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CommieGIR posted:I'm suprised they are not cheering the guy on for tackling the Muslim menace. They throw their own under the bus without a second thought if it means scoring a "liberals are the REAL..." propaganda point.
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:Actual communism by definition requires the dissolution of the state That actually makes the push for states rights make sense and why the far right fear communism. It's still dumb, but that makes their thinking a lot more understandable.
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Feb 12, 2015 03:19
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My Face When posted:That actually makes the push for states rights make sense and why the far right fear communism. It's still dumb, but that makes their thinking a lot more understandable. States' Rights stuff in the US always seems weird to me; in a UK context and even in a wider European context decentralization goes hand in hand with leftism and as a Socialist in Scotland my best chance for seeing the politics I want is if Scotland goes independent. Superficial research seems to indicate the same to be the case in Catalonia, and we all know what's happening in Greece.
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Feb 12, 2015 03:33
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The SCOTUS struck down the pre-clearance part of the VRA, because federalism and the Supremes prefer Federal courts striking down bad state voting laws every three-five years instead
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Feb 12, 2015 03:36
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My Face When posted:That actually makes the push for states rights make sense and why the far right fear communism. It's still dumb, but that makes their thinking a lot more understandable. That isn't really about fearing dissolution of the state, though, it is a rejection of centralization - a legitimate concern that Washington could become like Moscow - or that Abe Lincoln will take your guns away - you can go all the way back to the Federalist debates. State's Rights then tie in with Anarchism and it's mutilated cousin, Anarcho-Capitalism. Nothing will ever be perfect and every individual cannot be 100% satisfied.
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Feb 12, 2015 03:43
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Rush Limbaugh on Jon Stewart, to paraphrase: "He had a big part in poisoning Republicanism, he doesn't understand Federalism, but he greased the skids for the worst presidential policy in several of our lifetimes." I never thought Rush would give Jon so much credit!! Amazing.
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Feb 12, 2015 04:59
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Dr. Faustus posted:Rush Limbaugh on Jon Stewart, to paraphrase: I REALLY, REALLY want Jon to reply, but at the same time he's above Rush, IMO.
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Feb 12, 2015 05:15
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Coohoolin posted:States' Rights stuff in the US always seems weird to me; in a UK context and even in a wider European context decentralization goes hand in hand with leftism and as a Socialist in Scotland my best chance for seeing the politics I want is if Scotland goes independent. Superficial research seems to indicate the same to be the case in Catalonia, and we all know what's happening in Greece. Europe has a long history of small, labor-centric leftist movements organizing bottom-up opposition to established authorities. Yall got anarcho-syndicalists and libertarian socialists and communalists to go along with regular-type leftists. Whereas the heyday of American (economic) leftism was our brush with bigassed Command economies. In America we haven't had grassroots socialist movements like that since the old SPA went down, and the SPA's traction was limited by the degree to which establishment-party politicians - particularly in the impoverished rural South - were able to co-opt revolutionary rhetoric while ultimately remaining within the system. Dixiecrats and Great Plains populists stole the socialists' thunder without becoming socialists. American cultural narratives are more defined by the gentry's struggle to escape the responsibilities levied by popular authority, less by the working class's struggle to throw of the yoke of aristocratic oppression. PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 05:37 on Feb 12, 2015 |
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Feb 12, 2015 05:34
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In the United States, "states' rights" is nothing more than a smokescreen to allow for the passage of certain policies (such as those related to abortion and race) that would be controversial at a federal level without explicitly endorsing them.
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Feb 12, 2015 05:54
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site posted:You guys missed the point, fascism/authoritarianism and communism operationally function the same way. Lol
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Feb 12, 2015 05:54
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"Doesn't understand federalism" 2016 Presidential Campaign - Election of 1800 all over again.
