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triplexpac posted:Haha yeah considering how hosed up his hip was from years of big elbows, maybe he should have not jumped off a cage. The cage jump wasn't even in Savage's actual match, he ran in on the Hogan/Piper match (lol at that being the main event on the same show as Eddie/Rey) and just jumped straight into the ring. That was the same main event that had the fan climbing into the cage and all the wrestlers beating him up in what may or may not have been legit, and then the show just going off the air with Piper still handcuffed to the cage. It was a classic WCW overbooked clusterfuck.
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Gatorfade posted:Didn't savage have some ok matches with Bret around 98-99? Like not stellar, but pretty good. They had a match at Slamboree '98 that was like, ok-ish, mediocre-to-passable at best. If I remember correctly, Bret wasn't working as hard as he could, but it was getting towards end-times WCW, so why the gently caress you would I don't know.
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Gatorfade posted:Didn't savage have some ok matches with Bret around 98-99? Like not stellar, but pretty good. Derp derp, I posted this in the wrong thread: We could argue back and forth about which matches were decent vs. good, but basically if Savage had a good match in WCW, it was because Flair or DDP helped. Hart/Savage had only happened once before, on a WWF house show, and this was the first, last, and only singles match they ever had on TV. In true WCW style it was an overbooked mess and basically everything that nobody wanted that match to be. Savage was injured, Bret was turned heel way too soon, the storyline leading up to it made no sense, there were multiple run-ins and Piper taking a ref bump, and then Piper Dusty-Finished it on the following Nitro. The only saving grace was that Bret is so good, him doing things by-the-numbers can save a match from being a turd.
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So what happened with Bret's WCW run? Him leaving WWF was a big enough deal that Montreal happened, but I don't really remember him doing much of note in WCW. Was it the typical Hogan/nWo putting themselves over everyone, or was it something else?
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IIRC, in the WWE match Bret accidentally potatoed Randy, apologized afterwards, and Randy goes "S'okay, it's good for business!".
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Benne posted:So what happened with Bret's WCW run? Him leaving WWF was a big enough deal that Montreal happened, but I don't really remember him doing much of note in WCW. Was it the typical Hogan/nWo putting themselves over everyone, or was it something else? Bret was brought in and originally planned to feud with Flair, Hogan and probably Sting at some point. A match with Flair happened at Souled Out 98 and did really well, but they had their legs cut out from under them and were switched to a tag team together which was immediately canned and then Flair ended up in his legal dispute with Bischoff. They then moved Hart to a program with Hennig and Adams, seemingly the start of Hart going through the nWo until he got to Hogan... and then they turned him heel as Hogan's buddy (presumably to set up a Hogan feud later) because they were doing the Hogan/Nash feud (which never led to a singles match.) Goldberg then got the title from Hogan so a Hart/Hogan title match couldn't happen, so he kept floundering as a heel and by October they put him in a US title program. He got caught up in a company that had a ton of infighting and guys vying for spots and got out worked.
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MassRafTer posted:Bret was brought in and originally planned to feud with Flair, Hogan and probably Sting at some point. A match with Flair happened at Souled Out 98 and did really well, but they had their legs cut out from under them and were switched to a tag team together which was immediately canned and then Flair ended up in his legal dispute with Bischoff. They then moved Hart to a program with Hennig and Adams, seemingly the start of Hart going through the nWo until he got to Hogan... and then they turned him heel as Hogan's buddy (presumably to set up a Hogan feud later) because they were doing the Hogan/Nash feud (which never led to a singles match.) Goldberg then got the title from Hogan so a Hart/Hogan title match couldn't happen, so he kept floundering as a heel and by October they put him in a US title program. He got caught up in a company that had a ton of infighting and guys vying for spots and got out worked. So, WCW politics as usual. I see. E: Surely Bret could've had some name recognition and pull to get himself into better programs? Or was he not the kind of backstage politician like most people were during his time? Benne fucked around with this message at 00:31 on Feb 13, 2015 |
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Hey now, Bret was a 2-time WCW World Champion, and never lost the belt!
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Benne posted:So, WCW politics as usual. I see. I'm sure he'd have had ample pull if Nash and Hogan hadn't been so entrenched with THEIR pull.
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Once again I must counter MRT's lies with the truthquote:When Bret got to WCW, he was not the Bret Hart that we had watched in WWE. I think the incident with Vince McMahon took a tremendous toll on him. Or perhaps Bret never really felt at home in WCW. Either way, he never quite regained his passion for the business
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Benne posted:So what happened with Bret's WCW run? Him leaving WWF was a big enough deal that Montreal happened, but I don't really remember him doing much of note in WCW. Was it the typical Hogan/nWo putting themselves over everyone, or was it something else? Bad timing, injuries, Owens death, just about everything that could derail his run happened.
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Benne posted:So, WCW politics as usual. I see. As a face, Hart was behind Flair, DDP, Sting, and Goldberg. As a heel he was behind Hogan, Nash, or the rest of the nWo. Hart was going to make a big return in 99, but Owen died the just as he was going to make the rounds on the late night shows. He pushed his return off a few more months, and then he was forced to retire because of injury.
