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Have any of you gone to Abdullah's restaurant? If so, did you get Hepatitis
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I really don't think there is any ulterior motive to why the guy rates matches the way he does. He doesn't put enough thought into it to have an ulterior motive. I don't think it's crazy to wonder if maybe a match taking place in a promotion he's currently very into, or that has an overall presentation that appeals to him enhances the match itself for him slightly, but that's very different from claiming that the guy is conspiring to keep the 5 star rating away from WWE matches.
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Feb 10, 2015 21:18
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projecthalaxy posted:Everybody treats the Meltzer 5 as sacrosanct but forget that he has given matches 6, 7, and negative-infinity Stars. Dave gave the Sheik/Volkoff/Bushwackers match "Absolute zero," which violates laws of thermodynamics. It was Alvarez who gave it "minus more stars than there are in the universe, and the universe is infinite," which violates generally accepted laws of cosmology. The match was so bad, it broke physics. It drizzled quantum shits.
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Feb 10, 2015 21:19
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dave isn't even like a master of workrate analysis or anything. if i wanted to really break down why a match worked or didn't work, i'd go to SCSA, or JR, or someone else. he's just seen so much poo poo over the years that it's fun to have one guy's opinion on like, All Wrestling over the last 30 years.
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Feb 10, 2015 21:20
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Alain Post posted:That's slightly high IMO Yeah, I wouldn't give it more than several hundred million, but then my Network stream was choppy.
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Feb 10, 2015 21:22
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:Basically it wouldn't matter, except he's the most important journalist in wrestling by a mile or two. He proceeds to split matches down to the quarter-star like there's actually an objective scale whatsoever. This goes even for stuff that doesn't matter/everyone knows was bad, so you get absurd ratings like *3/4. Like if you asked him "Hey Dave, what makes this match a 3.5 out of 10?" do you think he'd actually have an answer? shut up nerd
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Feb 10, 2015 21:24
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I care about his ratings in the sense of "if he rated it more than 3 1/2 stars it had to be a decent match at least." Any more than that is taking one guy's opinions way too seriously.
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Feb 10, 2015 21:28
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The man's newsletter was lit on fire by Hollywood Hulk Hogan so it must be legit
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Feb 10, 2015 21:35
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I'd love to know what 1997-2011 WWE matches deserved five stars but got robbed. Star ratings are dumb but if I was forced to hand out snowflakes nothin would be getting 5/5 cuz almost every match I really dug was spoiled by a super lousy finish. It's a major weakness with WWE.
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Feb 10, 2015 22:00
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Benoit/Angle from RR 2003 would be a big one I'd imagine. Shield/Wyatts from last year is one that I wouldn't think someone was crazy if they thought it was five stars. When you look at a match like that vs. Ibushi/Nakamura as far as I can see it mostly comes down to stylistic preference.
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Feb 10, 2015 22:08
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Benoit/Angle is one of my favorite WWE matches ever, yeah. That said I can't remember poo poo about the build up to it, so, that can be a legit negative to some people.
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Feb 10, 2015 22:10
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Smoking Crow posted:Have any of you gone to Abdullah's restaurant? If so, did you get Hepatitis I did back in 2013 during a road trip. It's a big pink building in a pretty bad part of Atlanta so it's not exactly hard to miss. The spare ribs were alright (they tasted grilled, not smoked, if you care about that) and there's a shitload of wrestling memorabilia which was pretty cool to see. Supposedly Abdullah shows up sometimes and goes around to talk to people, but he wasn't there when we stopped in. Maybe that's why I didn't get hepatitis
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Feb 10, 2015 22:14
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Hot Poppin Bunnz posted:I'd love to know what 1997-2011 WWE matches deserved five stars but got robbed. taker/hbk 1
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Feb 10, 2015 22:22
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If there is a person who complains about the poor booking of the WWE and also about why Meltzer doesn't give out a lot of ***** to the WWE, maybe think about that. Part of a ***** match for him is (to a huge degree) work rate, but also a sense of history and build. The WWE has phenomenal talent and puts on lots of great matches, but often this is in spite of the storylines outside of the matches. The nature of WWE storytelling, constantly having to produce new content and blowing through feuds, is like the opposite of what Meltzer likes to see from what I can tell.
