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bman in 2288 posted:So, as a Shulk main, how to I successfully defeat a Captain Falcon that's got his perfect pivot down and has an incredible rush-down game?
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bman in 2288 posted:So, as a Shulk main, how to I successfully defeat a Captain Falcon that's got his perfect pivot down and has an incredible rush-down game? You probably dont.
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Feb 13, 2015 15:16
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bman in 2288 posted:So, as a Shulk main, how to I successfully defeat a Captain Falcon that's got his perfect pivot down and has an incredible rush-down game? How good is his taunt game? Shulk is one of the few characters with a taunt game close to Captain Falcon's (not equal, of course, because Captain Falcon's taunt game is the best now and forever). You must beat him in that area to win. Whenever he tells you to show him your moves, you must point out how you're really feeling it. If he doesn't, make sure to make him know that now it's Shulk time. And when you obtain victory, scream loud and clear that that is the Monado's power. Remember: taunts are what truly matter in this world.
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Feb 13, 2015 15:46
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FactsAreUseless posted:Master your perfect pivot and learn to play at his speed. I can't practice, he can (he has WiiU). This guy (who is my friend) is much better at reading and baiting than I am. It seems nearly all my moves come out too slow against him. But my taunt game is so much better than his.
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Feb 13, 2015 15:54
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bman in 2288 posted:I can't practice, he can (he has WiiU). This guy (who is my friend) is much better at reading and baiting than I am. It seems nearly all my moves come out too slow against him.
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Feb 13, 2015 16:00
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FactsAreUseless posted:Then you're probably not going to beat him. ...I need more training...
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Feb 13, 2015 16:08
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bman in 2288 posted:...I need more training... You just gotta be really feelin' it, man. then you will beat him!
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Feb 13, 2015 16:15
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You should 1v1 me; I will teach you to show your moves, and to really feel it. I will await your friend request in my dojo, #goonsmash
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Feb 13, 2015 16:24
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bman in 2288 posted:I can't practice, he can (he has WiiU). This is the actual reason you're losing
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Feb 13, 2015 16:32
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Of the 5 big and slow characters - DK, Ganondorf, Charizard, Bowser, and Dedede - which do people feel is most competitive? Or if not competitive, at least somewhat able to defend themselves from the small and fast characters like Sheik etc.? I have been getting housed with Ganon, DK is a little better... Switching to Zero Suit Samus seems to make me a much better player even though I only spend a fraction of the time playing that character. It's frustrating how much easier it is to play with the fast characters though.
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Feb 13, 2015 16:37
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bman in 2288 posted:...I need more training...
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Feb 13, 2015 16:38
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Smashing Link posted:Of the 5 big and slow characters - DK, Ganondorf, Charizard, Bowser, and Dedede - which do people feel is most competitive? Or if not competitive, at least somewhat able to defend themselves from the small and fast characters like Sheik etc.? I have been getting housed with Ganon, DK is a little better... Switching to Zero Suit Samus seems to make me a much better player even though I only spend a fraction of the time playing that character. It's frustrating how much easier it is to play with the fast characters though. That's just a symptom of how Smash plays. Fast, small characters have been top dog in literally every Smash since 64. Slower characters tend to be at the bottom. 
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Feb 13, 2015 16:39
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Smashing Link posted:Of the 5 big and slow characters - DK, Ganondorf, Charizard, Bowser, and Dedede - which do people feel is most competitive? Or if not competitive, at least somewhat able to defend themselves from the small and fast characters like Sheik etc.? I have been getting housed with Ganon, DK is a little better... Switching to Zero Suit Samus seems to make me a much better player even though I only spend a fraction of the time playing that character. It's frustrating how much easier it is to play with the fast characters though. I crush ninja's and hedgehogs with Dedede's hammer all the time so I vote for him.
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Feb 13, 2015 16:47
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TheKingofSprings posted:That's just a symptom of how Smash plays. Fast, small characters have been top dog in literally every Smash since 64. but the slow characters are actually good in this game. Ganondorf is particularly good at demolishing someone in like three hits.
