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Literally The Worst posted:People who think Citizen Kane is only good for the historical importance are people who haven't seen it But Orson Welles didn't respect Transformers! It couldn't have been good!
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IShallRiseAgain posted:He did create an ultra creepy porn comic called Lost Girls, involving underage characters from Peter Pan, Wizard of Oz, and Alice in Wonderland. He hasn't molested any kids though. Maybe that's what I was thinking of? Someone I was talking to about him mentioned it. But either way "no he only PUBLISHED child porn" doesn't really make it much better IMO 
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Feb 15, 2015 05:24
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IShallRiseAgain posted:He did create an ultra creepy porn comic called Lost Girls, involving underage characters from Peter Pan, Wizard of Oz, and Alice in Wonderland. He hasn't molested any kids though. To be fair, I think his attitudes on underage sex are spelled out pretty clearly in Top Ten.
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Feb 15, 2015 05:59
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Literally The Worst posted:People who think Citizen Kane is only good for the historical importance are people who haven't seen it I love Citizen Kane, but I think Third Man is better 
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Feb 15, 2015 06:02
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Gavok posted:But Orson Welles didn't respect Transformers! It couldn't have been good!
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Feb 15, 2015 07:51
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Chinaman7000 posted:Red Hood and the Outlaws. Literally The Worst posted:Hi my name is Dickeye and I will do this. I will post this list. This is the list: Schneider Heim posted:I will give a shot at this. I'll do the Transformers series by James Roberts(Last Stand of the Wreckers, More Than Meets The Eye, and Robots In Disguise) because they are shockingly good for a series based on toys and far and away make the best use of the Transformers franchise that it's ever had. To the point that a lot of the toys nowadays are based on the comic designs, rather than the other way around. I'll also do one for Aliens: Outbreak, which is great. One-shots/miniseries and easily-contained/finished series are most welcome as well, stuff like Watchmen and such that have their own graphic novel collection in one or two books total are optimal so that someone doesn't need to track down 300-issue series. But longer stuff is fine too if it's really good. Captain Invictus fucked around with this message at 08:28 on Feb 15, 2015 |
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Feb 15, 2015 08:21
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I could do Lee/Ditko Spider-man but that feels like shouting into the void.
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Feb 15, 2015 08:29
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Making recommendations is my jam (I am doing a series of lists for my blog at the moment), but I don't have a platinum account, so no PMs. If you have a throwaway email, I'll throw in some titles with detailed descriptions. Or maybe I can post when the thread is up.
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Feb 15, 2015 08:44
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Posting'd be fine. I'll likely make the thread sometime this week.
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Feb 15, 2015 08:53
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Alien Rope Burn posted:To be fair, I think his attitudes on underage sex are spelled out pretty clearly in Top Ten. I believe Moore's rationale for Lost Girls, at least, has quite consistently been that he lost his virginity when he was 14 so he doesn't see it as a big deal. Captain Invictus posted:I'll do the Transformers series by James Roberts(Last Stand of the Wreckers, More Than Meets The Eye, and Robots In Disguise) because they are shockingly good for a series based on toys and far and away make the best use of the Transformers franchise that it's ever had. While I haven't read them myself (they're on my list! I'll get round to them eventually!), I think John Barber writes RID (though he's also the editor on MTMTE). Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 12:21 on Feb 15, 2015 |
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Feb 15, 2015 12:19
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Huh, so he is. RID isn't as good as MTMTE(though it's still good) so that'd explain the difference.
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Feb 15, 2015 12:42
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Wheat Loaf posted:I believe Moore's rationale for Lost Girls, at least, has quite consistently been that he lost his virginity when he was 14 so he doesn't see it as a big deal. Yeah, I'm not going to even attempt to defend Lost Girls, since I haven't read it and don't want to, but there's a difference between being the person who wrote it and being an actual child rapist.
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Feb 15, 2015 12:56
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For what it's worth here is a pretty straight-forward interview where Moore explains his motivations and thought processes regarding the production of Lost Girls. At no point does he mention the age at which he lost his own virginity, and honestly I'm not 100% sure what people even think the book is about, but whatever. People can read/not read the interview or the book at their leisure and then decide who exactly has raped children.
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Feb 15, 2015 15:42
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Alien Rope Burn posted:To be fair, I think his attitudes on underage sex are spelled out pretty clearly in Top Ten. Yeah, even in Lost Girls, the stuff that happened to Wendy, Alice and Dorothy as girls is pretty well treated as traumatic and abusive experiences. The stuff they do as adults, less so, but then his whole goal was to see with just how much sex he could put in a comic and still have it be art. Mileages on that one vary quite a bit.
