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Sudo Echo posted:10? Try more like 20. It first started in 1996 in the Legacy. How did you come to that starting point?
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dissss posted:How did you come to that starting point? I know a lot has been done to it since then but an EJ25 it is.
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Sudo Echo posted:I know a lot has been done to it since then but an EJ25 it is. That came out in 1994.
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Linux Nazi posted:I actually really like it? I had time to kill before a meeting yesterday, and took a GLA45 AMG out for a test drive. It turns the hot hatch formula up to 11, and I had a giant grin on my face the whole time I drove it. It had the best steering feel of anything new I've driven in a very long time, and that engine combined with the DCT encourages bad behavior. The only negatives are an oddly dead first few inches of accelerator pedal travel, and that the $49k base price puts it in a weird segment. The Macan is about the only thing I would compare it to, and that's only sort of the same class.
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dissss posted:That came out in 1994. Pretty sure it just had the EJ22 until '96
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skipdogg posted:No one in the US will buy them. The S6 sedan starts at 75K USD here, an avant would start somewhere around there as well. There are basically 2 super wagons available in the US. The Cadillac CTS-V which sells less than 2,000 units a year, and the E63 AMG Mercedes-Benz wagon, which starts at over 100K and is basically a special order car. However, we've always loved our wagons. The Mercedes E class, Volvo 740/V70, Audi A6, VW Passat and Skoda Superb wagons are huge. SUV's not that much unless you have more money than brains.
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Sudo Echo posted:Pretty sure it just had the EJ22 until '96 Maybe in some markets but it definitely came out before that in Japan
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It's an '07 Eclipse so it's going to be a POS no matter what. 
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2005 neon with all the engine mounts failing already??? HOW!
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Christobevii3 posted:2005 neon with all the engine mounts failing already??? HOW! Normally I'd agree, but do you remember who makes the Neon?
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Raluek posted:Normally I'd agree, but do you remember who makes the Neon? Plymouth?
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Rhyno posted:Plymouth? Yeah Plymouth or Chrysler. Point being, the reason it's falling apart at 10 years is because it's a Chrysler.
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Pff, my MSP's mounts were hosed by 2009; not falling-out-of-the-car bad (p much impossible) but the engine was rocking like crazy under throttle and rattling against the firewall/crossmember/something. Companies cut waaay back on the rubber mass in the name of cost savings and NVH, and it ends up overstressing them and they go out just out of warranty.
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And people trust chrysler to build a 707hp vehicle to 200mph? At least with GM the dash will just rattle into your lap.
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Christobevii3 posted:And people trust chrysler to build a 707hp vehicle to 200mph? At least with GM the dash will just rattle into your lap. And the car will shut itself off, lose power steering, and the air bags won't deploy when you hit that lightpost at 200 mph.
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Mariguana posted:And the car will shut itself off, lose power steering, and the air bags won't deploy when you hit that lightpost at 200 mph. Only if you bump it with you knee or have a keyring with eleventy billion keys on it 
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Mariguana posted:And the car will shut itself off, lose power steering, and the air bags won't deploy when you hit that lightpost at 200 mph. If you're doing 200 on a public road where it's likely you'll hit a lightpost, well... I'm not going to feel too bad for you, honestly.
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Mariguana posted:And the car will shut itself off, lose power steering, and the air bags won't deploy when you hit that lightpost at 200 mph. Don't forget that you'll be drunk and clip a couple of other cars too.
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And after the fiery wreck tumbles to a halt after going through the kitten orphanage mostly airborne you'll walk away without a scratch thanks to modern safety engineering.
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Just don't tick the "Das Volk Experience" box on the options list, it'll probably be fine.
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I live in a student ghetto right next to a very wealthy suburb (I am not a student or wealthy) - the arterial road from downtown to the burb comes through my neighborhood. It is amazing how many people have picked up BMW i3s - I see several every single day (amazing to me, at least, because they are so unfathombly ugly). I also did a double take when I saw a B class driving around - I guess Mercedes rushed one of those to the US with an electric market to compete with the i3.
