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PainterofCrap posted:Are those weapons the nasty-rear end French machine guns that jammed all the time due to the open magazines? The holes in the magazine are for speed. For high speed operators.
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Feb 8, 2015 09:21
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I once saw an entire History Channel Special about how stupid those guns were. A full hour.
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Feb 8, 2015 09:24
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So was the jamming just kind of ignored because most people are using bolt action so "It fires faster than that rifle even if you count the jamming  " or what? I dont get how they kept those guns in service.
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Feb 8, 2015 15:10
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Richard Bong posted:So was the jamming just kind of ignored because most people are using bolt action so "It fires faster than that rifle even if you count the jamming Does your machine gun jam on average in less time than it took Oswald to kill JFK? If so, that's a lovely machine gun.
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Feb 8, 2015 15:33
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Richard Bong posted:So was the jamming just kind of ignored because most people are using bolt action so "It fires faster than that rifle even if you count the jamming See, sometimes you end up with a lovely or mediocre product for a variety of reasons. Price, politics (ie, jobs and taxes), design compromises...fortunately that doesn't really happen much anymore.  
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Feb 8, 2015 17:39
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6_8LMNlRnI 10 minutes of Syrian tanks getting their poo poo pushed in by TOWs. Plus lots and lots of takbirs. (natch) "They want food. LET'S gently caress THEM UP!"
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Feb 8, 2015 18:26
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Richard Bong posted:So was the jamming just kind of ignored because most people are using bolt action so "It fires faster than that rifle even if you count the jamming I think by the time they realized they were unsuitable for trench warfare, the choices were, "keep the lovely machine gun in service until we find something better" or "some units go without machine guns."
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Feb 8, 2015 19:24
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Scratch Monkey posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6_8LMNlRnI I just noticed the simulated strip club in the background. This isn't for overseas, its FEMA training. 
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Feb 8, 2015 19:42
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bitcoin bastard posted:I just noticed the simulated strip club in the background. This isn't for overseas, its FEMA training.
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Feb 8, 2015 19:45
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Godholio posted:See, sometimes you end up with a lovely or mediocre product for a variety of reasons. Price, politics (ie, jobs and taxes), design compromises...fortunately that doesn't really happen much anymore. you owe me a new keyboard bitch
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Feb 8, 2015 20:10
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Richard Bong posted:So was the jamming just kind of ignored because most people are using bolt action so "It fires faster than that rifle even if you count the jamming Well, they weren't in service for very long, they were replaced by BARs shortly before the war ended. It was kind of one of those situations where a lovely MG was better than no MG. Thump! fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Feb 8, 2015 |
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Feb 8, 2015 20:14
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Thump! posted:Well, they weren't in service for very long, they were replaced by BARs shortly before the war ended. It was kind of one of those situations where a lovely MG was better than no MG. Actually, most of the American servicemen who got issued them dumped them as soon as they got a chance. They'd literally rather just grab a Springfield and remove any automatic rifleman function from their squad than put their lives on it. See, the original Chauchat is pretty lovely but the American one was worse. They just started building them in .30-06 for the American forces that showed up late, but the gun was never really designed for such a long round and they incorrectly measured the chamber when converting the design. The guns could barely extract the casings without tearing them to shreds, which exacerbated the inherent problems in the design (substandard manufacturing with cheap metal parts, the gun literally stopping when it overheated due to the barrel sleeve's design, etc.) until it would only reliably fire a short burst before jamming. And the gun was the kind where you'd likely need to disassemble it to fix it. The only reason they were using a lovely redesign of a lovely gun was because the US Army had beef with Col. Isaac Newton Lewis, who made the famous Lewis Gun, after his political differences from the Chief of the Ordnance Department resulted in them blocking the adoption of his design purely out of spite. He sold it to the British instead, and they made it popular. The Marines landing in France were actually given Lewis Guns....which were promptly taken away and replaced with Chauchats just because of General Crozier's personal hatred of the guy. It was basically a preview of the whiny piss-baby antics surrounding the M16.
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Feb 8, 2015 21:44
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I've heard they also tried to increase the rate of fire from the original's sedate 250 rounds per minute, which probably caused more issues with the long-recoil system and overheating. Ironically the .30-06 Chauchat fixed one of the major flaws with the original: it had a fully enclosed box magazine. 
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Feb 8, 2015 22:28
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God that is an ugly gun. Did the Central Powers have anything like that?
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Feb 8, 2015 23:33
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no. they had the maxim.
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Feb 8, 2015 23:53
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Rnr posted:Thats far from the most hard core stuff he did. He completed selection with Frřmandskorpset, which is a SEAL equivalent, afterwards he completed pilot training with the air force and flew F-16's. He currently holds rank of Captain (Navy) and Colonel (Air Force, Army) and teaches at the Royal Danish Defence College. The royals in Denmark can bugger off, but I do respect Frederik as the exceptional dude he is. You mean the SAAB t-17 right? Because he never trained in the f-16. Also, Sirius 2000 was a commercial trip and not a territorial patrol like normal Sirius patrols, still badass though.
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Feb 9, 2015 00:08
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Mike-o posted:no. they had the maxim. Anyone know why they didn't develop anything like the BAR or Lewis gun? Was it a doctrine conflict or something?