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Feb 15, 2015 16:35
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Lurdiak posted:It's entirely possible he did know. Remember that Rorschach only read about that incident in the paper, he didn't see it occur. It would fit in perfectly with how he views his father and president Truman.
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Feb 15, 2015 18:33
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Senior Woodchuck posted:Yeah, even in Lost Girls, the stuff that happened to Wendy, Alice and Dorothy as girls is pretty well treated as traumatic and abusive experiences. Yeah. For those that don't know, Top Ten has the titular police agency breaking up a ring of pedophiles as part of one plotline, and it's treated as realistically horrific. This leads to - in the final scene - a character questioning their long-time (decades at this point) relationship that started with an older lover (24) when they were just a teenager (16). They're reassured, however, by the the fact they were genuinely in love and cared for each other. We get to see the relationship start in the prequel and get more detail there, but ultimately I think Alan Moore's message is that the specific ages are less relevant as long as both partners are mature enough emotionally and genuinely care for one another. YMMV, of course, but that was my takeaway from it.
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Feb 15, 2015 19:08
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Moore kind of likes to put some sexual...curiosities in his books. Lest we forget the incest plotline in Smax.
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Feb 15, 2015 19:57
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It's probably best to assume he's a child rapist because of a book we didn't read.
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Feb 15, 2015 20:04
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Lurdiak posted:It's probably best to assume he's a child rapist because of a book we didn't read. This does seem logically sound. I know this because I haven't read the book either.
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Feb 15, 2015 20:51
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Lurdiak posted:It's probably best to assume he's a child rapist because of a book we didn't read. That's what I do. I still haven't gotten around to reading Nextwave, but my god the things I could tell you that I assume are true about Warren Ellis. e: Oh never mind I read Moon Knight so I guess I have read an Ellis work so really all I can assume is that he really liked The Raid. TwoPair fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Feb 15, 2015 |
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Feb 15, 2015 20:52
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I'm the equivocation about Alan Moore's child porn not being all that bad if you really think about it
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Feb 15, 2015 20:58
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I cal shotgun on posting a big thing about why ROM SPACEKNIGHT is the best comic for that list thing.
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Feb 15, 2015 21:16
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A new raffle is underway in the Hardcover thread until the end of the week--check it!
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Feb 15, 2015 22:16
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I forgot how good and fun the Dragonball comic was.
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Feb 16, 2015 02:30
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Vincent posted:I forgot how good and fun the Dragonball comic was. It's a shame the box set is like $300 and only like two thirds of it are in good quality on scanlation sites with the rest being 200x200 images edited in MS Paint, translated to Korean first then to English. Apparently it starts really dragging after Cell saga, so maybe it's for the best
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Feb 16, 2015 03:10
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icantfindaname posted:It's a shame the box set is like $300 and only like two thirds of it are in good quality on scanlation sites with the rest being 200x200 images edited in MS Paint, translated to Korean first then to English. Apparently it starts really dragging after Cell saga, so maybe it's for the best comixology has both Dragonball and Z. They even have the ongoing Comic remake.
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Feb 16, 2015 03:39
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icantfindaname posted:Apparently it starts really dragging after Cell saga, so maybe it's for the best The Buu saga is divisive because it's a lot more like the Dragon Ball half, being more comedic. SSJ3 is a self parody.
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Feb 16, 2015 03:44
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icantfindaname posted:It's a shame the box set is like $300 and only like two thirds of it are in good quality on scanlation sites with the rest being 200x200 images edited in MS Paint, translated to Korean first then to English. Apparently it starts really dragging after Cell saga, so maybe it's for the best I was talking about vanilla Dragonball, which I think is translated completely by Viz. I never read Z as a comic (only saw the anime more than 10-15 years ago) , so I don't know where it drags there.
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Feb 16, 2015 06:40
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If I recall, Shonen Jump kept preventing the creator from ending the series because it was so popular, and they also pressured him to make it more... well, like what most people know DBZ to be like, because that's what sold.
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Feb 16, 2015 08:06
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I do know the original androids from the Cell Saga, the ones with the energy absorption powers, was him trying to shake things up and get away from beam attacks and back to punching but his editor said the designs weren't cool enough and that people really wanted to see the cool beam attacks.
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Feb 16, 2015 09:17
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Liefeld Status: still owns
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Feb 16, 2015 10:47
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Captain Invictus posted:If you'd like to pick a few series you're particularly passionate about and PM them to me(maybe post here with what they are so nobody does the same one) using the format I laid out before, I'll make the thread in ADTRW and credit everyone with its construction. I'll start with these: Marvel Adventures - Avengers Marvel Adventures - Spider-Man Thor: The Mighty Avenger All-Star Batman and Robin The Question (Dennis O'Neil series)
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Feb 16, 2015 10:54
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Hawkguy needs to be in that recc list; I'll write something up if no one else plans to. Also Ms. Marvel.