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Feb 12, 2015 07:00
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Shbobdb posted:Bolshevism I'll give you, but post-"night of the long knives" Nazism and Stalinism were both pretty damned conservative. Italian fascism, now that was modern as hell. Take one look at the art and architecture and they fall into "modern" and "romantic" really loving quickly. I don't really agree, though, that conservatism and modernism can't coexist: Nazi ideology and rhetoric picked up elements of modernism even while it mostly rejected modern art itself. I'm talking in terms of aesthetics and rhetoric: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactionary_modernism Again, though, I'm not actually going to defend idiots conflating fascism and Bolshevism, because these aren't the types of conversations most people have around the water cooler at work unless they're trying to prove that really the progressives are just the same as Nazis, man. The fact that two anti-liberal totalitarian regimes in the interwar period were influenced by similar broad intellectual tendencies which emerged in response to WWI and liberalism shouldn't surprise anyone. I just think it's an interesting topic. Cognac McCarthy fucked around with this message at 09:35 on Feb 12, 2015 |
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Feb 12, 2015 09:31
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StandardVC10 posted:In the United States, "states' rights" is nothing more than a smokescreen to allow for the passage of certain policies (such as those related to abortion and race) that would be controversial at a federal level without explicitly endorsing them. Exactly. Notice how quick they are to pass sweeping federal laws when states want gay marriage or Midwestern senators telling DC they can't have the legalized pot they voted for (DC isn't a state  ).
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Feb 12, 2015 12:17
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beatlegs posted:They throw their own under the bus without a second thought if it means scoring a "liberals are the REAL..." propaganda point. They'll throw their own under the bus for pretty much any reason at all. If a conservative does anything other than march in lockstep with whatever the day's talking point is they're a RINO and must be destroyed.
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Feb 12, 2015 13:33
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ToxicSlurpee posted:They'll throw their own under the bus for pretty much any reason at all. If a conservative does anything other than march in lockstep with whatever the day's talking point is they're a RINO and must be destroyed. Not quite. Go against the established dogma and you'll be hung out to dry. But simply getting caught in malfeasance, felony, corruption of lies are no reason to abandon a fellow conservative. The democrats fired Shirley Sherrod over basically nothing, but Pill-popper Rushm actual traitor Oliver North and Payday Gang Honorary member Rick Scott are above all blame.
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Feb 12, 2015 14:12
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CommieGIR posted:I'm suprised they are not cheering the guy on for tackling the Muslim menace. There's a decent amount in the Freep thread. No one in the mainstream will cheer murder directly but they will certainly not speak out against their base doing so.
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Feb 12, 2015 14:22
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Periodiko posted:You're being silly. He was making a joke about the way Obama is treated versus other world leaders. The right doesn't think we're doing literally nothing, and they're not "lying" trying to tell people that we aren't bombing ISIS when we actually are. If you actually watch right-wing media or Fox News, the primary argument is that bombing is insufficient, that it's essentially a low-commitment exercise to give the appearance of doing something, to avoiding having to making any tough decisions about putting troops on the ground. Now that the President is asking for just that, they're suddenly all against it. You couldn't be so loving wrong if you tried. It doesn't matter what the President does, they will be against it. They're reactionary assholes.
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Feb 12, 2015 15:17
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StandardVC10 posted:In the United States, "states' rights" is nothing more than a smokescreen to allow for the passage of certain policies (such as those related to abortion and race) that would be controversial at a federal level without explicitly endorsing them. I spent much of grade school in Texas and until recently I genuinely thought the Civil War was about State's Rights and that the whole slavery thing was just a popular modern misconception.
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Feb 12, 2015 16:32
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Tender Bender posted:I spent much of grade school in Texas and until recently I genuinely thought the Civil War was about State's Rights and that the whole slavery thing was just a popular modern misconception. I was born in Michigan and went to school there til I was about 14, then moved to Louisiana. I heard that a lot down here and my response was "yes, the state's right to do.... what?" It is (or was 20 years ago) a very different curriculum between areas.
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Feb 12, 2015 16:58
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Tender Bender posted:I spent much of grade school in Texas and until recently I genuinely thought the Civil War was about State's Rights and that the whole slavery thing was just a popular modern misconception.
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Feb 12, 2015 16:59
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Tender Bender posted:I spent much of grade school in Texas and until recently I genuinely thought the Civil War was about State's Rights and that the whole slavery thing was just a popular modern misconception. Isn't there a quote that goes "People who know about the Civil War believe it was about slavery, people who learn about the Civil War think it was about state's rights, and people who study the Civil War know it was about slavery."
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quote:You will notice on the flag that all of the southern states are represented at the bottom of the flag while all of the northern states are the stars at the top. Even later states added after the Civil War were allowed to be placed at the top of the flag. This is because states like Alaska and Hawaii and others never betrayed their country or enslaved anyone, so they deserve to be up at the top and not down in the star sewer where the devils live. Well that's probably the first time a front page article has had an effect on my penile circumference.
