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GokieKS posted:Doing initial boot and OS install with the minimum amount of parts is just best practice for avoiding issues and easily tracking down any problematic components. Same goes for disabling everything you won't be using 100% of the time on a motherboard on that initial boot as well.
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Xenomorph posted:Do you have some example scenarios where disconnecting drives would be needed? Factory Factory posted:sometimes the bootloader gets placed on a different drive than the install target. This, basically. Then you unplug that crappy old HDD and find your SSD no longer boots. I'm not saying it'll happen to everyone - if you know what you're doing it's OK, but it should be standard advice to unplug the other drives first, because it takes no time to do, and prevents any of these issues occurring. It's just another little piece of advice to give people in the build thread to head off any issues. Especially when you're first building a machine, you want to give people confidence and make it as smooth as possible.
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Feb 13, 2015 16:34
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Or you know you could just plug the C: drive into the first SATA port like you're supposed to.
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Feb 13, 2015 17:33
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r0ck0 posted:Or you know you could just plug the C: drive into the first SATA port like you're supposed to. Figuring out which port is the "first" SATA port seems way harder than just unplugging a couple of other drives. Particularly if you have a small case.
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Feb 13, 2015 17:37
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r0ck0 posted:Or you know you could just plug the C: drive into the first SATA port like you're supposed to. That doesn't actually stop the issues being talked about here. Definitely didn't in my case. Thermopyle posted:Figuring out which port is the "first" SATA port seems way harder than just unplugging a couple of other drives. Particularly if you have a small case. I would say to check the labels etched on the mobo, but I remember that even those are sometimes ambiguous about which port they're for.
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Feb 13, 2015 17:42
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Thermopyle posted:Figuring out which port is the "first" SATA port seems way harder than just unplugging a couple of other drives. Particularly if you have a small case. If only there was a book with a picture that showed which is the first port. Oh well better just unplug everything. not mod sass
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Feb 13, 2015 18:02
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These SATA plugs and toolless cases sure are difficult, what with my fingers being broken and all.
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Feb 13, 2015 18:06
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HalloKitty posted:This, basically. Then you unplug that crappy old HDD and find your SSD no longer boots. That might explain why I suddenly couldn't boot to Windows when all I did was move my parts to another case. It's not a big deal for me to reinstall Windows but it was still a  moment for me.
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Feb 13, 2015 18:09
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r0ck0 posted:If only there was a book with a picture that showed which is the first port. Oh well better just unplug everything. Yes, finding a manual, finding the correct page, interpreting the not-so-great documentation, is definitely easier than unplugging a SATA cable or two.
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Feb 13, 2015 18:09
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You could also fix the bootloader, its not hard. http://www.techspot.com/guides/630-windows-8-boot-fix/
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Feb 13, 2015 18:15
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r0ck0 posted:You could also fix the bootloader, its not hard. Doesn't always work. One of the last couple of times I tried to use the recovery environment, it would choke before I could get to the point to run /fixmbr. Also, I don't know what the point of this tangent is. The port the drive is plugged into that you are installing Windows on does not control whether or not Windows decides to grab another drive and install poo poo on it.
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Feb 13, 2015 18:25
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Yes, you could. Now walk your dad through doing it. Point is, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
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Feb 13, 2015 18:25
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jkyuusai posted:Doesn't always work. One of the last couple of times I tried to use the recovery environment, it would choke before I could get to the point to run /fixmbr. For some dumbshit reason it REALLY wants to throw the boot partition onto whichever drive is already formatted with a MBR partition (which the majority of platter drives come set up for out of the box) despite booting a UEFI Windows install. This really shouldn't be a problem, especially when you take measures to force it to UEFI which it doesn't always accept, but here we are.
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Feb 13, 2015 19:29
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Factory Factory posted:Yes, you could. Now walk your dad through doing it. Point is, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. This is it. I have no idea why people are trying to say you shouldn't do it. Everyone is welcome to do whatever they want, but it's a quick and simple tip to not screwing up the Windows install, I don't see anything wrong with suggesting it.
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I ran into that problem myself with the Windows bootloader ending up on my mechanical disk. I used a program called EasyBCD to change it over to the SSD with no hassle. It just sucks that you need third-party software to manage the bootloader easily because msconfig still doesn't have all the options you might need with the more sophisticated bootloader that came with Vista onwards.
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EasyBCD is a fantastic program.
