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Ferrinus posted:Here's the thing: this might literally be good. It implies, for instance, that "Brawl" is the default ability on everyone's character sheet. It correctly models the fact that "the martial arts" are a body of esoteric techniques that don't actually come naturally to anyone and need to be learned on top of normal fighting. True. Martial Arts replacing Brawl when you buy the merit would make sense. Sadly, this doesn't appear to be the case.
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It's definitely pure orientalism.Kenlon posted:True. Martial Arts replacing Brawl when you buy the merit would make sense. Sadly, this doesn't appear to be the case. I think it's actually better as its own unique Ability that you use Merits to "link up" to various styles and weapons. I mean it'd be better if it didn't exist at all, but if it already does..
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Attorney at Funk posted:What is Exalted beyond just orientalism and semantics? Applause. But you're really just furthering my argument. If all melee is just boiled orientalism, there's no call to make an ability distinction between one kind of sword-swinging and another.
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Feb 5, 2015 00:37
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Oh god.Ferrinus posted:But do I make Martial Arts rolls to use Shining Point, or do I make Melee rolls? Martial Arts Ferrinus posted:If I make Martial Arts rolls, can I also make Martial Arts rolls to just use a sword in general? What do I pay for that privilege? All Martial Arts styles are separate. So you can have an MA rating of 5 in Single Point Shining in the Void and a rating of 2 in Tiger Style. Sort of like how you had separate ratings for Craft Earth and Craft Fire in 2E Exalted. This is why I said MA was a big point sink in my earlier post to Nivek. Ferrinus posted:Can I make a character who can't use Martial Arts for unarmed fighting, and only for rolls involving swords? Yes. You're not mastering Martial Arts in general, you're only mastering Martial Arts associated with single styles. So if all you have is dots in Single Point Shining in the Void, then you can't use Martial Arts without a sword.
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Ferrinus posted:Yes, we've known that style existed since forever. But do I make Martial Arts rolls to use Shining Point, or do I make Melee rolls? If I make Martial Arts rolls, can I also make Martial Arts rolls to just use a sword in general? What do I pay for that privilege? Can I make a character who can't use Martial Arts for unarmed fighting, and only for rolls involving swords? You make Martial Arts (Single Point Shining Into The Void) rolls, which is separate from your Martial Arts (Tiger) rolls or you Martial Arts (Fire Dragon) rolls. This is exactly as terrible as it sounds.
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It should be noted that Martial Arts are strong as gently caress though. Even the weakest ones are so powerful at their niche that they justify the purchase if you can use them in their element. I would not say they are broken, but it's definitely a path to success that is amply compensated for the barrier to entry. In general, every single ability except Resistance feels like it pays off massively if you go all-in on it, really.
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Bedlamdan posted:All Martial Arts styles are separate. So you can have an MA rating of 5 in Single Point Shining in the Void and a rating of 2 in Tiger Style. Sort of like how you had separate ratings for Craft Earth and Craft Fire in 2E Exalted. This is why I said MA was a big point sink in my earlier post to Nivek. I assume Shining Point doesn't have Prereq: Brawl 1?
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Feb 5, 2015 00:47
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Ferrinus posted:I assume Shining Point doesn't have Prereq: Brawl 1? It does. No way to get around the taxes, because the Martial Arts merit (which does nothing but let you learn marts) calls for it.
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Bedlamdan posted:All Martial Arts styles are separate. So you can have an MA rating of 5 in Single Point Shining in the Void and a rating of 2 in Tiger Style. Sort of like how you had separate ratings for Craft Earth and Craft Fire in 2E Exalted. This is why I said MA was a big point sink in my earlier post to Nivek. That is really loving stupid.
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Ferrinus posted:I assume Shining Point doesn't have Prereq: Brawl 1? It does, actually. The Merit that NIV3K mentioned applies to all MA styles, so at the very least you don't need to keep on repurchasing the merit over and over for every new style. You still need to buy the individual dots for Single Point though, and you'd need to buy another set of dots to learn Righteous Devil. Old Kentucky Shark posted:That is really loving stupid. There are better mechanics in the book, but Craft and MA had some bad ideas. At the very least the MA styles aren't Scroll of the Monk levels of worthless, so if you want to use a singular MA style for fighting you won't be gimped. Bedlamdan fucked around with this message at 00:54 on Feb 5, 2015 |
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Bedlamdan posted:At the very least the MA styles aren't Scroll of the Monk levels of worthless, so if you want to use a singular MA style for fighting you won't be gimped.