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Feb 10, 2015 22:23
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Angle vs Benoit from the Rumble and Angle vs Michaels from Mania would be my two.
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Feb 10, 2015 23:01
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I really wish they had the entire back library of Observers up so I could read what Dave thought of Angle/Benoit
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Feb 10, 2015 23:02
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how well known was Rich Flair prior to/at the time of the plane crash? And was that why he stopped being Dusty Rhodes style big guy or did that come before/after independently of the crash?
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Feb 10, 2015 23:03
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Let's talk about tough enough. I'm watching series 1. It's atrocious.
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Feb 10, 2015 23:10
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ICHIBAHN posted:Let's talk about tough enough. I'm watching series 1. It's atrocious. Have you gotten to HHH burying Goldberg yet? It's the best.
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Feb 10, 2015 23:10
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Solomonic posted:I did back in 2013 during a road trip. It's a big pink building in a pretty bad part of Atlanta so it's not exactly hard to miss. The spare ribs were alright (they tasted grilled, not smoked, if you care about that) and there's a shitload of wrestling memorabilia which was pretty cool to see. Supposedly Abdullah shows up sometimes and goes around to talk to people, but he wasn't there when we stopped in. I heard that when Abby shows up, he's super carny and makes you pay for poo poo like his autograph, pics and some of the forks he's used in matches
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Feb 10, 2015 23:16
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Alain Post posted:Benoit/Angle is one of my favorite WWE matches ever, yeah. That said I can't remember poo poo about the build up to it, so, that can be a legit negative to some people. It was cool to see a match where the heel's thugs are sent to the back, leaving the heel to wrestle without any outside interference against the face, but the heel won clean anyway because he's actually an incredibly good wrestler.
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Feb 10, 2015 23:20
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Spermgod posted:Benoit/Angle from RR 2003 would be a big one I'd imagine. Shield/Wyatts from last year. Benoit/HBK/Triple H I, Wrestlemania 20 Triple H/Austin at No Way Out '01 Austin/Benoit in Edmonton, 2001 Triple H/Cactus Jack, Royal Rumble 2000
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Feb 10, 2015 23:23
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triplexpac posted:It wasn't a bad build, but it wasn't a 5 star build is all I'm saying. I went to the go-home RAW for EC last year in a mild crowd in a city that only produces mild crowds, and they hyped the Shield / Wyatts matchup perfectly, shook up the crowd with the opposite-apron staredown and then popped the top when the Wyatts teleported into the middle of the big brawl over the EC. When the Wyatts and the Shield charged each other it was like somebody flipped the cheer stereo having forgotten that they'd left it on full blast. I don't remember the actual match itself being up to it (the Wyatts ended up dissolving quietly without a tag division to feed from), but at the time it was a dream. That RAW was also the one featuring the Cena / Cesaro match that basically led to the latter's push to Mania. It was a good show, even if the crowd couldn't get into a really technical Bryan / Christian match
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Feb 10, 2015 23:26
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:Triple H/Austin at No Way Out '01 HHH/Foley was probably my favourite feud of the Attitude era. The way Hunter sold Cactus's return on that one Raw was the best. The HHH/Austin one was more great because of how it set the stage for Austin's heel turn - as far as I'm aware it was his first clean loss since 1997.
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Feb 10, 2015 23:30
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St Evan Echoes posted:The HHH/Austin one was more great because of how it set the stage for Austin's heel turn - as far as I'm aware it was his first clean loss since 1997. The loss to Foley in the triple threat at Summerslam 1999 was clean.