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Feb 13, 2015 16:49
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How Rude posted:but the slow characters are actually good in this game. Ganondorf is particularly good at demolishing someone in like three hits. That doesn't really help them if they can't actually touch their speedier opponents that attack way faster.
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Feb 13, 2015 16:51
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ChaosArgate posted:That doesn't really help them if they can't actually touch their speedier opponents that attack way faster. You just have to wait for them to make a mistake, and punish them.
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Feb 13, 2015 16:53
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Smashing Link posted:Of the 5 big and slow characters - DK, Ganondorf, Charizard, Bowser, and Dedede - which do people feel is most competitive? Or if not competitive, at least somewhat able to defend themselves from the small and fast characters like Sheik etc.? I have been getting housed with Ganon, DK is a little better... Switching to Zero Suit Samus seems to make me a much better player even though I only spend a fraction of the time playing that character. It's frustrating how much easier it is to play with the fast characters though. Bowser and Dedede are the best out of that group, but they're all viable. Compare just about every character in this game with ZSS and you'll end up disappointed, considering she's one of the best in the game and one of the easiest to play.
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Feb 13, 2015 16:54
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How Rude posted:You just have to wait for them to make a mistake, and punish them. A character that's only good when you have good reads isn't really good at all.
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Feb 13, 2015 16:57
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How Rude posted:but the slow characters are actually good in this game. Ganondorf is particularly good at demolishing someone in like three hits. all 3 of those hits which need to be hard reads since everything comes out so slow and his pants making GBS threads run doesnt help and his landing lag is terrible meanwhile the (probably) ranged character can spam projectiles at you slowly clunking ganondorf up to high %'s and shield and dodge whenever they see him busting a move a mile away
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Feb 13, 2015 16:59
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Ruggington posted:Bowser and Dedede are the best out of that group, but they're all viable. Compare just about every character in this game with ZSS and you'll end up disappointed, considering she's one of the best in the game and one of the easiest to play. In order of those heavies, from most to least viable, I'd say DeDeDe, DK, Bowser, Ganondorf, and Charizard. DK and Bowser are very close. I'm only choosing DK because I haven't seen a Bowser as good as some DKs I've seen.
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Feb 13, 2015 17:00
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TheKingofSprings posted:A character that's only good when you have good reads isn't really good at all. Dis.
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Feb 13, 2015 17:00
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If you're the only one who owns the game in your group of friends, the onus is on you to select random for every match. It is the honorable way. 
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Feb 13, 2015 17:00
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I'm sorry you guys hate having fun so much as to not choose a character because they are seen as bad, when in fact they are fun and good.
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Feb 13, 2015 17:04
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Dedede is good against fast characters because he can zone people out really well with his gordos and has an extremely quick nair with virtually no landing lag. Also his forward tilt and jab combo with the disjointed hitbox. But I beat Sonics with Ganondorf all the time. Unless you're playing at a hyper competitive level (like tournaments) then tier don't really matter that much imo. Just play who you like and get good at them and you can beat any character.
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Feb 13, 2015 17:15
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My biggest complaint with DK is that compared to Melee, smash attacks seem to have significantly reduced range.
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Feb 13, 2015 17:20
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PantsBandit posted:Dedede is good against fast characters because he can zone people out really well with his gordos and has an extremely quick nair with virtually no landing lag. Also his forward tilt and jab combo with the disjointed hitbox. even in competitive level tournaments people have picked Kirby in Melee and Ganondorf in Brawl and won so it's all mostly anecdotal whether a character is good or not.
