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Rocksicles posted:She got a sack of money. Something tells me she's alright. At least until the big catastrophe that happens at the end of the next season of The Flash where she will probably die.
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Feb 14, 2015 06:56
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Rocksicles posted:She got a sack of money. Something tells me she's alright. That sure helped Moira Queen!
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Feb 14, 2015 09:06
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Bad Moon posted:That sure helped Moira Queen! Moira's alive and well on a tropical island (not to be confused with The Island), absconding after the earthquake machine incident. She was rich enough to pay to have someone made into a double Blofeld-style, and THAT Moira is the one we saw for season 2.
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Feb 14, 2015 10:14
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Bruceski posted:Moira's alive and well on a tropical island (not to be confused with The Island), absconding after the earthquake machine incident. She was rich enough to pay to have someone made into a double Blofeld-style, and THAT Moira is the one we saw for season 2. The wrong Moira died... 
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Feb 14, 2015 19:28
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Bruceski posted:Moira's alive and well on a tropical island (not to be confused with The Island), absconding with Tommy after the earthquake machine incident. She was rich enough to pay to have someone made into a double Blofeld-style, and THAT Moira is the one we saw for season 2. Fixed
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Feb 14, 2015 19:33
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Rocksicles posted:She got a sack of money. Something tells me she's alright. Especially when it's been revealed that she and her child were recruited by either the League of Assassins or H.I.V.E.
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Feb 14, 2015 21:16
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Xelkelvos posted:Especially when it's been revealed that she and her child were recruited by either the League of Assassins or H.I.V.E. Working as a double agent inside Argus because of course.
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Feb 14, 2015 22:41
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H.I.V.E. seems to have been lost in the mix this season. I'm wondering if they've pushed it to the next season.
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Feb 14, 2015 22:49
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I really enjoyed this week's episode more than the 2 previous ones, but the show is still doing a lot of weird character stumbles. It's cool that Thea had that reaction to Ollie's secret but...would she really react like that? Again, it was pretty weird how Felicity was back with the gang. Edit: Peter Stomare is the WORST Arrow villain. I hope they never go back to the Vertigo well either, unless the Flash has a bad guy with proper Count Vertigo powers.
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Feb 14, 2015 22:53
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I see Felicity there as supporting TEAM Arrow but detached from Oliver himself. That's why she's there despite Oliver's poor choices w/ Malcolm. So when Roy got into it with Oliver & Diggle tries to ramp it down early, Felicity says, "No. WE need this." She then proceeds to poo poo all over the idea that his way of doing things is the best way and they're more than his followers. That is just as consistent as the previous episode where she tells Oliver off after defending his principles in his absence, it's just as consistent as everything she's done and said. People get so focused on being shiipers for the character that they haven't really digested her words. As for Thea, I really think that she came a long way from the Season 1 brat and its nice to see the writers give up on this outdated notion that somebody has to be unwilling to accept Oliver's secret. Too much poor drama is manufactured on tv shows because of the notion that a secret or an obstacle has to be a roadblock to truth and happiness and after awhile the writing becomes poor because the manufacturing of secrets and obstacles feels manufactured. Best example of this was Sons of Anarchy, which shot itself in the foot over the series' duration with this method. The best kind of drama sometimes occurs when you STRIP AWAY a secret and let the outcomes ricochet off the characters organically. Also, Amell will never stop being so loving cool: http://ca.eonline.com/news/624598/arrow-s-stephen-amell-went-above-and-beyond-for-two-fans-grieving-the-loss-of-their-child-get-the-details
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Feb 14, 2015 23:06
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Yannick_B posted:I really enjoyed this week's episode more than the 2 previous ones, but the show is still doing a lot of weird character stumbles.
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Feb 14, 2015 23:08
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Habibi posted:It's too bad they killed off the original Count. He would have been an interesting recurring character with...character. Stormare's version was just one-dimensionally creepy and menacing for the most part. No way, the original Count is the single worst thing about the show.
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Feb 14, 2015 23:18
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BSam posted:No way, the original Count is the single worst thing about the show. That's just patently untrue.
