked into the cycle of vengeance and offspring conflicts. Richard Bong posted:In an ideal society yes, it matters. In a no loving poo poo monarchy in 2015 that has sand nazis next door this is such a nonsense and insignificant complaint that I can't help but think that the only reason it matters to you is that it was on Fox or whatever. Yeah it's almost like I've seen a nation of retards, devastated by tragedy, fast-track RIGHTEOUS AND DECISIVE ACTION and then pay the price for the next 10+ years. And not a goddamn thing to show for it. But this is different because, unlike Saddam's regime, or the Taliban, ISIL is "evil", right? NO BUT LIKE ACTUALLY EVIL. SERIOUS BRUH. And everyone knows the last 10+ years of misadventures only failed because.. we weren't fighting ACTUAL EVIL.
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Zeroisanumber posted:I don't know. Whatever level is necessary for the survivors to give up on calling themselves ISIS and go back to wherever to get married and have kids that they tell to leave that jihad poo poo alone because it just leads to Americans splattering you across hot rocks out in the middle of nowhere. These are some of the same people who have been fighting and getting killed since like 2004. ISIS is literally AQI + time + Syrian civil war. We killed them for a while, the Iraqis killed them for a while, the Syrians killed them for a while, and even the local loving al-Qaeda franchise kills them when it gets the chance and they're still the energizer bunnies of transnational terror. So yeah, we're going to need to kill literally every last one before we call it good.
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OZYMANDICKASS posted:Yeah it's almost like I've seen a nation of retards, devastated by tragedy, fast-track RIGHTEOUS AND DECISIVE ACTION and then pay the price for the next 10+ years. And not a goddamn thing to show for it. I don't think you get that the King of Jordan's job is to keep a bunch of tribes from clawing each other's throats out. That whole region absolutely functions like a ridiculous holdover from medieval times with a window dressing of AK-47s and Toyotas, and while it's amazing that Jordan compares so well to everyone else in terms of modern societal values it's still a very long way from becoming anything like a sane, modern nation. Generally, I think it's real hosed up to execute prisoners. I don't agree with the death penalty. In this case, though, the King absolutely made a wise call icing those two fuckers when he was looking down the barrel of a tribal insurrection if he didn't act, and they had already been on death row. If you call that sinking down to ISIL's level then great, so's pretty much the rest of the world and I might as well start chopping necks and keeping sex slaves then. Hell, the US's actions after 9/11 were probably way more reactionary and far less justified in practical terms if you want to put it that way. Nobody was going to start slaughtering the royal presidential family in 2001 if we hadn't gone to war. All hail King Abdullah. Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Feb 5, 2015 |
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GENDERWEIRD GREEDO posted:I don't think you get that the King of Jordan's job is to keep a bunch of tribes from clawing each other's throats out. I think Vermis' complaint is rooted in philosophical ideas of power and authority. You're looking at it from the a realpolitik/'well Jordan didn't really have a choice because that dead dude's bros would have been unhappy'.
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I know next to nothing about Jordan other than the QT from there who goes to my school. My beef is entirely with Americans enthusiastically supporting the executions as if they accomplished anything at all in defeating ISIL. edit: I'll give you that Jordan staying stable despite it's faults could be considered a "win", low as the bar has been set in the region.
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MassivelyBuckNegro posted:I think Vermis' complaint is rooted in philosophical ideas of power and authority. I guess I can see that. I look at things more like "here are the compromises you have to make on the road to some ideal", and I'm not likely to condemn leadership in absolute terms if I can picture the context they're acting in and have some confidence that they're moving in the right direction. OZYMANDICKASS posted:I know next to nothing about Jordan other than the QT from there who goes to my school. Oh yeah I agree that Americans cheerleading this as some major blow probably isn't too wise. The executions aren't going to affect ISIL for poo poo, it's the barrage of airstrikes and support for the Kurds that will.
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GENDERWEIRD GREEDO posted:I don't think you get that the King of Jordan's job is to keep a bunch of tribes from clawing each other's throats out. That whole region absolutely functions like a ridiculous holdover from medieval times with a window dressing of AK-47s and Toyotas, and while it's amazing that Jordan compares so well to everyone else in terms of modern societal values it's still a very long way from becoming anything like a sane, modern nation. I like to think that's got a lot to do with the King being a god damned Trekkie. They're even building a $1.5b Star Trek theme park.
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Accretionist posted:I like to think that's got a lot to do with the King being a god damned Trekkie. They're even building a $1.5b Star Trek theme park. In his next act he'll abolish the concept of scarcity
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I just like dead assholes. Doesn't really matter to me how they die.
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USMC503 posted:I just like dead assholes. Doesn't really matter to me how they die.
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