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Feb 12, 2015 17:03
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Tender Bender posted:I spent much of grade school in Texas and until recently I genuinely thought the Civil War was about State's Rights and that the whole slavery thing was just a popular modern misconception. I was sold this line at a pretty well-regarded school in New York too, so I don't think it's just a southern thing. Even at 13 (or however old I was) I could tell it was a load of bullshit.
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Coohoolin posted:States' Rights stuff in the US always seems weird to me; in a UK context and even in a wider European context decentralization goes hand in hand with leftism and as a Socialist in Scotland my best chance for seeing the politics I want is if Scotland goes independent. Superficial research seems to indicate the same to be the case in Catalonia, and we all know what's happening in Greece. Think of the Federal Government not as the UK Parliament but the EU Parliament.
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Feb 12, 2015 17:22
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Duke Igthorn posted:Notice she didn't say America wasn't doing anything, just Obama. Has Obama done anything himself? How many shots has he fired? I remember there was a guy, big time right wing Republican, can't really remember his name but I remember he put on a flight suit himself and then, I think, killed Osama and Saddam? Are people really dumb enough to believe that the King of Jordan is actually doing anything except telling his troops to drop bombs on things? I mean, everyone knows that the King is well known as someone who dresses up to play a part. Just because he was in a starfleet uniform, it doesn't mean he also was actually on a starship in the Delta Quadrant.
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Is it ISIL or ISIS?
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BiggerBoat posted:Is it ISIL or ISIS? 
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Feb 12, 2015 19:40
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BiggerBoat posted:Is it ISIL or ISIS? They're both the same thing, the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, or Iraq and Syria, depending on who you ask, or which person is speaking about it. I've heard John Kerry adopting the acronym DAESH lately, though, which is the term Arabs fighting against ISIL use to describe it.
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Feb 12, 2015 19:40
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MizPiz posted:Isn't there a quote that goes "People who know about the Civil War believe it was about slavery, people who learn about the Civil War think it was about state's rights, and people who study the Civil War know it was about slavery." I think it's closer to "people who know nothing about the Civil War think it was about slavery, people who know a little think it was about states rights, and people who know a lot know it was about slavery."
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Letting them be defined by the name "ISIS" was a really really big gently caress up in my opinion. I don't know if they did that on purpose but every yahoo from shore to shore took the bait and immediately wanted G.I. Joe deployed to punch them in the kisser because it sounded like a goddamn marvel comics bad guy army.
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I hate it when people call them ISIS. Isis was an Egyptian diety. I prefer calling them ISIL(Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant), but maybe Daesh is the best way to troll them: http://www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2014/sep/21/islamic-state-isis-isil-daesh
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Feb 12, 2015 21:02
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It seems really petty not to call organizations what they call themselves. I don't mean when regular people call them daesh, I mean when the White House makes a big deal of picking the least sexy name out of some past evolution and drags the media along with it.
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SedanChair posted:It seems really petty not to call organizations what they call themselves. I don't mean when regular people call them daesh, I mean when the White House makes a big deal of picking the least sexy name out of some past evolution and drags the media along with it. We don't even do this for real countries, c'mon now
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"Excuse me, the proper nomenclature according to our style guide is actually 'The Illegitimate North Korean Confederation of Bitches Commanded by a Fatlord.'"
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I'm opposed to calling them ISIL.
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SedanChair posted:"Excuse me, the proper nomenclature according to our style guide is actually 'The Illegitimate North Korean Confederation of Bitches Commanded by a Fatlord.'" As opposed to "Democratic People's Republic of Korea"? Of the legitimate choices (North Korea, Korea, DPRK), North Korea's also the most insulting choice of name for that country to the people of that country. Idran fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Feb 12, 2015 |
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Feb 12, 2015 21:57
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I wish Daily Kos would put a kibosh on the constant use of Republicans did X "Because reasons" and "Because of course they did". It's hard enough reading the place as is but it's like every article has one of those now. 90% of the time I'm just hunting for the link to the source article and reading that instead. They do have some sweet comics though.
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Vriess posted:Now that the President is asking for just that, they're suddenly all against it. A criticism doesn't stop being effective just because it's founded in oppositional two-party politics, dude. Also, Republican Congressional hawks are not "suddenly all against" authorizing force. BiggerBoat posted:I'm going to have to address this complete load of nonsensical and illogical horse poo poo in the morning. Someone save my place in line while I go eat dinner, put my kid to bed and grab a quick shower. 
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Darkman Fanpage posted:Give the Kurds their own country. Gotta throw Turkey into chaos first.
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