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blk posted:BMW i3s - I see several every single day (amazing to me, at least, because they are so unfathombly ugly) I'm so glad I'm not the only one that thinks those look like a rolling blue waffle. Who the gently caress okayed that design? Of all the cool boxes on wheels designs that could have been, why did BMW pull another bangle out of their rear end and ruin something that could have been good?
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Taco Box posted:I'm so glad I'm not the only one that thinks those look like a rolling blue waffle. Who the gently caress okayed that design? Of all the cool boxes on wheels designs that could have been, why did BMW pull another bangle out of their rear end and ruin something that could have been good? Call it the Prius effect
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Someone at Jalopnik really went out of their way to try and convince everyone the i3 is awesome. I'd agree if it didn't look like a rolling turd box. http://jalopnik.com/the-electric-bmw-i3-is-the-cheapest-exotic-car-you-can-1671763385
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Sure the i3 is goofy looking at best, but gently caress the haters I still think it's kind of cool. It's a rear-wheel drive full-electric car made mostly of carbon fiber that an upper-middle class person can reasonably afford. And I think that interior is pretty clean and neat. I can't wait for some of that technology to mature and spread.
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while i respect the technology under it, it looks like dog poo poo and therefore is dog poo poo. I must have missed it when they passed the law that said electric cars have to look like dog poo poo. Same with the bolt. $30k, 200 mile range electric car. Everybody's gonna want one, how can we avoid selling too many? how about we make it look like dog poo poo.
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Powershift posted:while i respect the technology under it, it looks like dog poo poo and therefore is dog poo poo. I must have missed it when they passed the law that said electric cars have to look like dog poo poo. We should be able to do some freaky-rear end off the wall designs on electric cars, what with the whole improved crumple zones by not having to have a big engine in the front. I hope that this is just the awkward first phase before managers and market researchers loosen the straps on the designers and engineers to get ready to show us what can be done, not just what consumer metrics demand.
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That on the one hand, on the other we can also do classic, aesthetically pleasing designs. I mean They should google "most beautiful car ever made" for inspiration, and turn it into something uniquely electric car. Instead, they google "microwave from scifi movie" and then add wheels and a windshield.
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Seat Safety Switch posted:We should be able to do some freaky-rear end off the wall designs on electric cars, what with the whole improved crumple zones by not having to have a big engine in the front. I hope that this is just the awkward first phase before managers and market researchers loosen the straps on the designers and engineers to get ready to show us what can be done, not just what consumer metrics demand. Like with most things automotive, "enthusiasts" are going to be the old grumpy conservatives that call anything new and different poo poo while the rest of the world moves on. I love manual transmissions, rear wheel drive, hydraulic steering, cable-operated throttles, big powerful noisy petrol engines, mechanical LSDs, stiff well-tuned suspensions, physical knobs and switches, etc., etc. as much as most any other gearhead, but I'm also loving stoked for the next couple generations of electric cars and will gladly give most/all of that stuff up for a really wonderful 21st century electric car. The i3 isn't it, but it's a test bed with some awesome technology that is a huge step in the right direction. Hopefully once electric cars graduate past the level of the Hollywood "car to be seen in" we'll get past the awkward "make it stand-out ugly so everyone knows what it is" phase. Something in between the conservative styling of a Tesla Model S and the just-a-little-too-outrageous BMW i8 that didn't cost $100k+ would be hot poo poo. Guinness fucked around with this message at 06:33 on Feb 9, 2015 |
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Guinness posted:Something in between the conservative styling of a Tesla Model S and the just-a-little-too-outrageous BMW i8 that didn't cost $100k+ would be hot poo poo. For a sedan, I'm not sure I'd really call the Model S that conservative. I mean, it's obviously quite conservative compared to, say, an Aventador, but it's not at all conservative compared to its closest competitors from pretty much any other automaker. Tesla also made the Roadster, which didn't look like a pile of garbage, and the Fisker Karma looked awesome too. Some makers seems to "get it" and others want to make "futuristic" things that look like rear end. I'm sorry: the Prius was always, and currently is, a hideous piece of poo poo. Why can't you just make a good looking electric or hybrid car, dammit! I think it might be because you can't signal to other smug assholes that you're driving a smug-rear end in a top hat-mobile if it doesn't look very distinctive. As an aside, one of my acquaintances just got a Tesla Model S and I think he'd actually perform the physical act of love with it if he could find a hole. Apparently, it's just a fantastic automobile in pretty much every way.