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NIV3K posted:Yeah, instead they are some of the most efficient charms in the game. I've only looked at Single Point Shining in the Void, but it does look like a cut above standard Solar Melee. I guess the point is that unlike 2E, styles aren't supposed to be mixed and matched to the same level? You CAN mix and match MA styles though, the option is still there. But if you want Righteous Devil and Single Point Shining in the Void, you'll still have to buy dots and charms for both styles and keep a sword in one hand and a firewand in the other.
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Bedlamdan posted:I've only looked at Single Point Shining in the Void, but it does look like a cut above standard Solar Melee. I guess the point is that unlike 2E, styles aren't supposed to be mixed and matched to the same level? You CAN mix and match MA styles though, the option is still there. But if you want Righteous Devil and Single Point Shining in the Void, you'll still have to buy dots and charms for both styles and keep a sword in one hand and a firewand in the other. Solar Melee probably beats Single Point Shining actually. Just not at its gimmick.
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Selective Conception (•)—Innate The character enjoys full conscious control over his or her fertility, never running the risk of unwanted pregnancy. Perhaps this is the result of years of cultivated control of body and Essence, a divine blessing, or simply the benefit of lucky birth. Both sexes may withhold fertility when they wish. Female characters may pay one Willpower to ensure conception, and will automatically know when they’re pregnant; male characters do not gain this benefit. this will be useful for all those narrated sex scenes my gaming group is so comfortable with
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Bedlamdan posted:I guess the point was that unlike 2E, styles aren't supposed to be mixed and matched to the same level? You CAN mix and match MA styles though, the option is still there. But if you want Righteous Devil and Single Point Shining in the Void, you'll still have to buy dots and charms for both styles and keep a sword in one hand and a firewand in the other. Also, Sidereal Excellency is 1m/+1 Dice (max Essence) and may lower Target Number (min. 4) for 1m/-1 TN. Can someone who is good at math tell me how good/bad this is?
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tatankatonk posted:this will be useful for all those narrated sex scenes my gaming group is so comfortable with Unless a player or ST feels uncomfortable, in which case they can use the Red Rule to just veto the whole thing no questions asked. NIV3K posted:Yeah, they've put a wall in the way. But it's weird think that Dragon-Blooded will have these powers. I'm not saying that I think Dragon-Blooded should get poo poo, it's just going to take some adjustment in how I think about the different types of Exalted now. The Celestial tag means that unless they're Immaculate Trained or PCs, they'll get nerfed versions of the charms.
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Bedlamdan posted:There are better mechanics in the book, but Craft and MA had some bad ideas. At the very least the MA styles aren't Scroll of the Monk levels of worthless, so if you want to use a singular MA style for fighting you won't be gimped. When I think of things from 2e to copy, "Craft dots" was not something I ever expected to see pop up.
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:No, I get it; it's still just really loving stupid. I'm not denying that, it's a pretty bad idea.
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Bedlamdan posted:Unless a player or ST feels uncomfortable, in which case they can use the Red Rule to just veto the whole thing no questions asked. Players doing their best to ignore creepy sex poo poo in a game so they can have fun doing the other stuff? This is a breakthrough, and surely unique to Exalted.
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:No, I get it; it's still just really loving stupid. I don't know - having individual martial arts as their own ability isn't too bad. The requirement for brawl 1 before you can buy the MA merit is dumb though.
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tatankatonk posted:Selective Conception (•)—Innate Ugh. Here's a tip game designers, if you have to add "biologically" to your rule so it makes sense for trans characters, just remove that rule. There's enough battle of the sexes poo poo in the real live world. Also what happens when the man is withholding fertility and the woman uses her willpower expenditure ability? theironjef fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Feb 5, 2015 |
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An individual skill for each style is the second-best way to implement martial arts. (The best way is to make them all use standard skills like Brawl and Melee, just with merit prereqs). Here's what I expect to see, though: a Solar Charm that just lets you spend 1xp to buy any martial art's skill up to the level of your highest, or something. I can deal with all martial arts requiring Brawl 1 to learn, but it is just stupid for favoring Brawl to automatically translate into favoring Martial Arts, as opposed to favoring [your combat skill of choice] translating into favoring Martial Arts.