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Someone was asking about an SSD for a T61 laptop: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236642 Might be the only time you could recommend this, simply because I don't think the T61 has dual bays. I'd just make sure it isn't too large first. Also, this might be one of the best deals I've ever seen on the 480GB Intel 730: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167192 Comes with a free code for GRID Autosport which you could probably eBay for ~15-20 bucks - though it seems to be something that you're supposed to get when buying an eVGA Z97 board along with the 730, so don't expect it to last. Very decent price if you've been made skittish of the 8x0 EVO drives. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Feb 14, 2015 |
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Same goes for disabling everything you won't be using 100% of the time on a motherboard on that initial boot as well. I thought my video capture card was broken. I'm glad I kept it instead of recycling it because when I upgraded to a new motherboard that had PCIe LSPM off by default, it magically began working fine!
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Whelp, my 128GB M4 with 28k power on hours just failed. Not gracefully either, the system just started pitching a fit about I/O errors, nothing could write to the system root, and I can't copy much of anything off the disk (although the OS still boots, so that's a plus! I'm writing from the desktop now). No issues when I last checked the SMART data a few days ago, so it just up and took a crap all at once. What should I replace it with? My Intel 320 bought at the same time is still chugging along (with much lighter use), so I'm debating if I should just suck it up and buy Intel. I'm reinstalling to a 200GB partition on a platter drive as a temp fix, so I can easily swap back to a SSD later.code:
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PitViper posted:Whelp, my 128GB M4 with 28k power on hours just failed. Not gracefully either, the system just started pitching a fit about I/O errors, nothing could write to the system root, and I can't copy much of anything off the disk (although the OS still boots, so that's a plus! I'm writing from the desktop now). No issues when I last checked the SMART data a few days ago, so it just up and took a crap all at once. What should I replace it with? My Intel 320 bought at the same time is still chugging along (with much lighter use), so I'm debating if I should just suck it up and buy Intel. I'm reinstalling to a 200GB partition on a platter drive as a temp fix, so I can easily swap back to a SSD later. Intel 530 or 730 or Samsung 850 EVO or Pro seem like the current good choices. The 250gb 850 EVO is still $99.99 on amazon and has been for a couple of days which is a pretty good buy.
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I'm leaning towards a 530, unless the 730 is large step up. The Samsung might be a good option, but its an Ubuntu system so RAPID isn't a big selling point. If the difference is only $20-30, I'll pay for the Intel name and reliability over any small speed boost.
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PitViper posted:I'm leaning towards a 530, unless the 730 is large step up. The Samsung might be a good option, but its an Ubuntu system so RAPID isn't a big selling point. If the difference is only $20-30, I'll pay for the Intel name and reliability over any small speed boost. Without using RAPID there's less of a speed difference so intel makes sense. I have a 530 in my laptop that's been very solid.
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well my 850 evo is now in and everything got copied over and a fresh install of windows 8.1 etc... I honestly only notice a difference in boot times. Loading times on games seem to be similar to me. Maybe I had the best Samsung HDD ever? EDIT-- and before everyone starts throwing a fit I have AHCI enabled so that's not the issue =) Darkpriest667 fucked around with this message at 04:23 on Feb 15, 2015 |
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Feb 15, 2015 04:16
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Loading times on games is dependent on the game really, the three that you'd really notice a huge different would be Max Payne 3, Rome II, and Battlefield 4. All 3 are pretty notorious for load times.
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Rexxed posted:Without using RAPID there's less of a speed difference so intel makes sense. I have a 530 in my laptop that's been very solid. Yea, comparing between the 530, 730, and the 850 Evo, I picked the 530. Seemed the be the best balance of reliability, price, and speed. I use the system primarily as a NAS, and might login to the desktop 4-5 times a week do do some photo editing, work on a few VMs, or anything I don't feel like doing on a small laptop screen. Reliability is top of my list, since I expect this system to be up 24/7 with as little downtime as I can manage.
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Thanks for the tip on the 99$ 850 EVO drives. I'm currently cloning my old Intel boot SSD using the Samsung migration software. Unfortunately I only have a USB2.0 to SATA adapter, so its going to take an hour to move things over. Could I have still used the migration software if I just plugged it into a spare SATA port? Seems like it would have been the fast and easy way, but I'm just following the guide they include with the drive.
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Rexxed posted:Without using RAPID there's less of a speed difference so intel makes sense. I have a 530 in my laptop that's been very solid. Keep in mind, RAPID mode is just a large cache scheme using 1-4gb of RAM. It can make random accesses to oft-read areas much faster, and buffer write commands, but it doesn't speed up loading something that is not predicted to be loaded, or is much larger than the cache, which is where most games would fall. Once the game is loaded though, it should improve between-level screen loading and other aspects.
