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Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Lurdiak posted:

Oh, it's probably still there.

Ha!


Sadly I search my real name and the other guys with it look like huge douchebags. Then i search my SA name and I'm reminded that it's also a douchebag wrestler.

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Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


I'm "thankfully" the only Lurdiak I'm aware of. That meant I had to go scrub some embarrassing teenage poo poo off the net at one point, though. I'm drat happy I remembered all my old passwords.

bairfanx
Jan 20, 2006

I look like this IRL,
but, you know,
more Greg Land-y.

Rhyno posted:

Ha!


Sadly I search my real name and the other guys with it look like huge douchebags. Then i search my SA name and I'm reminded that it's also a douchebag wrestler.

There are too many David Fairbankses in the world for my searching my own name to mean anything, and bairfanx just yields all the poo poo that ends up in my feed.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

Lurdiak posted:

Going around picking fights with your readers seems like a bad business plan.

People who make good business plans generally don't write comics for a living.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

Searching my name just finds a lot of things I've written. It's boring.

Not even any angry Twitter users to go after.


My username is obviously used in many other places by many other people.

Aphrodite fucked around with this message at 07:36 on Feb 14, 2015

CapnAndy
Feb 27, 2004

Some teeth long for ripping, gleaming wet from black dog gums. So you keep your eyes closed at the end. You don't want to see such a mouth up close. before the bite, before its oblivion in the goring of your soft parts, the speckled lips will curl back in a whinny of excitement. You just know it.
I'm not the only CapnAndy on the Internet, so I've decided that all the others are my nemeses and I will get them one day.

One of the bastards got to Twitter before me :(.

Scaramouche
Mar 26, 2001

SPACE FACE! SPACE FACE!

Rhyno posted:

Prototype new comic box for our back issues.



Cost so far: $5 in hardware. We have hundreds of pieces of shelving in storage from 25 years of moving stores, hopefully enough to put together 30 of these boxes.

Is that MDF? I have no idea what effect it would have on comics but I seem to remember that MDF outgasses chemicals over its lifetime that might not be good for long term storage.

Soonmot
Dec 19, 2002

Entrapta fucking loves robots




Grimey Drawer

Rhyno posted:

I was planning on grabbing some books with awesome covers, cutting them off, laminating the covers and putting them on the fronts with double sided tape. We built 7 more today before we ran out of the board we're using for the base. 23 to go!

Paint over the covers with a clear laminate, it'll hold up longer than just taping them to the sides.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Scaramouche posted:

Is that MDF? I have no idea what effect it would have on comics but I seem to remember that MDF outgasses chemicals over its lifetime that might not be good for long term storage.

It's laminated particle board shelving we no longer use. It's also for our $1 back issues where I recycle comic bags and use lovely cardboard as backers. Not too worried.

Scaramouche
Mar 26, 2001

SPACE FACE! SPACE FACE!

Rhyno posted:

It's laminated particle board shelving we no longer use. It's also for our $1 back issues where I recycle comic bags and use lovely cardboard as backers. Not too worried.

Yeah, laminated particle board, MDF (medium density fibreboard), chipboard, it's all the same stuff. Probably won't matter if they're bagged, and the quick google I did seems to indicate that the chemical released is formaldehyde which is a preservative(?), though comics ain't corpses. That took me on a quick trip into the crazy world of comic preservationists and holy man are they ever fighting a losing battle. The consistency of paper, the quality of ink, all these factors tying into the fact that the comic is going to be gone after a couple hundred years max. And yet people will be reading Ctrl-Alt-Del on their robot girlfriend's retinal display while banging them a 1000 years from now.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

bairfanx posted:

I got into a thing with Cullen Bunn when he was all "be careful what you say, people in comics have long memories." Was talking about it with a friend, neither of us tagged him and he didn't follow us, jumped in and started yelling. Sixth Gun is good, but not good enough for me to put up with that kind of poo poo.

Sixth Gun isn't good at all actually.

You know how hard it is to write a comic about magic six shooters in the old west that I don't like? It's a Gordian Knot where apparently the solution is "Have Cullen Bunn write it". The man wrote a goddamn storyline involving the Micronauts that was so bad I couldn't even enjoy the Micronauts being in it

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
Hey guys. As some of you may have seen, or even given a shot and tried some stuff in it, I made a thread about quality Manga titles folks in BSS might enjoy. I've messaged Waterhaul and spoken with Beef Waifu(newly-christened ADTRW mod) about an idea of mine; I'd like it if someone who has a similarly wide taste in western comics could make a thread in ADTRW recommending great comic series that are worth reading, and both threads would be stickied in their respective subforums as a sort of "crossover event" between BSS and ADTRW. I tend to try to point people towards great stuff that might not be well-known, but mainstream series are fine too if they're great.