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Feb 9, 2015 00:12
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Richard Bong posted:So was the jamming just kind of ignored because most people are using bolt action so "It fires faster than that rifle even if you count the jamming The cutaways in the magazines were so you could see at a glance how many rounds were left. It was a dumb idea, given the realities of trench combat, what with the mud and the muck and bits of decaying person thereby finding their way into the operating mechanism of the gun, but the *French* version of the gun wasn't *that* bad. The ones made by Gladiator for the A.E.F. were loving useless because they'd been rechambered for .30-06 and Gladiator screwed up the chamber dimensions. They literally would not load and fire more than a couple of rounds before the thermal expansion caused stoppages. The misaligned sights were entirely secondary for that; you can adjust sights and correct your aim but you can't correct a gun that can't actually load and fire the next round.
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Feb 9, 2015 00:16
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXbSiCgpdyg Apparently the Ukrainians pasted a warehouse with a bunch of those humanitarian aid trucks parked in it, along with 200 rebels
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Feb 9, 2015 00:32
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All that food and water sure was volatile
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Feb 9, 2015 00:52
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Kavak posted:Anyone know why they didn't develop anything like the BAR or Lewis gun? Was it a doctrine conflict or something? They did! The difference is that they wanted something that could be used in close quarters trench combat and thus invented the submachine gun. The BAR, Chauchat, and Lewis Gun were more traditional LMGs: they could be fired from the shoulder while standing and fired from the hip while advancing on a position, but they were best used deployed on a bipod to provide accurate suppressing fire. The relatively small size and light weight made it easier for one or two guys to haul the gun quickly from position to position, but it was still bulky as poo poo. The closest the Germans came to a SAW was the MG 08/15. 
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Feb 9, 2015 00:56
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chitoryu12 posted:The closest the Germans came to a SAW was the MG 08/15. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gbt1_gyAPYY
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Feb 9, 2015 01:37
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The Germans apparently had a few thousand Madsen LMGs they either bought or seized as they were being shipped through Germany to neutral powers, but I've read they only issued them to their mountain infantry and cavalry units. It and the BAR were probably the best light machine guns/automatic rifles of the period.  
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Feb 9, 2015 02:22
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C.M. Kruger posted:The Germans apparently had a few thousand Madsen LMGs they either bought or seized as they were being shipped through Germany to neutral powers, but I've read they only issued them to their mountain infantry and cavalry units. It and the BAR were probably the best light machine guns/automatic rifles of the period. You'd probably enjoy this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L44vzCo33tc
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Feb 9, 2015 02:31
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http://gfycat.com/WarlikeImpoliteAcouchi
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Bolow posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXbSiCgpdyg I'm seeing some conflicting reports on what exactly it was that blew up. Some are saying that it was an ammo depot, others are saying that it was chemical plant. I guess we'll know for sure within the next day or so. Whatever it was, it apparently shattered windows for several kilometres in all directions and scared the poo poo out of pretty much everyone in Donetsk. Perhaps we can look at the youtube comments to find a informative and composed account of what happened Youtube commenter posted:Junta dropped on civilians atomic bomb, following the example of American Nazis bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki. oh
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Feb 9, 2015 04:22
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Reminds me of the poo poo the blackhats at airborne school do.
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Feb 9, 2015 05:00
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The whole video is worth a watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5pMSCv9-SU Action starts at about 1 minute in
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Feb 9, 2015 05:10
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iyaayas01 posted:The whole video is worth a watch: So why do they do all that poo poo
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Feb 9, 2015 05:17
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Zeris posted:So why do they do all that poo poo ours is not to reason why
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Feb 9, 2015 05:28
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Because India and Pakistan I guess: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ImfIoX6zTM I dunno, I'm sure there's some involved complicated cultural reason why militaries on the South Asian subcontinent behave this way but that'd probably take a lot of anthropological effort to figure out
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Feb 9, 2015 05:33
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iyaayas01 posted:Because India and Pakistan I guess: This owns actually.
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Feb 9, 2015 05:35
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iyaayas01 posted:The whole video is worth a watch: http://youtubedoubler.com/exlF
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Feb 9, 2015 05:35
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I am worried American anime men and weaboos are presently working a cultural forking in the same style as Indian/Pakis who took British military decorum and culture and created these youtubes.
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Feb 9, 2015 05:41
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iyaayas01 posted:The whole video is worth a watch:  Transforming artillery weapons, not precision drills lol
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Feb 9, 2015 05:43
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iyaayas01 posted:Because India and Pakistan I guess: This tradition dates back to 1972 when John Cleese visited the area and taught them about marching up and down the square.
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Feb 9, 2015 06:01
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Guys, I have some bad news. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/7902742/India-ends-goose-stepping-ceremony-after-soldiers-knee-injuries.htmlquote:However, despite drawing vast crowds, encouraged by officials of both sides who built amphitheatres for viewing, a senior officer in India's Border Security Force told The Daily Telegraph it was an "undignified" ceremony which caused mental strain and physical injury to the troops.
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Feb 9, 2015 06:18
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iyaayas01 posted:I dunno, I'm sure there's some involved complicated cultural reason why militaries on the South Asian subcontinent behave this way but that'd probably take a lot of anthropological effort to figure out The Wagah crossing ceremony is to European military tradition as Bollywood is to the Hollywood Blockbuster.
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It's basically an exaggeration of British drill & ceremonies. Subcontinental warfare always had a thing for flourish and pomp, so when the high-stepping, scarlet-jacketed Brits showed up, the locals had to outshine them.
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