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PT6A posted:Why can't you just make a good looking electric or hybrid car, dammit! But there's plenty of hybrid (pure electric, not really) of cars that look exactly like non-hybrids. The fact that enthusiasts forget they exist is, in my opinion, symbolic of the issue. It's not just about designing a car so that the assholes can communicate their superiority to others: if you don't make the car look funky, people seem to forget it exists. Admittedly, there's a lot of selection going on because enthusiasts generally don't care about cars that aren't cool and are merely there. How about combining a hybrid with the other thing goons love - diesel wagons? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_S60#V60_plug-in_hybrid Zeppelin Insanity fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Feb 9, 2015 |
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I think the outside of the i3 is ugly as sin. But I sat in one of the ones with the leather trimmed tweed seats and bamboo dash. It looks and felt so nice on the inside I totally understood it. Ugly as poo poo on the outside but I loved the interior. The that said I don't really like the base model interior.
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Seat Safety Switch posted:We should be able to do some freaky-rear end off the wall designs on electric cars... Yup. I want to see designers push the boundaries of what we expect cars to look like. All those concept cars you've ever seen? Make them a reality. Push the boat out a little. I want to get an electric car that looks like I'm driving something out of a 90s computer game's idea of 'future', like the S class cars in Ridge Racer...
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Guinness posted:Sure the i3 is goofy looking at best, but gently caress the haters I still think it's kind of cool. It's a rear-wheel drive full-electric car made mostly of carbon fiber that an upper-middle class person can reasonably afford. And I think that interior is pretty clean and neat. I can't wait for some of that technology to mature and spread. It's cool for being a production car that actually follows through on a no-B pillar design. Too bad the actual styling is kind of bad but a friend of mine has one and the interior really is as good as it looks in photos. He ended up getting rid of his Model S for it (too many bugs and design issues).
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So Borgward is supposedly reappearing at the Geneva motor show. While that is very cool and it has some of the right people involved, I'm worried that they're either going to end up an expensive niche sports car maker, total vaporware, or worst of all do an Avanti thing.
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PT6A posted:Tesla also made the Roadster, which didn't look like a pile of garbage I don't really know if I'd give Tesla any credit at all for the Roadster's looks. The only reason Tesla stopped building the Roadster is that they ran out of the rolling shells from Lotus that they put all the electric stuff in. The shells were designed and built by Lotus.
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:But there's plenty of hybrid (pure electric, not really) of cars that look exactly like non-hybrids. The fact that enthusiasts forget they exist is, in my opinion, symbolic of the issue. It's not just about designing a car so that the assholes can communicate their superiority to others: if you don't make the car look funky, people seem to forget it exists. True, there are now plenty of hybrids (even plug-in hybrids) that look like normal, nice cars. But very, very few full electric cars indeed, and it was very much similar during the first years of hybrids (remember the Honda Insight? Holy gently caress, was that ugly...) I don't think enthusiasts really forget they exist, they're just completely uninterested in general. There are plenty of nice-looking electric and hybrid cars if money is no object, and we certainly don't forget about those, we just can't afford them. Why, though, can't we start seeing enthusiast cars that are electric/hybrid, not lovely-looking, and firmly inside of 5 figures? Why, for example, couldn't one of the new Mustang powertrains be a plug-in hybrid system? We know Ford has the tech, they'd just prefer to use it in other vehicles.
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PT6A posted:True, there are now plenty of hybrids (even plug-in hybrids) that look like normal, nice cars. But very, very few full electric cars indeed, and it was very much similar during the first years of hybrids (remember the Honda Insight? Holy gently caress, was that ugly...) Because the CRZ sold so well? Batteries are really bulky and heavy, you'd end up with a very expensive Mustang with no trunk which nobody would buy. Most hybrid versions of even cheap volume models are considered low margin halo models/tax credit specials, probably a lot of them end up being sold at a loss since they're usually not very popular but take up a lot of engineering resources.
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