While I've read a fair number of comic books in my time, it's hard for me to remember which were the real standouts. Off the top of my head, the best stuff I've read are Kingdom Come, Aliens: Outbreak, Bone, Watchmen, Transformers: Last Stand of the Wreckers, Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye and Transformers: Robots In Disguise(all written by James Roberts, and far and away the best things ever done with the Transformers franchise), but beyond that there's not a whole lot else that I can bring to mind.

I've asked a few folks I felt were some of the best posters in BSS if they'd be interested, but most felt they hadn't read as wide a swathe of series as they'd like if they were to do something like that, or didn't have the time for it. Hopefully there's someone who'd be up for it, or if you know someone who would be and could suggest it to them, that'd be much appreciated. While I'm mostly a lurker in BSS, I feel like the subforum communities of both BSS and ADTRW have stagnated a bit and could use some new blood, and introducing each other to series they might otherwise never know about due to misconceptions about the given manga/comic spectrum has worked out well in the past in Cinema Discusso and TVIV(with the very successful Legend of the Galactic Heroes thread).

If you've got a great list of stuff worth reading and are willing to put in similar effort as I did with the manga thread to introduce new readers(sample images showing the general artstyle, genres and themes in the series, a quick rundown of the setting/story setup, and your personal thoughts on it, as well as places they are able to be read/purchased), please let me know via PM.

Scaramouche
Mar 26, 2001

SPACE FACE! SPACE FACE!

Literally The Worst posted:

Sixth Gun isn't good at all actually.

You know how hard it is to write a comic about magic six shooters in the old west that I don't like? It's a Gordian Knot where apparently the solution is "Have Cullen Bunn write it". The man wrote a goddamn storyline involving the Micronauts that was so bad I couldn't even enjoy the Micronauts being in it

The entire time I read Sixth Gun it felt like "I've read this before, except it was called the Book of Swords by Fred Saberhagen" but not as good.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

CapnAndy posted:

I'm not the only CapnAndy on the Internet, so I've decided that all the others are my nemeses and I will get them one day.

One of the bastards got to Twitter before me :(.

Are you now or have you ever been a river boat captain in a Jerome Kern musical?

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Okay so I'm reading Watchmen, and 30 pages in the message appears to be that New York City is filled with decadent liberal homosexuals who need vigilante justice (aka Rorschach) to be put in their place, maybe Hitler was right. Is this supposed to be a critique of this attitude, a self aware sort of reflection on it (I suspect it's this), or enthusiastic support? I've never actually read a superhero comic book, but I am vaguely aware an aspect of them is being fascist revenge fantasies for angry manchildren

Basically explain Watchmen to me. I don't care about spoilers. I'm only (mostly) kidding with the above, surely this book is as highly regarded as it is for a reason

icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 12:48 on Feb 14, 2015

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

✋😢Life's just better with Ominous Gloves🤗🧤
Rorschach isn't supposed to be entirely sympathetic, and he's a satire of a lot of the conservative status-quo maintaining heros.

Also, Watchmen is vastly overrated, so that may also help. Like Citizen Kane, it's more important for the effect it had on the medium then for its own merits.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



Fascist themes pop up a lot in Moore's work because he did the bulk of his most recognisable work during Thatcher's England. It's mostly just a reflection of the political attitudes he saw in his own country at the time, and - especially in V For Vendetta - where he thought those attitudes would take the world, which was into intolerance and fascism. Rorschach is intended to be morally questioned and his attitudes to others are intended to be repugnant to the reader because otherwise he would actually just be a regular Batman-style vigilante. It's a really long form discussion of do the ends justify the means, and at the end of it Moore unquestionably looks down and says "no".

Watchmen is also not overrated.

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Isn't Alan Moore also a literal crazy person and convicted kiddiefucker?

Waterhaul
Nov 5, 2005


it was a nice post,
you shouldn't have signed it.



icantfindaname posted:

Isn't Alan Moore also a literal crazy person and convicted kiddiefucker?

What.

haitfais
Aug 7, 2005

I am offended by your ham, sir.

icantfindaname posted:

Isn't Alan Moore also a literal crazy person and convicted kiddiefucker?

Yes to the first question, "what the gently caress are you talking about?" to the second.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
This just in, Alan Moore unmasked by the Scooby gang, revealed to be Roman Polanski.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Moore's eccentric at best, he's not crazy.

He also did not gently caress any kids.

DivineCoffeeBinge
Mar 3, 2011

Spider-Man's Amazing Construction Company

icantfindaname posted:

Okay so I'm reading Watchmen, and 30 pages in the message appears to be that New York City is filled with decadent liberal homosexuals who need vigilante justice (aka Rorschach) to be put in their place, maybe Hitler was right. Is this supposed to be a critique of this attitude, a self aware sort of reflection on it (I suspect it's this), or enthusiastic support? I've never actually read a superhero comic book, but I am vaguely aware an aspect of them is being fascist revenge fantasies for angry manchildren

Basically explain Watchmen to me. I don't care about spoilers. I'm only (mostly) kidding with the above, surely this book is as highly regarded as it is for a reason

Nnnnnnnnot so much.