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Ferrinus posted:An individual skill for each style is the second-best way to implement martial arts. (The best way is to make them all use standard skills like Brawl and Melee, just with merit prereqs). Here's what I expect to see, though: a Solar Charm that just lets you spend 1xp to buy any martial art's skill up to the level of your highest, or something. It ain't core, at any rate.
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Ferrinus posted:An individual skill for each style is the second-best way to implement martial arts. (The best way is to make them all use standard skills like Brawl and Melee, just with merit prereqs). Here's what I expect to see, though: a Solar Charm that just lets you spend 1xp to buy any martial art's skill up to the level of your highest, or something. Hmm at that point it seems like it would do well to be uncoupled from Martial Arts and just become Advanced Ability trees. So like you could have one for biotech or genesis craft that requires a craft dot to buy into, or even turn noted local sacred cow/albatross Bureaucracy into an advanced Socialize Merit.
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It seems that Christmas... came early.
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theironjef posted:Also what happens when the man is withholding fertility and the woman uses her willpower expenditure ability?
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Ferrinus posted:It seems that Christmas... came early. Hmm, no, I've double checked and the minimum three minutes have passed. This is well within parameters.
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I'm normally the first to poo poo all over that sort of neepery, but I'm actually okay with the Martial Arts rule. An optional specialist skill which is used for optional specialist powers which is more potent but unlocked through an expenditure... it's a bit baroque, but it fits together pretty neatly. It's complex, but it's not bullshit.
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Feb 5, 2015 01:49
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It reminds me of Do and Kailindo.
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I think every martial art having its own skill is terrible. I don't mind a merit buy-in, but a character's skill with Melee weapons in general and formalized sword martial arts should have some overlap, at least. Barring any unforseen complications or system implosions, my first house rule will be that martial arts are still gated behind a merit, but after that use whichever skill makes the most sense. Making martial arts work like an even clumsier version of 2e's Craft skill is the opposite of progress.
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MonsieurChoc posted:It reminds me of Do and Kailindo.
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tatankatonk posted:Selective Conception (•)—Innate lmao which one of you morons is spending money to buy tatankatonk red text avatars for making fun of sex charms. I know you want to brag, just let it out Crion fucked around with this message at 02:49 on Feb 5, 2015 |
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You should of expect us.
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Crion posted:lmao which of you morons is spending money to buy tatankatonk red text avatars for making fun of sex charms. I know you want to brag, just let it out I love how RPGnet is considered the defining "passive aggressive" RPG forum instead of the place where it's considered de rigueur to spend $10 just to anonymously slag off on someone for making an internet post you don't like.
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What dark corner of the internet do I have to sacrifice myself to for this?
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Oh man, 3E might be taking a similar route to re-doing the Lunar fluff as we took for our own games. They even split the Silver Pact off as the loose alliance of warlords intent of tearing down the Realm, leaving room for the Sun King Senechals and Winding Path and others to do their own thing. If the Senechals still have all five original Lunar castes I'm going to laugh for days.
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Calde posted:Oh man, 3E might be taking a similar route to re-doing the Lunar fluff as we took for our own games. They even split the Silver Pact off as the loose alliance of warlords intent of tearing down the Realm, leaving room for the Sun King Senechals and Winding Path and others to do their own thing. If the Senechals still have all five original Lunar castes I'm going to laugh for days. It doesn't look like they'll have anything other than the first three castes, but it's nice that Lunar Bond is no longer a thing.
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Kai Tave posted:I love how RPGnet is considered the defining "passive aggressive" RPG forum instead of the place where it's considered de rigueur to spend $10 just to anonymously slag off on someone for making an internet post you don't like. rpgnet is a poo poo hole it's true. gently caress need this leak though
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Bedlamdan posted:It doesn't look like they'll have anything other than the first three castes, but it's nice that Lunar Bond is no longer a thing. I was kind of exasperated at the Lunar fluff at first glance - it feels very strongly like a reaction against 2e, rather than driven from any raw source - but I'm not prepared to give it too much poo poo until I see how it's expanded on in practice. I haven't really read the leak fully yet, been busy, but I'm really looking forward to it.
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slut chan posted:What dark corner of the internet do I have to sacrifice myself to for this?  so nobody's gonna be giving you an answer.
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