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triplexpac posted:Haha yeah considering how hosed up his hip was from years of big elbows, maybe he should have not jumped off a cage. I recall his mobility was more or less shot late in his WCW run, about the time he came back with a more roided-up physique and a new hairline.  That's from the Spider-Man movie, but you get the idea.
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Lanny Poffo claims that Randy doing repeated bumps onto his head during the filming of the Spiderman movie is what caused Randy to finally retire - he hosed up his neck and was in constant pain after that. Randy insisted on doing his own stuntwork.
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Maybe Randy Savage shouldn't have been doing steroids or taking bumps in his late 40s.
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:Once again I must counter MRT's lies with the truth "I must counter MRT's lies. Actually Bret became really sad, the end."
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:Once again I must counter MRT's lies with the truth God, I wish Meltzer had finished breaking that book down.
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Is that a real quote from Bischoff's book?
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bobkatt013 posted:Is that a real quote from Bischoff's book? It's either from Bischoff's book or Walden by Henry David Thoreau. I was reading them both around the same time so I sometimes get the two confused.
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:Once again I must counter MRT's lies with the truth
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Benne posted:The cage jump wasn't even in Savage's actual match, he ran in on the Hogan/Piper match (lol at that being the main event on the same show as Eddie/Rey) and just jumped straight into the ring. I'm 99% sure the fan who jumped in the ring took a few legit solid shots but I think at first everyone thought he was a wrestler and took it easy on him. I wonder if anyone at WCW security got fired for that poo poo. haljordan fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Feb 17, 2015 |
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haljordan posted:I'm 99% sure the fan who jumped in the ring took a few legit solid shots but I think at first everyone thought he was a wrestler and took it easy on him. I wonder if anyone at WCW security got fired for that poo poo. Doug Dillinger was sorry.
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TONIGHT: ALL THE FALLOUT FROM SPRING STAMPEDE AND MORE! At Spring Stampede Randy Savage won the title from Sting, will Sting get revenge? (He won't, it's Hogan vs Savage for the title tonight) Raven won the US title from DDP, will DDP get revenge? NOPE BECAUSE GOLDBERG VS RAVEN IS TONIGHT PEOPLE! GOLDBERG GOES FOR THE GOLD!!!!!! This match rules you should watch it. There's way more stuff on this show, WCW is starting to lose its mind as the ratings war has drawn even so tune in for all the Macho Madness! 7:30 PM for NECW, 8 PM for Nitro and SSW after Nitro! http://www.psp-tv.com/r/BadMoviesWorseWrestling
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haljordan posted:I'm 99% sure the fan who jumped in the ring took a few legit solid shots but I think at first everyone thought he was a wrestler and took it easy on him. I wonder if anyone at WCW security got fired for that poo poo. My favorite part of that was Hogan stiffing him and Macho Man having to move the guy into the ring so security can get to him and hold things down.
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RZApublican posted:My favorite part of that was Hogan stiffing him and Macho Man having to move the guy into the ring so security can get to him and hold things down. Hogan throws worked punches, the guy was a plant.
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Wrestling Observer Dec 29, 1997 posted:The professional future of Alex Wright is very much in question after his brain aneurism as he's back in Germany. This would be a shame as he had potential to be one of the best. Holy crap, this is the first I heard of Alex Wright having a brain aneurism. Can someone provide any more details on this? Did it happen while on tour? Did they mention it on air at all? How long was he out for? On his wikipedia page, it skims right over it so its hard to get any grasp on what happened.
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there is nothing so fine as watching nitros/thunders from 1999-2001. what the gently caress were they thinking
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NickRoweFillea posted:what the gently caress were they thinking wcw.txt
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NickRoweFillea posted:there is nothing so fine as watching nitros/thunders from 1999-2001. what the gently caress were they thinking Thunder is mostly good in 2001.
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Hot WCW news! James Vandenberg said as soon as he was hired by Eric Bischoff, Bischoff told him tag teams and managers were both passé and he wanted to get rid of them and the Wrath and Mortis thing was dead as gently caress anyway so don't think this deal will last. They proceeded to use him for a year, take him off TV, and nobody remembered to cancel his contract until 1999.
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oldpainless posted:That is just so WCW.
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Havoc904 posted:Holy crap, this is the first I heard of Alex Wright having a brain aneurism. Can someone provide any more details on this? Did it happen while on tour? Did they mention it on air at all? How long was he out for? I was trying to find out more info on this the other day, but came up with a lot of hearsay and not much else. If you Google it, there are some references to it not actually being an aneurysm, but there's nothing concrete. Guess we'll find out in a few more back issues.
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Yeah he was a DDP guy apparently which is probably why he got the sweet Turner money since DDP and Bischoff were buddies. Vandenberg, not Wright.
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Paying people for nothing because nobody remembered to cancel their contract. Yeah, that sounds like a WCW thing.
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Say Nothing posted:Paying people for nothing because nobody remembered to cancel their contract. Yeah, that sounds like a WCW thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpnM7mx0dwE
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World Championship Wrestling: "They sent me a Fedex with nothing in it"
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Was WCW that bad at the end? I remember Johnny Ace and co. being able to sculpt the ashes of that company fairly well for a few months.
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Arbite posted:Was WCW that bad at the end? Of course not. Jericho left in 1999.
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