The various portions of Watchmen that focus on a particular character are, to one degree or another, sympathetic to that character's viewpoint - as they would have to be, given that there's no omniscient narrator - and the dissonance you're feeling, reading those sections, is intentional. When you get Rorschach's point of view, if it makes you go "dude, that's hosed up," that's because Rorschach is hosed up.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

Well ain't that precious?

icantfindaname posted:

Isn't Alan Moore also a literal crazy person and convicted kiddiefucker?

He did create an ultra creepy porn comic called Lost Girls, involving underage characters from Peter Pan, Wizard of Oz, and Alice in Wonderland. He hasn't molested any kids though.

Was Taters
Jul 30, 2004

Here comes a regular
I do understand your confusion though, given that he's a famous Englishman of a certain age. :v:

Agent_grey
Jan 8, 2007

Scrub-a-Dub-Dub!

icantfindaname posted:

Isn't Alan Moore also a literal crazy person and convicted kiddiefucker?

He seemingly can't keep his fetishes out of books now, but I'm PRETTY sure he doesn't slide as far as that on the creepy scale.

Agent_grey
Jan 8, 2007

Scrub-a-Dub-Dub!

Was Taters posted:

I do understand your confusion though, given that he's a famous Englishman of a certain age. :v:

Not all of them...just enough to make me question any adult on TV and radio during my childhood :(

bairfanx
Jan 20, 2006

I look like this IRL,
but, you know,
more Greg Land-y.

Literally The Worst posted:

Sixth Gun isn't good at all actually.

You know how hard it is to write a comic about magic six shooters in the old west that I don't like? It's a Gordian Knot where apparently the solution is "Have Cullen Bunn write it". The man wrote a goddamn storyline involving the Micronauts that was so bad I couldn't even enjoy the Micronauts being in it

Hey, I read the first trade and dug it. Maybe it went to poo poo after that or maybe we just have different tastes? shrug.

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006

Squidster posted:

Also, Watchmen is vastly overrated, so that may also help. Like Citizen Kane, it's more important for the effect it had on the medium then for its own merits.
Except for the part where Watchmen is actually a loving masterpiece.

I don't love Watchmen because I just don't connect with a lot of the characters. It's a very cold piece, and I'll take the much messier V for Vendetta any day. Still, there is a craftsmanship in Watchmen that is hard to ignore and it's a book that is saying much more complex things than people often give it credit for or much of the audience was even able to gleam. You have to remember that a lot of people walk away from that book thinking that Rorschach is cool and Veidt was right.

Fun fact about Watchmen and Rorschach, the Kitty Genovese story is mostly bullshit. It's something Moore most likely didn't know, but it adds an extra layer.

Chinaman7000
Nov 28, 2003

Captain Invictus posted:

Hey guys. As some of you may have seen, or even given a shot and tried some stuff in it, I made a thread about quality Manga titles folks in BSS might enjoy. I've messaged Waterhaul and spoken with Beef Waifu(newly-christened ADTRW mod) about an idea of mine; I'd like it if someone who has a similarly wide taste in western comics could make a thread in ADTRW recommending great comic series that are worth reading, and both threads would be stickied in their respective subforums as a sort of "crossover event" between BSS and ADTRW. I tend to try to point people towards great stuff that might not be well-known, but mainstream series are fine too if they're great.

If you've got a great list of stuff worth reading and are willing to put in similar effort as I did with the manga thread to introduce new readers(sample images showing the general artstyle, genres and themes in the series, a quick rundown of the setting/story setup, and your personal thoughts on it, as well as places they are able to be read/purchased), please let me know via PM.

Red Hood and the Outlaws.

No, but really, I'm not someone with the time or knowledge, but I really like you trying to expose people to new stuff, some of your recommendations have ended up being my favorite stories and reminded me manga does have real special gems in the poo poo, just like every media format. I won't be able to type up anything comprehensive but I'll try to think about comics I liked that have broader appeal.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Scaramouche posted:

Yeah, laminated particle board, MDF (medium density fibreboard), chipboard, it's all the same stuff. Probably won't matter if they're bagged, and the quick google I did seems to indicate that the chemical released is formaldehyde which is a preservative(?), though comics ain't corpses. That took me on a quick trip into the crazy world of comic preservationists and holy man are they ever fighting a losing battle. The consistency of paper, the quality of ink, all these factors tying into the fact that the comic is going to be gone after a couple hundred years max. And yet people will be reading Ctrl-Alt-Del on their robot girlfriend's retinal display while banging them a 1000 years from now.

