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Kazinsal posted:No no, you've totally missed my point. And you've missed my point. which is don't waste money when you can get the same result for cheaper. Also, I am a teacher, we don't get overtime. I get paid salary.
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sauer kraut posted:Going for quality of life/silent operation and strict TDP limits like Intel does for CPUs was absolutely the correct choice. There's speculation that Arctic Islands in 2016 (which comes after PI) is supposed to be a veiled hint at a generation where they tweak for efficiency.
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And once it comes out, they'll get about a year of market parity with Nvidia before Team Green comes out with the next Big Thing That Makes More Money Than Gaming GPUs and changes everything again.
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my mini itx shoebox would rather not have an extra 100W of pointless heat being dumped inside it. Efficiency matters to me and my wallet < >
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Feb 5, 2015 02:24
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Factory Factory posted:And once it comes out, they'll get about a year of market parity with Nvidia before Team Green comes out with the next Big Thing That Makes More Money Than Gaming GPUs and changes everything again. Yes, unfortunately the lack of competition from AMD allows Nvidia to get away with atrocities like "TITAN" and 780ti. I really gulped paying 580 bucks for a GPU this time but hey AMD did the same thing with the 7970 on launch.
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Feb 5, 2015 02:26
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People are unhappy with Nvidia's response 970's memory issue so the best thing to do would be to give them more money.  http://imgur.com/SRum08k
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Feb 5, 2015 02:54
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Factory Factory posted:And once it comes out, they'll get about a year of market parity with Nvidia before Team Green comes out with the next Big Thing That Makes More Money Than Gaming GPUs and changes everything again. Well, stacked memory was *supposed* to be Pascal's thing. But since HMC went nowhere and they're having to use AMD-Hynix's HBM, I think parity will last a little longer than that.
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Feb 5, 2015 03:45
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Well, stacked memory was *supposed* to be Pascal's thing. But since HMC went nowhere and they're having to use AMD-Hynix's HBM, I think parity will last a little longer than that. Dude, AMD is [soon to be] dead, just let it go. AMD basically wraps it up, 2017. I'll toxx on this if you want to set the rules because I'll gladly eat a ban to be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I won't.
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Feb 5, 2015 05:29
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Ragingsheep posted:People are unhappy with Nvidia's response 970's memory issue so the best thing to do would be to give them more money. Tell me they are heavily discounting the cards or allowing people to jump a line to get a card that's really hard to get???
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FaustianQ posted:Dude, AMD is [soon to be] dead, just let it go. Well, my gut feeling is that AMD as a whole company is on the turnaround. I feel that their CPU products have been waiting on technology to catch up with their ideas, and that their GPU products are fine. Not exceptional, but fine. But really, whether or not you eat a ban is entirely up to you. Don't let me stand in the way of your committing sudoku. Really though, My investment in seeing AMD survive is purely from the "everyone wins when there's competition" angle. Don't tell me that NVidia would keep pushing their R&D to make better tech to get ahead of everyone else if AMD suddenly ceased to exist. That's not how for-profit companies work. I'll buy either company's cards, depending on which provides me the best price/performance ratio. To date, there have been no vendor-specific features that I have absolutely had to have. In flipping back and forth between ATI/AMD and Nvidia every new card (that's just how it winds up) my only preference has been that AMD handles switching and activating/deactivating multiple monitors better than Nvidia, because they put all those controls right there in the system tray icon. But really, you should be rooting for AMD too, because otherwise we'll just have another Intel lazily incrementing their process tech instead of looking for that next big technological advancement. SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 09:45 on Feb 5, 2015 |
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Feb 5, 2015 09:41
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Well, my gut feeling is that AMD as a whole company is on the turnaround. I feel that their CPU products have been waiting on technology to catch up with their ideas, and that their GPU products are fine. Not exceptional, but fine. But really, whether or not you eat a ban is entirely up to you. Don't let me stand in the way of your committing sudoku. I've been advocating for Samsung to buy AMD and repurchase the x86 license for 4 years now.
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Darkpriest667 posted:I've been advocating for Samsung to buy AMD and repurchase the x86 license for 4 years now. I'd love to see what Intel would do if Nvidia started to produce a x86 processor.
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Aren't the K1 and X1 capable of running x86 code? Nvidia claims it as a new architecture that emulates both ARM and X86 with 15% more performance than similar mobile chips that are locked into one architecture. Then there's all that talk about bundling like 15 X1's onto a small form factor board and selling them as Grid servers for high efficiency, low cost streaming. Part of the "desktops are dying!" freakout so they want you to buy one powerful box and remote into it with your tablet, phone or a cheap economy PC with a low end nvidia GPU. Of course the current K1 devices show there are still teething problems, when switching between shield optimized x86 Source engine games and older ARM apps that don't use Material you get some weird graphical corruption until the game is removed from memory. Android 5.0.2 is supposed to fix that and the WiFi bug but it's taking a while.