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Feb 14, 2015 23:26
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I approve this high. 
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Feb 14, 2015 23:28
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BSam posted:No way, the original Count is the single worst thing about the show. He was a Joker to Ollie's Batman. He was fun.
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Feb 14, 2015 23:32
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If there's a good reason for thinly justified resurrection via Lazarus pits, with the person who comes back being extra insane, Original Recipe Count Vertigo is definitely it.
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Feb 14, 2015 23:37
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Habibi posted:It's too bad they killed off the original Count. He would have been an interesting recurring character with...character. Stormare's version was just one-dimensionally creepy and menacing for the most part. He's really bad (and I thought the previous Count wasn't great either). I understand the dramatic shortcut of the drug "You see (and eventually defeat) your worse fear!" but man, who puts that on the street as a drug? A frightning military-made drug to fight/torture enemies, sure, but how is the Count building an empire off of that? And he was able to fight a drugged Ollie? Everyone sort of fights good in that tv show, but come on.
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Feb 14, 2015 23:47
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Yannick_B posted:He's really bad (and I thought the previous Count wasn't great either). I understand the dramatic shortcut of the drug "You see (and eventually defeat) your worse fear!" but man, who puts that on the street as a drug? A frightning military-made drug to fight/torture enemies, sure, but how is the Count building an empire off of that? And he was able to fight a drugged Ollie? Everyone sort of fights good in that tv show, but come on. Eh, chances are he used a more potent version against Oliver and Laurel because he was aware someone would try to stop him.
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Feb 15, 2015 00:17
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XboxPants posted:If there's a good reason for thinly justified resurrection via Lazarus pits, with the person who comes back being extra insane, Original Recipe Count Vertigo is definitely it. I want this to happen, just for the ten minute explanation of how it happened. League assassin hooked on vertigo tosses him in, hoping he'll keep supplying him? Ra's al Ghul thought it would be good for a laugh? A Merlin attempt to troll Ollie? Maybe all of season six's flashbacks are for the villains. We watch what Slade's been up to, how Count Vertigo Classic got his groove back, how Captain Boomerang even happened, and somethingsomething Huntress. Also, how Sara managed to come back (she's a clone, and raising clone Thea with Clone Tommy)!
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Feb 15, 2015 00:19
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BSam posted:No way, the Huntress is the single worst thing about the show.
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Feb 15, 2015 00:45
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Marc Guggenheim confirms that Diggle is NOT John Stewart; DC has other plans for Stewart Truly a sad day for Diggle fans everywhere. 
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Feb 15, 2015 01:02
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I wonder if they actually have plans for Stewart or if it's just DC editorial being racist as usual.
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Feb 15, 2015 01:06
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John Jonnz Diggle
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Feb 15, 2015 01:07
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I also preferred Gabel to Stormare as Vertigo. Gabel earned my eternal loyalty by approving my high, ipso facto Gabel.
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Feb 15, 2015 01:08
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Whizbang posted:I wonder if they actually have plans for Stewart or if it's just DC editorial being racist as usual. Stewart is probably locked in for eventual movie Green Lantern, I dont think they'll try it on again with Hal Jordan. Still, a CW show about Family man Diggle being a Lantern and mentoring/training a bunch of alien teen lanterns on earth would've been great.
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Feb 15, 2015 01:08
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Am I the only one who thinks that everyone is always too harsh on Ollie? I mean, he isn't perfect and sometimes he can be very condescending, but he's been a very good friend to all of them (ESPECIALLY Roy) and I just don't get their random bursts of anger towards him all of a sudden.
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Feb 15, 2015 01:14
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Whizbang posted:I wonder if they actually have plans for Stewart or if it's just DC editorial being racist as usual. Uh, the whole "Hey what if this black guy was this other black guy" was pretty racist itself. Captain Mog posted:Am I the only one who thinks that everyone is always too harsh on Ollie? I mean, he isn't perfect and sometimes he can be very condescending, but he's been a very good friend to all of them (ESPECIALLY Roy) and I just don't get their random bursts of anger towards him all of a sudden. No, Felicity is the worst but everyone's attracted to her so it's okay.