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Feb 16, 2015 11:31
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Coming from my experience, manga readers don't like superheroes 
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Feb 16, 2015 11:41
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It's not really that, just that there's a LOT of really bad superhero comics. The difference between manga and comic books is that most times, a manga is done by a single author, while comics can hop around between authors, which creates mood whiplash like crazy a lot of the time. However, if an author/group of authors is allowed to do an entire series/arc continuously, it can often turn out really great. Again, I'd say Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye is a perfect example of this(though not superheroes), with James Roberts at the helm the entire time it's become such a huge success both commercially, consistency-wise and by reception, that they've released something like 20 toys based on characters from the comics rather than characters from the comics being based on the toys. Probably the most significant of these is one that was just revealed at Toyfair, Ultra Magnus in his IDW form, complete with Minimus Ambus inside, who is a completely new character from the comics:     The entire white truck part opens to form a cockpit chair for Minimus, and Ultra Magnus's head sits on top of his head. But yeah, with the release of Tiger and Bunny, I think it's pretty clear that western-style superheroes CAN be enjoyed by anime/manga fans, it's just that I bet a lot are soured on them from the pretty bad runs a lot of superheroes had in the 90's and such. Having a category of "superheroes" for the thread might not be a bad idea since they make up a good portion of the medium. As someone who's read quite a lot of both comics and manga, it's not impossible for someone to enjoy both, and this is exactly the opportunity I'm hoping for for people to understand their preconceived notions are maybe a little unfounded. I once got 6 longboxes of comic books from a dude clearancing them out for basically nothing, and holy moly, there was a lot of tripe in there. Mostly 90's Image comics, natch. But there were some good ones too and it was how I first got into Bone. Captain Invictus fucked around with this message at 12:21 on Feb 16, 2015 |
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Feb 16, 2015 12:18
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Thoughts on recommendations for the manga folks. Criminal/Fatale. Hellboy/BPRD. King City. Essex County Line. Ice Haven. Tales Designed To Thrizzle.
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Feb 16, 2015 13:04
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Captain Invictus posted:Hey guys. As some of you may have seen, or even given a shot and tried some stuff in it, I made a thread about quality Manga titles folks in BSS might enjoy. I've messaged Waterhaul and spoken with Beef Waifu(newly-christened ADTRW mod) about an idea of mine; I'd like it if someone who has a similarly wide taste in western comics could make a thread in ADTRW recommending great comic series that are worth reading, and both threads would be stickied in their respective subforums as a sort of "crossover event" between BSS and ADTRW. I tend to try to point people towards great stuff that might not be well-known, but mainstream series are fine too if they're great. A question about the four samplers you've posted: how many of the authors are female? Is the gender divide better in manga than it is in (corporate US) comics? I've been reading some Shojo Beat stuff I got from the local library (Loveless, Gestalt and The Devil and Her Love Song), but are there any all-time-great manga authors who are female?
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fatherboxx posted:Coming from my experience, manga readers don't like superheroes That's why I suggest Hawkguy, the least superhero-y superhero comic I could think of.
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Feb 16, 2015 13:27
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Lurdiak posted:If I recall, Shonen Jump kept preventing the creator from ending the series because it was so popular, and they also pressured him to make it more... well, like what most people know DBZ to be like, because that's what sold. Yeah, you see that with super popular shonen series. When something becomes a cash cow the mangaka is pressured into keeping the gravy train going. And its usually obvious when it happens as pacing falls apart as forward momentum slows to a crawl.
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paulnewmanseyes posted:A question about the four samplers you've posted: how many of the authors are female? Is the gender divide better in manga than it is in (corporate US) comics? I've been reading some Shojo Beat stuff I got from the local library (Loveless, Gestalt and The Devil and Her Love Song), but are there any all-time-great manga authors who are female? I'd have to go through them to see who's who, but two of the biggest names in manga, Rumiko Takahashi(urusei satsura, Ranma 1/2, inuyasha, maison ikokku, a bunch of others) and Hiromi Arakawa(Fullmetal alchemist, silver spoon, others) are women. There's also the unfortunate aspect of parts of the industry where women authors will use a male name to improve readership which can make things confusing. There are a fair number of female authors/artists but they sometimes hide their gender behind fake names. Wandering Son is by a woman, at least.
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