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Factor Mystic
Mar 20, 2006

Baby's First Post-Apocalyptic Fiction
I really want to find out if Windows (Phone) 10 will be losing Rooms, given that feature loss with version increase is the norm. I'd really like to find out before I upgrade my phone, rather than completing the upgrade and then realizing I've lost all access.

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xylo
Feb 21, 2007
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Factor Mystic posted:

I really want to find out if Windows (Phone) 10 will be losing Rooms, given that feature loss with version increase is the norm. I'd really like to find out before I upgrade my phone, rather than completing the upgrade and then realizing I've lost all access.
Nothing announced at this time. Since this is one of the services that I help run I'll point you to any info when it becomes available.

On a personal note, I've already started moving over to a straight shared calendar with my wife and just using mms for group texting. From my usage, what I found was that if I wanted to share a picture I was always just MMSing it to my wife anyway. Likewise texting to my daughter/wife. I guess I think the feature wasn't developed enough for my needs to use it over existing inertia?

ljw1004
Jan 18, 2005

rum

xylo posted:

On a personal note, I've already started moving over to a straight shared calendar with my wife and just using mms for group texting.

I set up a "Family Calendar" on my Windows Phone, shared with my wife using her iPhone.

For all appointments that she creates, it routinely screws up the timezone -- sometimes showing them a day early on my phone, sometimes showing them 8 hours out from where she set them (we live at GMT+8).

Does anyone know about this? How to fix it?

xylo
Feb 21, 2007
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ljw1004 posted:

I set up a "Family Calendar" on my Windows Phone, shared with my wife using her iPhone.

For all appointments that she creates, it routinely screws up the timezone -- sometimes showing them a day early on my phone, sometimes showing them 8 hours out from where she set them (we live at GMT+8).

Does anyone know about this? How to fix it?
I don't have an iphone handy to test so I'm not sure how it works. Sorry.

Factor Mystic
Mar 20, 2006

Baby's First Post-Apocalyptic Fiction

xylo posted:

Nothing announced at this time. Since this is one of the services that I help run I'll point you to any info when it becomes available.

On a personal note, I've already started moving over to a straight shared calendar with my wife and just using mms for group texting. From my usage, what I found was that if I wanted to share a picture I was always just MMSing it to my wife anyway. Likewise texting to my daughter/wife. I guess I think the feature wasn't developed enough for my needs to use it over existing inertia?

The guy running the service isn't using it. Great :smith:.

Here's my perspective. a) Group texting sucks b) I don't have mms c) shared calendars & pictures & text in one place. Room pictures already lost captions in the 8.0 => 8.1 downgrade, and now the feature is probably going to be dropped entirely since nobody wants to talk about it.

I wonder if any origial WP7 features at all will make it to W(P)10.

xylo
Feb 21, 2007
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Factor Mystic posted:

The guy running the service isn't using it. Great :smith:.

I wonder if any origial WP7 features at all will make it to W(P)10.
Hey I still have several rooms, I just don't use them for the stated reasons. I think they promised a phone flight for this month so you'll be able to see what's going on soon enough.

Tanith
Jul 17, 2005


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xylo posted:

I think they promised a phone flight for this month so you'll be able to see what's going on soon enough.

Well I hope to god there are rumblings about a flagship soon because my Lumia 900 is getting senile.

CalvinandHobbes
Aug 5, 2004

Tanith posted:

Well I hope to god there are rumblings about a flagship soon because my Lumia 900 is getting senile.

Current rumblings are July at earliest, more likely august/September. Yeah, I now, Microsoft is making it hard to remain on board this platform as an enthusiast. You could pick up a used 920/830 for 120-300 from swappa or Amazon? Both of those would be hardware wise huge upgrade from the 900 and then do a proper upgrade once the 940 (god I wish it would be a 1040 but that looks unlikely) comes out.

redbackground
Sep 24, 2007

BEHOLD!
OPTIC BLAST!
Grimey Drawer
Just wanted to let you know that the app is so much snappier now and thank you.