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I bought the PNY Optima 240GB to stick in my work computer (so I could stick the mSATA drive I was using in a SATA adapter into a ThinkPad) and it's been doing the long pause thing. Off to update the firmware... edit: tricked you, there isn't an updated version. Bob Morales fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Feb 17, 2015 |
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I've gotten tired of having to carefully manage the space used on my 256GB SSD, so I went ahead and bought a 512 GB Samsung 850 Pro. Now to figure out how to move my system over to the new drive. When I moved from my mechanical drive to this current SSD I used Windows' own system image backup and restore thing which worked perfectly. Except now I'm on 8.1 and not sure if the restore utility on the W7 disk will work with an 8.1 image. Logically it shouldn't matter, but then the people who write these programs aren't always logical.
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Inverness posted:I've gotten tired of having to carefully manage the space used on my 256GB SSD, so I went ahead and bought a 512 GB Samsung 850 Pro. Just image it over with macrium reflect or something. Disk imaging has been a thing since the 90s, it's pretty solid. I believe windows 8 removed backup and restore but I'm not much of a windows 8 expert because I don't use it.
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Rexxed posted:Just image it over with macrium reflect or something. Disk imaging has been a thing since the 90s, it's pretty solid. I believe windows 8 removed backup and restore but I'm not much of a windows 8 expert because I don't use it. Edit: So apparently the WBAdmin program can do everything I need, except deleting the old backup on the drive I made a year ago. When I try it says "The DELETE SYSTEMSTATEBACKUP command is not supported in this version of Windows." Damnit Microsoft.  Edit 2: Well it seems its perfectly okay to delete the image backup folder entirely. So I did and now everything is peachy. I don't know why Windows thinks my G drive has critical files. Is there any way to find out? Does it have something to do with it being in slot 0 in my motherboard or something? It doesn't really matter though since using WBAdmin manually lets me exclude it. Inverness fucked around with this message at 04:54 on Feb 18, 2015 |
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What was the program to copy everything over from an old hdd drive to a new ssd drive? I think it started with an M. Also, would it work correctly if the source drive is encrypted? Do I need to do any extra steps to set the encryption flags on the destination SSD?
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Peanut and the Gang posted:What was the program to copy everything over from an old hdd drive to a new ssd drive? I think it started with an M. Macrium Reflect.
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Wilford Cutlery posted:Macrium Reflect. Thank you kindly. 
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So, HDD Regenerator reported a 0x02 SMART error on my 2 week old Samsung 850 Evo....uhhh...what do I do? I just got this reformat job done..
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89 posted:So, HDD Regenerator reported a 0x02 SMART error on my 2 week old Samsung 850 Evo....uhhh...what do I do? Your... throughput performance has an issue?  We use a disk query tool that doesn't suck, like CrystalDiskInfo or whatever OS X/Linux/whatever comes with. If it's an actual problem it's early enough for a diskpart clean or ATA secure erase and a summary RMA.
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Hey SSD thread, I recently bought this here T440 off the Lenovo Outlet Store:  ...and I'm planning to switch the manufacturer HDD out for an aftermarket SSD, specifically, I'm eyeballing this Samsung 850 Evo 250GB from newegg. A kind soul from the Laptop thread already advised me that I'd be able to make a bootable USB drive with the OS shipped with the Laptop that I would then be able to install on the SSD, but should I check around for different SSD models, or is the above 250GB Evo the best value-for-money deal I can get? 119$ is bringing the entirety of this bundle into the steep end of my budget, but if I'd have to eat a sharp decline in reliability and such when going to 128GB models, I guess I'd be okay with it. I have a 2 TB external USB drive, so I don't really care about storage at all on the Laptop drive, but I've been getting the impression I would want more than 128 because of the size of OS installations, basic programs, games, etc. /edit: Ancillary question: This thing'll fit into my Laptop as is without any additional hardware? Or am I eyeballing a non-Laptop-slotty SSD? Duzzy Funlop fucked around with this message at 08:06 on Feb 20, 2015 |
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Duzzy Funlop posted:Ancillary question: This thing'll fit into my Laptop as is without any additional hardware? Or am I eyeballing a non-Laptop-slotty SSD? I just stuck an 850 EVO in a T440S, has a regular SATA bay.
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If I weren't willing to (for reasons I really don't want to discuss!) buy a Samsung SSD, what should I get? 512gb, SATA.
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