Things do get better by the 90's when the majority of publishers have switched over to a variety of acid free papers mainly due to newsprint becoming super expensive. But anything pre-1980 is doomed doomed doomed. The paper stock used right now will last for hundreds of years with only a bare minimum of preservation work. The comics on my shelf right now are going to look better a hundred years down the road than the 100 year old books on my shelves do right now. Well, other than the 130 year old bound magazine and cartoon collection on the comics shelf; I assume that one will deteriorate even though it looks pretty good right now.

On the positive side of things, at this point I think that there's very few comics that haven't been archived in some way that insures that they'll be available long term.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Timeless Appeal posted:

Fun fact about Watchmen and Rorschach, the Kitty Genovese story is mostly bullshit. It's something Moore most likely didn't know, but it adds an extra layer.

It's entirely possible he did know. Remember that Rorschach only read about that incident in the paper, he didn't see it occur. It would fit in perfectly with how he views his father and president Truman.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Captain Invictus posted:

Hey guys. As some of you may have seen, or even given a shot and tried some stuff in it, I made a thread about quality Manga titles folks in BSS might enjoy. I've messaged Waterhaul and spoken with Beef Waifu(newly-christened ADTRW mod) about an idea of mine; I'd like it if someone who has a similarly wide taste in western comics could make a thread in ADTRW recommending great comic series that are worth reading, and both threads would be stickied in their respective subforums as a sort of "crossover event" between BSS and ADTRW. I tend to try to point people towards great stuff that might not be well-known, but mainstream series are fine too if they're great.

While I've read a fair number of comic books in my time, it's hard for me to remember which were the real standouts. Off the top of my head, the best stuff I've read are Kingdom Come, Aliens: Outbreak, Bone, Watchmen, Transformers: Last Stand of the Wreckers, Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye and Transformers: Robots In Disguise(all written by James Roberts, and far and away the best things ever done with the Transformers franchise), but beyond that there's not a whole lot else that I can bring to mind.

I've asked a few folks I felt were some of the best posters in BSS if they'd be interested, but most felt they hadn't read as wide a swathe of series as they'd like if they were to do something like that, or didn't have the time for it. Hopefully there's someone who'd be up for it, or if you know someone who would be and could suggest it to them, that'd be much appreciated. While I'm mostly a lurker in BSS, I feel like the subforum communities of both BSS and ADTRW have stagnated a bit and could use some new blood, and introducing each other to series they might otherwise never know about due to misconceptions about the given manga/comic spectrum has worked out well in the past in Cinema Discusso and TVIV(with the very successful Legend of the Galactic Heroes thread).

If you've got a great list of stuff worth reading and are willing to put in similar effort as I did with the manga thread to introduce new readers(sample images showing the general artstyle, genres and themes in the series, a quick rundown of the setting/story setup, and your personal thoughts on it, as well as places they are able to be read/purchased), please let me know via PM.

Hi my name is Dickeye and I will do this. I will post this list. This is the list:

Hitman
Hitman
Hitman
Sex Criminals
Hitman
Immortal Iron Fist
Jason Aaron's Ghost Rider
Hitman
ROM

Squidster posted:

Rorschach isn't supposed to be entirely sympathetic, and he's a satire of a lot of the conservative status-quo maintaining heros.

Also, Watchmen is vastly overrated, so that may also help. Like Citizen Kane, it's more important for the effect it had on the medium then for its own merits.

Nope, Citizen Kane is actually bonkers loving good.

Lily Catts
Oct 17, 2012

Show me the way to you
(Heavy Metal)

Captain Invictus posted:

If you've got a great list of stuff worth reading and are willing to put in similar effort as I did with the manga thread to introduce new readers(sample images showing the general artstyle, genres and themes in the series, a quick rundown of the setting/story setup, and your personal thoughts on it, as well as places they are able to be read/purchased), please let me know via PM.

I will give a shot at this.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

Literally The Worst posted:




Nope, Citizen Kane is actually bonkers loving good.

This is the dirty secret of film students. Citizen Kane is a really loving fun/sad/tense/beautiful movie.

SomeMathGuy
Oct 4, 2014

The people were ASTONISHED at his doctrine.

What impressed me the most with Citizen Kane was that I went into my gen ed film class's screening of it expecting to be either bored or underwhelmed.

Instead I went out, bought a DVD copy the next day, watched it three more times over the next week or so, and to date I watch it at least once a year. I loving love that movie and I'm not entirely sure I could properly articulate why. Something about the combination of how the story is presented and how well it's made just really works for me.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747
People who think Citizen Kane is only good for the historical importance are people who haven't seen it

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009
Same way people who think Westerns suck have never seen a good one.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


To be fair there's a lot of really bad westerns and they're constantly on TV for some reason.

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Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009
Not my fault TV stations don't put Rio Bravo or one of the other times Hawks made that movie on. :colbert:

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