MobMentality
Aug 22, 2007

I'm Mike Doyle.
Seems faster.

Myrddin_Emrys
Mar 27, 2007

by Hand Knit
So I updated to Denim today. What new features can I expect? I already had Cortana from the last update as my phone was preloaded with 8.1 on my 930.

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012
New Awful app now less awful. Thanks man! The forum listing is still all cacked up, but if no one else is experiencing this I'll chalk it up to my phone being bizarre! Either way, much more useable now.

Drastic Actions
Apr 7, 2009

FUCK YOU!
GET PUMPED!
Nap Ghost

Jeherrin posted:

New Awful app now less awful. Thanks man! The forum listing is still all cacked up, but if no one else is experiencing this I'll chalk it up to my phone being bizarre! Either way, much more useable now.

You'll probably have to uninstall/reinstall to refresh that list (it's stored in a database, and I took out the way to refresh it :v:), so it will always be wrong until you do that, or I make a refresh function.

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012

Drastic Actions posted:

You'll probably have to uninstall/reinstall to refresh that list (it's stored in a database, and I took out the way to refresh it :v:), so it will always be wrong until you do that, or I make a refresh function.

Reinstall fixed it... for the first opening only! After that, back to the weird reverse ordering.

I'm not so fussed about it. The crazy hang-time is gone when navigating back from threads, so everything else I'm happy to get used to as a personal idiosyncrasy of my device.

Factor Mystic
Mar 20, 2006

Baby's First Post-Apocalyptic Fiction
One of the major defects with Harmony Music right now is that intermittently & unpredictably, background audio will pause when the screen turns off. At first I thought it was just low memory devices or battery saver, but it happens with higher end devices and when plugged in. One hour it'll work and then you'll go to play something and it'll pause as soon as the screen times out. Tap the screen back on and it starts playing again. Because it's unpredictable (and never happens in the VMs) I can't reliably reproduce it nor have I been able to inspect the app in the debugger while this is happening.

If any of yall wpdevs itc have any thoughts on this it'd be most appreciated.

OldPueblo
May 2, 2007

Likes to argue. Wins arguments with ignorant people. Not usually against educated people, just ignorant posters. Bing it.

Myrddin_Emrys posted:

So I updated to Denim today. What new features can I expect? I already had Cortana from the last update as my phone was preloaded with 8.1 on my 930.

I don't know a definitive list, but here are the highlights:

*Hey Cortana under settings if you have a 930 set to US region.
*Install Lumia Camera app and get faster/better pictures with rich capture and 4k recording.

Mr Funkface
Dec 21, 2009
So enough complainy-pantsing about the poo poo state of affairs with W(P?), nothing but negative Nancies and Debbie downers all up in here. Turn those frowns upside down and think of the best thing MS could ever do to make W(P?) the best and most viable mobile platform on the market.

Hardware-wise I think generating a name for robustness and solid resilient phones without a case (water, knocks, drops) is something that's missing from the market. Think 920 vs. 1520 - size aside the heft and chunk of the 920 makes it so much more useable, even than an iPhone or Galaxy of the same size which feel too flimsy for the long haul. I personally love chunky plastic, there's too much metal trim and delicateness going on elsewhere.

So, before more on W10 for phones, three two one go.

Dr Tran
Dec 17, 2002

HE'S GOT A PH.D. IN
KICKING YOUR ASS!
1020 killer or bust

wookieepelt
Jul 23, 2009

Dr Tran posted:

1020 killer or bust

I think this is where MS can set themselves apart. Make a 1030, make it waterproof and durable as all hell. Add all the hey Cortana updates and whatnot, and reinvent Windows 10 phones as the photographer's phone.

CalvinandHobbes
Aug 5, 2004

wookieepelt posted:

I think this is where MS can set themselves apart. Make a 1030, make it waterproof and durable as all hell. Add all the hey Cortana updates and whatnot, and reinvent Windows 10 phones as the photographer's phone.

