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Well sure but when you consider that he actually killed the girl they're looking for it kinda puts a different perspective on it. He says he would've ignored the call and not talked to anyone if he actually did it but that's total bullshit. His intention was never to run and hide from it.
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Sivart13 posted:Alternatively, consider that she had been gone for less than a day at this point. Especially since (if he was innocent) his first instinctive reaction to the call may well have not been "something's happened to Hae" but rather "the police are after Hae". It's not like Adnan, a drug-using Pakistani teenager in 1999 Baltimore, would have a lot of reason to trust or cooperate with the police in any event, and "I don't remember" would probably seem like a smarter thing to say, both at the time and after, than "gently caress YOU PIGS".
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Jan 22, 2015 13:04
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Do police typically ask about missing persons as if they were shoot on sight wanted fugitives? And even if he was that paranoid, you'd doubly expect him to retrace his day because a) cops think Hae did some poo poo and b) they know he's associated with her.
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I'm still wrapping my head around the existence of that phone booth, too. It only appeared in, what, one document? And no one remembered one being at the Best Buy? So loving confusing E. moths posted:Do police typically ask about missing persons as if they were shoot on sight wanted fugitives? Remember, according to that one girl Adnan was high as gently caress at the time
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Spaced God posted:I'm still wrapping my head around the existence of that phone booth, too. It only appeared in, what, one document? And no one remembered one being at the Best Buy? Gutierrez, Adnan's defense attorney, wanted to take the jury out to Best Buy to see the phone booth. Like a field trip. I can't believe there's no reliable record anyplace of whether or not this phone booth existed.
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Jan 22, 2015 17:26
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There were two pay phones that were just inside the foyer of the Best Buy. Someone on Reddit finally went and visited the site and then someone else got a copy of the original store plans from the city that showed them on the blue prints. Former mounts and wire panels on the wall.  Patch on the floor where the partition stood between them. 
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Spaced God posted:Remember, according to that one girl Adnan was high as gently caress at the time At some point he had to stop being high, which is when he'd presumably react like a regular person. Except he didn't, because he either killed her or was so totally completely over her that he tried to insert himself into the investigation after her body was found.
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Geekslinger posted:There were two pay phones that were just inside the foyer of the Best Buy. Someone on Reddit finally went and visited the site and then someone else got a copy of the original store plans from the city that showed them on the blue prints. I thought jay said it was outside the shop
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stickyfngrdboy posted:I thought jay said it was outside the shop I live in a relatively small metropolitan area compared to Baltimore. We have four Best Buys in town. I commonly mix them up in my mind. Jay may have been thinking of another pay phone. It doesn't matter, because Adnan showed him the body at some Pool Hall, right?
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If Adnan ever wants out on parole he is going to have to show remorse for murdering his ex girlfriend. Maybe he is waiting for his parent(s) to die so he can finally come clean. Or he realizes he is better off living the rest of his life in prison where he can not do as much harm.
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Tuxedo Jack posted:I live in a relatively small metropolitan area compared to Baltimore. We have four Best Buys in town. I commonly mix them up in my mind. Jay may have been thinking of another pay phone. yeah the details aren't important. You'd think he'd definitely remember the right store when it turned into such an important event but it doesn't matter, probably.
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I mean - if he gets post conviction releif (unlikely, but also largely unrelated to factual guilt/innocence) on the basis of his ineffective assistance claim or some other legal theory, Maryland might be unwilling or unable to retry him so many years after the fact. They might offer time served in exchange for a guilty plea in advance of any new trial, avoiding the risk of acquittal. That's probably his best chance at not dying in prison, because a sudden revelation that he did it and feels awful isn't very compelling to a Parole board with total discretion after decades of exhaustive appeals and PR champagins focused on his alleged innocence. Plus I think MD isn't big on parole for convicted murders with life sentences.
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African AIDS cum posted:If Adnan ever wants out on parole he is going to have to show remorse for murdering his ex girlfriend. Maybe he is waiting for his parent(s) to die so he can finally come clean. Or he realizes he is better off living the rest of his life in prison where he can not do as much harm. you still keep on ignoring the theory that jay was a serial killers apprentice. think about it. his name is jay. a jay is a bird, kind of like a robin. and if youve seen batman you know that robin means sidekick.
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What I don't understand is the prosecution made this huge deal about the cell records but they never get the phone records for where the call is from. Why couldn't they trace the 236pm call coming from the best buy phone? It wouldn't have been a blocked number. It can't be that hard to match up the phone # with the actual phone.
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Dear Prudence posted:What I don't understand is the prosecution made this huge deal about the cell records but they never get the phone records for where the call is from. Why couldn't they trace the 236pm call coming from the best buy phone? It wouldn't have been a blocked number. It can't be that hard to match up the phone # with the actual phone. Wasn't most of the cell phone evidence based on cell towers (as in 'the phone pinged this tower at this time, so we know it must have been in this general area')?
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I just read like, the last ten pages of this thread. I believe the debate can be expressed thusly: 
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Adnan got his appeal! 
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Holy poo poo, I never thought that would happen!
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Wow, color me surprised. Never thought in a million years they would give him that chance.
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You underestimate Adnan's svengali power.
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His request for a hearing to determine if he'll get an appeal was approved. But it's not like details matter anymore, right?
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moths posted:His request for a hearing to determine if he'll get an appeal was approved. But it's not like details matter anymore, right? Maybe his lawyer butt-dialed
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African AIDS cum posted:Maybe his lawyer butt-dialed It would still be better legal representation than he's had so far.