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Feb 13, 2015 17:21
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How Rude posted:even in competitive level tournaments people have picked Kirby in Melee and Ganondorf in Brawl and won so it's all mostly anecdotal whether a character is good or not. https://youtube.com/watch?v=blsY7fX3LvU this is the kind of scenario where that happens
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Feb 13, 2015 17:24
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How Rude posted:even in competitive level tournaments people have picked Kirby in Melee and Ganondorf in Brawl and won so it's all mostly anecdotal whether a character is good or not. I can't vouch for Brawl but if you could show me where a Kirby has ever placed well in recent Melee tournaments
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Feb 13, 2015 18:58
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Kaubocks posted:I can't vouch for Brawl but if you could show me where a Kirby has ever placed well in recent Melee tournaments Go watch ChuDat
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Feb 13, 2015 19:21
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TheKingofSprings posted:https://youtube.com/watch?v=blsY7fX3LvU this is the kind of scenario where that happens Holy poo poo the youtube comments, all the smash bros autists are trying to quantify character choices in a fighting game as disrespectful because someone picked a character that is considered the worst and won. "But Shiek is BETTER you MUST PICK HER if you are a SERIOUS COMPETITIVE PLAYER  "what happened to picking what you like and doing well with it in a video game, geez
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Feb 13, 2015 19:32
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How Rude posted:what happened to picking what you like and doing well with it in a video game, geez Welcome to eSports.
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Feb 13, 2015 19:34
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ChaosArgate posted:Welcome to eSports. well, wouldn't it be more logical and like, not completely autistic to say that the person picking a "joke" character beating someone picking a totally "good" character is better at the game then? It's a fighting game, I thought you just played what you specialized in, not what the majority of players agreed were the best.
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Feb 13, 2015 19:36
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that's why they said it, mew2king is way better than the other guy and pichu is really bad. kinda like playing a game left handed because you think you're that much better than the other guy other guy should just get good though
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Feb 13, 2015 19:38
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How Rude posted:what happened to picking what you like and doing well with it in a video game, geez You should try playing an online fighting game where the other player can see who you pick. I've played some games online where loads of players refuse to pick their character until after you do.
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Feb 13, 2015 19:40
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Sudo Echo posted:Go watch ChuDat That's only Brawl and PM (and Smash 4?). In Melee he plays Ice Climbers. Mango has an amazing Kirby, which he uses to sandbag sometimes, but it doesn't stand a chance in tournament. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxcRCpsMwjo
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Feb 13, 2015 19:47
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How Rude posted:well, wouldn't it be more logical and like, not completely autistic to say that the person picking a "joke" character beating someone picking a totally "good" character is better at the game then? It's a fighting game, I thought you just played what you specialized in, not what the majority of players agreed were the best. M2K is better than all of 20 people on the planet at Smash Bros. Melee. Because he is not necessarily better than those 20 people, if he wants to win a tournament he must play as characters with particular advantages. E: and there are people who play specialized characters, google AMSa's Yoshi sometime.
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Feb 13, 2015 20:19
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Lunatic Sledge posted:Alright, so, question. If Shulk is throwing out counters constantly, is there any way to punish him? mabels big day posted:In order of those heavies, from most to least viable, I'd say DeDeDe, DK, Bowser, Ganondorf, and Charizard. DK and Bowser are very close. I'm only choosing DK because I haven't seen a Bowser as good as some DKs I've seen.
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Feb 13, 2015 20:35
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How Rude posted:Holy poo poo the youtube comments, all the smash bros autists are trying to quantify character choices in a fighting game as disrespectful because someone picked a character that is considered the worst and won. "But Shiek is BETTER you MUST PICK HER if you are a SERIOUS COMPETITIVE PLAYER lol
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Feb 13, 2015 20:56
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Sudo Echo posted:Go watch ChuDat Or Triple R. He's still bad because he plays Kirby but he's probably the single best dedicated Kirby main still playing. Leffen once won a whole swedish tournament playing Pichu with a level 1 cpu as a partner in doubles. That was pretty funny. Not sure if it was a big tournament or was recorded but he posted about it on twitter a few months back. Edit: Dedede is very dangerous to play against any character with a disjointed hitbox because his gordos can be smacked right back into his face and there isn't a whole lot he can do about it. laplace fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Feb 13, 2015 |
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Feb 13, 2015 21:14
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laplace posted:Or Triple R. See people always say that but if you're using your gordos as a pure projectile instead of as a zoning tool then you're just playing dedede wrong. You shouldn't give them the chance to hit them back and if it seems like they will you just need to be ready for it.
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Feb 13, 2015 21:53
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