Microsoft/Nokia needs an identity for their flagship phones. They are getting the low end based on price for performance but their high end excursions have been far more mixed. The 830 for example wins at neither price or performance compared to android offerings. Waterproofing is probably not worth it as its costly from a design perspective and ends up not being a huge differentiator (or at least hasn't been a great boon for sony yet)

Photography and Camera's as the high end identity would be viable but Microsoft really needs to double down on it. The iPhone6 and Galaxy Note have mostly caught up to Lumias even up to the venerable 1020 in image quality (minus lossless zooming). Lumia camera 5s speed improvements are a great start but a Lumia 1030 with all the newfangled doodads (phase detection autofocus, xenon flash, oversampled lossless zoom and comparable shot to shot times) would probably take the crown again. Make this phone and DON'T price it at 299 on contract like the 1020 when it came out (and make it certainly cheaper than Iphone6 and the android flagships off contract) and they may have a chance.

This would probably be a loss leader proposition so Microsoft would have to be willing to eat some losses to gain higher end marketshare particularly with the hopefully competent marketing campaign the attach to this flagship launch.

More likely, we'll see the Lumia 940 launch in September on ATT only in the US at 199 on contract and 650 off contract with the carriers expected to do the marketing.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

CalvinandHobbes posted:

with the carriers expected to do the marketing.

God, I hope not. This has failed miserably in the past.

Factor Mystic
Mar 20, 2006

Baby's First Post-Apocalyptic Fiction

CalvinandHobbes posted:

Photography and Camera's as the high end identity would be viable but Microsoft really needs to double down on it. The iPhone6 and Galaxy Note have mostly caught up to Lumias even up to the venerable 1020 in image quality (minus lossless zooming).

Meh. Doesn't seem like a good basis of competition. The newer iPhones already have good enough cameras to dominate flickr's top camera lists, so what segment of the market are you actually chasing? You might win over a few photo gurus but you're not going to win over fashion oriented users who want a good-enough camera. Plus, as I have previously posted itc, Microsoft appear uninterested in competing on quality and seems to prioritize competing on price. Cheap Windows Phones won't be able to win over anyone who prioritizes photography or fashion (aka, the majority of iPhone users).

Being the "web service integrated" and "social media integrated" phone was a great angle. Of course since it was great, many of those features have now been removed from the platform.

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009
Give me the option to put optical lenses on my phone and I would be a happy camper. :colbert:

MobMentality
Aug 22, 2007

I'm Mike Doyle.

Factor Mystic posted:

Meh. Doesn't seem like a good basis of competition. The newer iPhones already have good enough cameras to dominate flickr's top camera lists, so what segment of the market are you actually chasing? You might win over a few photo gurus but you're not going to win over fashion oriented users who want a good-enough camera. Plus, as I have previously posted itc, Microsoft appear uninterested in competing on quality and seems to prioritize competing on price. Cheap Windows Phones won't be able to win over anyone who prioritizes photography or fashion (aka, the majority of iPhone users).

Being the "web service integrated" and "social media integrated" phone was a great angle. Of course since it was great, many of those features have now been removed from the platform.

Because Apple has a reputation for quality.

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009

MobMentality posted:

Because Apple has a reputation for quality.

Which is funny because they stopped using higher quality internal parts a long time ago in favor of better aesthetics design.

Now granted their mechanic design is amazing, but their quality is somehow perceived as better when in general it's really not.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

New features leaked. Primary ones I'm seeing appear to be an audio-recording app and one-handed typing mode.

I can't help but notice that the promised anouncement deadline of the Chinese New Year is approaching and I haven't heard of any upcoming press conferences. Am I out of the loop, am I jumping the gun, or is that a bad sign?

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!
I'd like to see the new Xbox Music app to know whether I can jump ship soon or not. There's been one wakelock too many for me on Android.

Guillermus
Dec 28, 2009



With some luck even if xbox music app still sucks, win 10 will bring more apps to cover the gap between ships. Even having a decent experience with android lollipop myself, I'm not liking where it is going.