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It would be a tragedy if this podcast ends up freeing a murderer.
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Of course he did, they don't want to gently caress with someone who knows a West Side Hitman.
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I love the idea that the only way Adnan could maintain a lie for 15 years is by being an inhuman master-puppeteer. As if we live in a world where "oops dad's gay?" isn't a thing that routinely happens. Can he be compelled to testify at the hearing? I'm really looking forward to reading transcripted pages of Well, uh, like, see I didn't actually well I'm not saying I would, uh I don't remember.
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Im not the only one that thinks sarah wants to gently caress adnan right?
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Evil Agita posted:Im not the only one that thinks sarah wants to gently caress adnan right?
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Koenig does seem somewhat enamored with him. The part where Adnan says something to the effect of you don't really know me and koenig sounds hurt was off putting. It's like why are you seeking validation from some dude in prison wtf
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I binge-listened to Serial this weekend and was quite fascinated and baffled by it. My initial reaction was that it was probably Adnan and Jay together, but the evidence didn't go anywhere near proving Adnan's involvement beyond a reasonable doubt. So while Adnan was probably guilty, it could have been Jay and some other friends and Adnan was an easy scapegoat? But that seemed like a stretch my mind came up with because Adnan was presented as a very likable guy in the podcast. GAAA I don't know!! Anyway, the more I read about the case after listening to the podcast, the more I think there is a chance he could be innocent. Just curious, did anyone see the blog pasted below? (My apologies if it was posted already) http://viewfromll2.com/2015/01/10/s...rder/#more-4707 Anyway, I read a bunch of her posts and found them really interesting so I thought I would share. The one linked above in particular seems pretty horrifying to me and unfair. She had a lot of posts that seemed to cover the case in more detail than Serial - good coverage of inconsistencies in Jay's story, the timing of the calls, etc.
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I thought Adnan was innocent while listening but after I'd finished and taken some distance from it I'd come to the conclusion he's guilty.
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Part of my wants to think he's innocent and should be released/shouldn't have been convicted, but even the part of me that thinks he's guilty still doesn't want to convict him. There just isn't enough evidence to say anything beyond a reasonable doubt.
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Spaced God posted:There just isn't enough evidence to say anything beyond a reasonable doubt.
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Really, I half think that the reason people want him to be innocent is that "Guy wrongly accused of murder, freed by information found by plucky journalist" is a better story than "Guy did a murder, stays in prison, there was a podcast or whatever".
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Kojiro posted:Really, I half think that the reason people want him to be innocent is that "Guy wrongly accused of murder, freed by information found by plucky journalist" is a better story than "Guy did a murder, stays in prison, there was a podcast or whatever". No its probably rooted in how normal Adnan sounds (and his classmates thought he was very normal too), yet was able to snap and do something so completely savage to a girl he claimed to love. Its one thing for the weird brooding kid to do that, its another for a kid who plays football and is on track and is smart and smokes pot all the time. We would like a little more evidence than: Jay, the guy selling drugs out of his grandmothers house, the guy who tries to stab someone so they could feel what it was like, the guy worked at a porn video store in highschool, basically a fuckin weirdo, said Adnan did it, even though its literally hearsay. When you boil it down Jay's story (which is hardly a story, its more like a stream of consciousness that changes every time he recalls it) cannot be corroborated at all. The only thing that he was able to provide was the location of Hay's car. Its all perspective, we somehow believe Jay's story even though its so filled with holes, yet if you threw away his testimony then Jay actually is the one that looks like a prime suspect for killing Hay, unless you attach a bunch of motives to Adnan to outweigh the fact that Jay mysteriously knew where Hay's car was. coolskillrex remix fucked around with this message at 05:18 on Feb 10, 2015 |
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sejoonki posted:but the evidence didn't go anywhere near proving Adnan's involvement beyond a reasonable doubt. It did though
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African AIDS cum posted:It did though Yeah, that's what people seem to misunderstand. A jury convicted him. The current question is: If brought to an appeals hearing, will that same evidence be enough to keep him in prison? In a world where people know that DNA evidence makes or breaks cases like this, would a new jury buy that old story?
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coolskillrex remix posted:No its probably rooted in how normal Adnan sounds (and his classmates thought he was very normal too), yet was able to snap and do something so completely savage to a girl he claimed to love. Its one thing for the weird brooding kid to do that, its another for a kid who plays football and is on track and is smart and smokes pot all the time. Likable football players who are also track athletes have never snapped and killed their
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You have to wonder if Adnan would enjoy this much support if the podcast had focused as much on Hae as it did on her poor convicted murderer's side of the story. Did SK air any interviews that sounded bad for Syed? She spoke with some people, but those never seemed to directly make it to the podcast - the most we ever heard was "gee I dunno maybe" type stuff, weighed against his community's sunk cost fallacy.
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adnan killed hae. im sure he regrets it but the rear end in a top hat choked her until she was dead. he was jealous and resentful. he lied to the cops and then when he found out talking was a bad idea because it opened him up to being contradicted by evidence he suffered amnesia. the idea that jay did it alone is idiocy of the purest watermoths posted:You have to wonder if Adnan would enjoy this much support if the podcast had focused as much on Hae as it did on her poor convicted murderer's side of the story. drat right. 15 seconds about how she picked her fingernails and we're back to adnan being a nice dude.
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