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Feb 15, 2015 01:20
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Same first names, same occupations. It'd be like if they gave Thea a biracial artist friend named Kyle Winnick. It's too bad that it's been shot down, but it was a massive long shot in the first place. And I don't really believe that it's a case of "DC shot it down 'cuz they have plans for the character" (what, like they have plans for Ted Kord? Those plans?) as much as it was never the intent in the first place when they created the character. More interesting is the idea that there are two current characters that will evolve into a comic book counterpart. I mean, there's barely any non-comics characters left on the show. One of two candidates is almost certainly Felicity becoming Oracle, and the other...well, the article suggests Thea as Speedy, but that's not an evolution of anything, she's flat-out been Speedy since the first episode.
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Feb 15, 2015 01:41
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John Stewart is an architect.
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Feb 15, 2015 01:45
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BrianWilly posted:Same first names, same occupations. It'd be like if they gave Thea a biracial artist friend named Kyle Winnick. I think it means Thea will put on a mask/hood. And it probably means Tatsu as the other.
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Feb 15, 2015 01:50
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That could be what he's saying, but it seems strange to make it out like some kind of revelation. It's obvious that Tatsu is Katana; this is not a spoiler in any way, because that is literally who she is in the comics and the show revels in the fact. It'd be like if they gave this interview last year and was like "Check it out guys, what if Slade Wilson........is DEATHSTROKE???"Aphrodite posted:John Stewart is an architect.
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Feb 15, 2015 01:59
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BrianWilly posted:It's too bad that it's been shot down, but it was a massive long shot in the first place. And I don't really believe that it's a case of "DC shot it down 'cuz they have plans for the character" (what, like they have plans for Ted Kord? Those plans?) as much as it was never the intent in the first place when they created the character. I don't think DC has plans for Ted Kord, but it would not be surprising if they wanted the mass-media Blue Beetle to be the Jamie Reyes version.
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Feb 15, 2015 02:12
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That, I can see. And that I would have no issues with. Gimme a Jaime Reyes TV show damnit. 
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Feb 15, 2015 02:18
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BrianWilly posted:He's an architect and a soldier. Sometimes one is emphasized over the other. You know this, son. Yes, and it's the architect part that's important. John Stewart was not a soldier until the ultra boring JLU version. He's always been an architect though, and like ol' Mary Sue Kyle, it's been the driving force behind how he does things as a Lantern.
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BrianWilly posted:Same first names, same occupations. It'd be like if they gave Thea a biracial artist friend named Kyle Winnick. Felicity becoming Oracle is not going to happen because they had that one episode focused on her that was immediately changed from Oracle to The Secret Origin of Felicity Smoak. And frankly she doesn't need to become Oracle. BrianWilly posted:That, I can see. And that I would have no issues with. 
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Feb 15, 2015 03:12
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Count Vertigo in this show is basically Scarecrow and I'm fine with that. I hope Peter Stromare returns because he's good, although maybe he should start escalating things a bit more?
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Feb 15, 2015 03:38
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Dead Snoopy posted:
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Feb 15, 2015 03:48
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I might be misunderstanding what Guggenheim is saying. When he says that these two mysterious characters "fall into that category," I assumed he meant that they would in fact be what people merely speculated about Diggle being, which is that they're not characters that you would expect at first glance to become DC comics characters. Everyone expects Tatsu to become Katana -- because she is literally the character Katana -- so her situation isn't like Diggle's at all. But if he's simply talking about the fact that a character who is obviously based on a comic character is going to put on a costume like the character he or she is obviously based on, then yeah he's probably referring to Tatsu and Thea. But in that case I don't know why he would need to be coy about it at all.
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I feel like they're making the right choice with Diggle. There are a lot of interesting places they could take that character, especially if Arrow lets powers in (and there's - for example - a crossover with Flash that leads to another event ala the particle accelerator explosion), but I feel like retconning him into John Stewart isn't one of them. That being said, I'd be all over John Stewart showing up on Arrow separate from John Diggle. That would be fantastic.
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