Chasiubao
Apr 2, 2010


Speaking of the music app, this seems kind of nuts: Buy a music pass, get a free phone. It's a 635 which is definitely on the lower end, but it reviews okay.

I'm actually tempted since I need a temporary phone until new flagships come out anyways.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!

Guillermus posted:

With some luck even if xbox music app still sucks, win 10 will bring more apps to cover the gap between ships.
Eh, a good experience that needs to work with their streaming service is almost mandatory. Play Music All Access works too well to forego an equivalent solution on WP. I'm still crossing my fingers for Google to finally relent, but I might as well start sacrificing lambs.

Mr Funkface
Dec 21, 2009

Chasiubao posted:

Speaking of the music app, this seems kind of nuts: Buy a music pass, get a free phone. It's a 635 which is definitely on the lower end, but it reviews okay.

I'm actually tempted since I need a temporary phone until new flagships come out anyways.

This is why I got an XBox music year pass, though they had the 520s at the time. They accidentally sent two, which I never used. I gave them away to a friend and my mum which they then couldn't unlock as they were never registered with a T-mobile sim, whatever the gently caress that means.

Point is don't be bought by a lovely phone. Would you get a year pass without a phone thrown in? If no then don't.

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012
Drastic, found a weird bug! After visiting project.log, every forum is now called project.log when I visit it. Threads have the right titles, the forum listing is fine (apart from previously mentioned screwed up order), just individual forums showing the odd name.

Disappeared on restart of the app. Reproducible, though.

Drastic Actions
Apr 7, 2009

FUCK YOU!
GET PUMPED!
Nap Ghost

Jeherrin posted:

Drastic, found a weird bug!

It's not weird. I use the same view model for the thread list page, and reset the forum list when you go to it. I did not reset the title when you when you go back to it. Actually quite simple and easy to fix.

EDIT: Oh yeah, for anyone who signed up for the beta, you can download it here. I will make a new thread for the app at some point, I've just been busy with real work.

Drastic Actions fucked around with this message at 02:37 on Feb 7, 2015

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

ASK ME ABOUT MY SHITTY, BOUGIE INTERIOR DECORATING ADVICE

Drastic Actions posted:

It's not weird. I use the same view model for the thread list page, and reset the forum list when you go to it. I did not reset the title when you when you go back to it. Actually quite simple and easy to fix.

EDIT: Oh yeah, for anyone who signed up for the beta, you can download it here. I will make a new thread for the app at some point, I've just been busy with real work.

I signed up for the beta, but it says I don't have permission to download. I'm in Australia, maybe you have to do something different to make it work in my region?

Partycat
Oct 25, 2004

In the latest update, the program now closes randomly while reading. Is it sending you info? Can it send you info?

nielsm
Jun 1, 2009



The Lord Bude posted:

I signed up for the beta, but it says I don't have permission to download. I'm in Australia, maybe you have to do something different to make it work in my region?

I also get that message with DA's store links, but just have to click another link to get to the right page.

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

ASK ME ABOUT MY SHITTY, BOUGIE INTERIOR DECORATING ADVICE

nielsm posted:

I also get that message with DA's store links, but just have to click another link to get to the right page.



I did that. It didn't let me download once it was switched to my store because I'm apparently not in the beta.

Anonymouse Mook
Jul 12, 2006

Showing Vettel the way since 1979

Partycat posted:

In the latest update, the program now closes randomly while reading. Is it sending you info? Can it send you info?

I'm also getting this in the latest non-beta. I will install the beta soon and see whether it happens there also.

Drastic Actions
Apr 7, 2009

FUCK YOU!
GET PUMPED!
Nap Ghost

The Lord Bude posted:

I did that. It didn't let me download once it was switched to my store because I'm apparently not in the beta.

Depends on when you signed up, because I actually released this last week and forgot to mention it here, so your probably not in the beta list. I'll push another release soon.

For those having issues: I'm going to make a new thread soon, so hold off on the bug reports just yet.

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Partycat
Oct 25, 2004

Bug report:

- Windows Phone


Seriously though, thanks for writing the app

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