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I still don't get all that whining. We all agree that nvidia f*cked up, don't we? "The 970 works as intended"  In other words, the 970 now has far worse tech specs than an AMD 290x but can still match or even top the benchmarks on 1080p and 1440p and can even get 980 stock performance thanks to overclocking: http://www.extremetech.com/computing/190652-overclocking-nvidias-gtx-970-gtx-980-performance-for-a-fraction-the-price So, who is finally affected? I mentioned earlier here that I bought two eVGA 970 GPUs for SLI @ 2560*1440 Gaming and I am still looking for a (non Ubisoft) game to be "reproduce" this "problem". It seems only Ubisoft Games cause problems but this is not a 970 problem; the Failsoft games run really bad on every GPU. I tested Shadow of Mordor, a game where the AMD GPUS outperform the nvidia GPUs: 1440p is my gaming "scenario" for me: 2560*1440 with ULTRA Settings (+object blur) and 6 GB ultra textures: avg: 98 max: 216 min: 42 Well, that was the benchmark, ingame I have stable 60-90 frames; this runs superb. So the 6 GB Texturepack runs on my "3,5 GB" 970s; it caps at 3,5 GB to 3,7 GB but it just works. I would buy my 970s anytime again for 1440p gaming. Most people I know still are gaming on 1080p where 3,5GB+ should not be an issue right now. After I watched tweak PCs videos that showed Shadow of Mordor stuttering on the 290x as well it is obvious that some people want to find problems so hard where they may affect only few players. Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCeg6EQKYQo watch 2:07 and a stuttering 290x. Now what happened here? So the 290x has even more memory issues with "real" 4 GB VRAM, is that right? After all I was not able to reproduce problems on my 970s that would be right called a "970 VRAM problem". I may do something right...or wrong then. Mr.PayDay fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Feb 5, 2015 |
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Feb 5, 2015 14:54
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Mr.PayDay posted:In other words, the 970 now has far worse tech specs than an AMD 290x Could you elaborate on this? Which specs are far worse?
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Subjunctive posted:Could you elaborate on this? Which specs are far worse? Lower number of ROPs, narrower memory bus, less VRAM in the majority of real-world use cases, probably more than I can't think of off the top of my head.
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Feb 5, 2015 15:39
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Darkpriest667 posted:Let me straighten you out some. for those of us that fold 247 on our rigs (for science my friend not for porn) You can fold for porn?
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Sure, if you're into self-interacting big beautiful molecules.
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Factory Factory posted:Sure, if you're into self-interacting big beautiful molecules. Self interacting is kinda the entire point of porn.
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I look forward to the day that AMD goes under and Nvidia starts selling GPUs for no less than 500 bucks. Lets all root for the failure of AMD, monopolies always work out alright for the consumer.
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veedubfreak posted:I look forward to the day that AMD goes under and Nvidia starts selling GPUs for no less than 500 bucks. Lets all root for the failure of AMD, monopolies always work out alright for the consumer. That world already exists, it's called "anywhere that isn't the US". An MSI Gaming 4G GTX 980 costs no less than the local equivalent of 720 US dollars in Denmark. E: Shopping around a bit, it looks like it can be had for as little as $688 at the cheapest. So, y'know, that's nice.
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Kazinsal posted:No no, you've totally missed my point. If you're really trying to do something for the good of mankind you'll stop buying a new computer every other year and use the one you've got till it is completely dead. The earth is a closed system. Mining sites, manufacturing plants and landfills are all disgusting places.
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veedubfreak posted:I look forward to the day that AMD goes under and Nvidia starts selling GPUs for no less than 500 bucks. Lets all root for the failure of AMD, monopolies always work out alright for the consumer. thats seriously not our fault and is no reason to gloss over badness from either party
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veedubfreak posted:I look forward to the day that AMD goes under and Nvidia starts selling GPUs for no less than 500 bucks. Lets all root for the failure of AMD, monopolies always work out alright for the consumer. Intel seems to be pushing ahead pretty hard, and I wouldn't say that there is robust competition in the non-mobile CPU market.
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Subjunctive posted:Intel seems to be pushing ahead pretty hard, and I wouldn't say that there is robust competition in the non-mobile CPU market. There is an alternative, though. AMD CPUs are great for fanboys and people who haven't put together a gaming computer since 2002 and think nothing's changed, since they leave more Intel CPUs for people who know how to research in TYOOL 2015.
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veedubfreak posted:I look forward to the day that AMD goes under and Nvidia starts selling GPUs for no less than 500 bucks. Lets all root for the failure of AMD, monopolies always work out alright for the consumer. Eh the psychological barriers have been set for years. A low mid cpu/gpu that barely scrapes by is 100/150$, midrange sweet spot (i5, 960, R9 280) 200$, and the good stuff (i7, 970) 330$ Good luck breaking those anytime soon. AMD can suck dick, every time they come out with something that's competitive they charge an arm and a leg after dropping smug tweets and youtube videos. Now that doesn't happen often, but you may remember the 1000$ Bulldozer CPU or the aforementioned 7970.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Well, my gut feeling is that AMD as a whole company is on the turnaround. I feel that their CPU products have been waiting on technology to catch up with their ideas, and that their GPU products are fine. Not exceptional, but fine. But really, whether or not you eat a ban is entirely up to you. Don't let me stand in the way of your committing sudoku. veedubfreak posted:I look forward to the day that AMD goes under and Nvidia starts selling GPUs for no less than 500 bucks. Lets all root for the failure of AMD, monopolies always work out alright for the consumer. You guys are behaving like somehow that monopoly hasn't defacto existed for awhile and that AMD hasn't just been propped up like a dead corpse by miners and fools. 300 series will flop, Zen won't match skylake and the 400 series won't compete with the more capable Geforce 1000 cards. AMD will die and no one will notice and things will continue on as before because the demands from high end users will continue to put pressure on Intel and Nvidia to innovate at the same or better price point. The death of AMD is not the techpocalypse. AMD is already VIA, they are already noncompetitive. I could root for AMD until I turn loving blue, that basically means nothing as far as them being a good company which can remain competitive.