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Feb 10, 2015 23:42
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AmbassadorFriendly posted:The loss to Foley in the triple threat at Summerslam 1999 was clean. Yeah it's a clean loss I guess but he didn't eat a pin.
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Feb 10, 2015 23:47
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Just rewatched the Angle/Benoit RR '03 match to confirm that I still don't think it's particularly good. There's no real heat segment or really any build at all, just 20 minutes and back and forth go-go-go and trading huge bombs with little regard for a structure that makes the big moves mean something or actually remembering and selling anything that happened more than 30 seconds ago. The trading Germans spots especially elicit eye rolls from me. Obviously I'm in the minority there and all of that stuff is catnip to Meltzer though so... edit: lack of selling aside, I think this might actually be the prototype for the WWE Big Match stretch run Spermgod fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Feb 11, 2015 |
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Feb 10, 2015 23:57
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What's the most over used theme in Indie wrestling? We don't really have an indie scene around here anymore but back when we did have a lot of indie/backyard stuff in the early 00s/late 90's it seemed like it was impossible to go to a show without someone using Blood Brothers by Papa Roach as their theme. Which is weird because while I think it was a single I am only familiar with it in a general sense from THPS2 and so it seems odd that a song like that would have enough popularity to be used by a minimum of three local wrestlers.
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Feb 10, 2015 23:58
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El Estrago Bonito posted:What's the most over used theme in Indie wrestling?
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Feb 11, 2015 00:02
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ICHIBAHN posted:Let's talk about tough enough. I'm watching series 1. It's atrocious. Series 2 was where it was at. Talentless or not, I was rooting for Hawk.  It does also have the most bullshit ending where they pick Jackie Gayda and Shaniqua, and Al Snow had to defend their decision by saying "we never said it would be a guy and a girl!" (one of the guys they passed up was the future Kenny King).
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Feb 11, 2015 00:27
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BodyMassageMachine posted:Series 2 was where it was at. Talentless or not, I was rooting for Hawk. Didn't that end with King saying something like "If I knew they could choose two girls, I never would have entered?"
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Feb 11, 2015 00:59
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St Evan Echoes posted:Foley pinned Triple H though, didn't he? Nope, Double Arm DDT to Austin and then the current governor of Minnesota counted Foley's pin on Steve Austin in the middle of the ring.
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Feb 11, 2015 01:19
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St Evan Echoes posted:Foley pinned Triple H though, didn't he? Foley pinned Austin
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Feb 11, 2015 01:19
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triplexpac posted:Have you gotten to HHH burying Goldberg yet? It's the best. Yeah watched that one. God he's terrible. Trying to be legit wrestler man. Ugh. 20 minute promo about wrestling injuries to these new dudes. Terrible.
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Feb 11, 2015 01:30
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ICHIBAHN posted:Yeah watched that one. God he's terrible. Trying to be legit wrestler man. Ugh. 20 minute promo about wrestling injuries to these new dudes. Terrible. With this post, you piss on this business and you piss on everyone who's ever tried to make it in this business.
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Feb 11, 2015 01:35
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Luigi Thirty's post in the Wrestlers on Twitter thread about what Darren Young earlier tweeted/had to delete:Luigi Thirty posted:uhhhhhh reminded me of something I've been wondering about for a while, what's the deal with female talent during the shows they put on in the middle east? do they wrestle or do they just never appear or what? Anyone know? I know there's different standards about what various laws in various countries apply to foreigners, I'm more wondering about what WWE does in these situations.
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Feb 11, 2015 02:42
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El Estrago Bonito posted:What's the most over used theme in Indie wrestling? Black Betty
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Feb 11, 2015 06:05
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El Estrago Bonito posted:What's the most over used theme in Indie wrestling? i've seen enough backyard wrestling to know the answer is something by ICP
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Feb 11, 2015 06:25
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I feel like it is the Rocky theme but I might be thinking of MMA.
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actually it's headstrong by trapt
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