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Has this been poster here yet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spZJrsssPA0 It's pretty good IMO.
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Truga posted:Has this been poster here yet? Yeah, several days ago. But yes, it's pretty great.
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veedubfreak posted:I look forward to the day that AMD goes under and Nvidia starts selling GPUs for no less than 500 bucks. Lets all root for the failure of AMD, monopolies always work out alright for the consumer. I absolutely want AMD as a competitor, but I'm not going to cheer them on or buy their products when they are inferior for my preferences (fast, low noise, hassle free).
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Ragingsheep posted:People are unhappy with Nvidia's response 970's memory issue so the best thing to do would be to give them more money. Uhh, would I be a total twat for taking them up on that offer? edit: I wonder if my credit card company would let me do a charge back for false advertising/bait and switch? r0ck0 fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Feb 5, 2015 |
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Friendly reminder for folks saying AMD is on its way out: their CPUs and GPUs are in the Xbone and PS4. I'd bet $5 that MS and Sony looked into the company more than glossing over their Wikipedia page. I'd also wager that 33 million (estimated combined lifetime) console sales and counting doesn't hurt. I'd love to know how many GPUs (and SHIELDS lol) Nvidia has to sell to balance that out. One answer is they both sell a lot so yay they're both alive and competing.
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AMD has the consoles, Nvidia has the Tegra (ARM Cortex SoC with a handful of GeForce cores). Both aren't going anywhere, and there will always be PC gamers and there will always be brand fanboys.
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It would just be nice if AMD would get with the process stepping, aren't all their CPUs and GPUs on 28nm processes?
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Their CPUs are worse. The FX series is still on 32nm ( ) and their APUs  )e: i am a dumb Kazinsal fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Feb 5, 2015 |
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Rastor posted:It would just be nice if AMD would get with the process stepping, aren't all their CPUs and GPUs on 28nm processes? I don't see the point of a steamroller AM3+ 28nm CPU? Kazinsal posted:Their CPUs are worse. The FX series is still on 32nm ( Kabini/Kaveri is 28nm???
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FaustianQ posted:Kabini/Kaveri is 28nm??? Oh, so it is. Wikipedia's servers are doing weird poo poo today and I'm getting pages doing even stranger poo poo. Their upcoming Excavator-based APUs are still 28nm though.
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teh_Broseph posted:Friendly reminder for folks saying AMD is on its way out: their CPUs and GPUs are in the Xbone and PS4. I'd bet $5 that MS and Sony looked into the company more than glossing over their Wikipedia page. What were their options? Intel's integrated GPUs are getting better, but are still too slow for game machines and Intel doesn't do custom packages so no SoC. The various ARM SoCs are getting faster but are still no replacement for desktop hardware. The only other realistic option was probably something PowerPC based, but that's another situation where you either deal with the hassle and cost of discrete CPU/GPU solution or make your own completely custom SoC from the ground up. AMD was already in the APU business so they were essentially a one-stop-shop for custom SoC solutions. Most developers were probably happy at the prospect of dealing with a uniform x64 landscape as well. I would also imagine that there is some clause in the contract that lets device makers take over fabrication if AMD goes out of business.
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Rastor posted:It would just be nice if AMD would get with the process stepping, aren't all their CPUs and GPUs on 28nm processes? That's not AMD's fault, that's TSMC's. They've had their 16nm process delayed again and again. and their troubles with their 20nm process means we probably won't see any of those, either. Both AMD and Nvidia are looking to jump to the next node past 20nm already. AMD has moved their 28nm parts over to GloFo's 28nm SHP to squeeze out a bump in clock speeds in the meantime. GlobalFoundries recently entered into a partnership with Samsung to license their 14nm FinFET process. It's rumored that the partnership has yielded enough capacity that AMD could just use GloFo exclusively for all their parts. AMD is scheduled to at least start using GloFo's 14nm LPP process by the end of the year, though. (Sampling Zen, perhaps?) Let's be clear, GloFo can offer 14nm LPE process chips now, but AMD is ostensibly waiting on LPP to come online, because it has better performance in a couple of areas. Nvidia is sticking with TSMC (presumably because they don't have as nice a relationship with GloFo) and are still slated to use their 16nm process. But unless something happens with TSMC's 20nm process that dramatically changes things, expect more 28nm parts out of both of them.
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