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red19fire
May 26, 2010

Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:

Seriously, though, I think dogcrash truther is asking whether there is such a thing as bugchaser porn.

pentyne posted:

Absolutely not. Just from a health and safety standpoint there's no way in hell any company could get a license/permit to do that in the US. I wouldn't be shocked by porn where they pretend to have an STD for the fantasy but I've never heard of anything like that.

Apparently there is. I agree that it's probably not real from a liability standpoint, but apparently it's a real kink in the community.

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darkpriest
Dec 11, 2000

IndianaZoidberg posted:

I have often wondered about locations where porn it filmed. I do know that there are people in LA that will rent there home to have porn filmed it, or just have homes that are just for shooting in and they rake in the profit. (There is one very distinctive home that I have seen SOO many times in videos) What does the contract for something like this look like? I assume that there are clauses in it that when filming is done a very thorough job of cleaning.

Also, InTheVIP. It looks like those are filmed in real clubs. Are there arrangements with the owners? Is the entire club (Even people not really involved with the shoot) closed to the public and everyone is a paid stooge? Of course everyone involved in the actual porno:a2m: is a pro of some sort with medical tests and age verification, so nothing spontaneity.

Also, great thread Darkpriest! Living a dream for most of us. :argh:

It's a bit easier then most perceive. The same agents that represent locations for mainstream also rent them for adult. There are other factors that go into it, but that is the basic overview of it. There are some locations that have been used very often. Some producers specifically buy houses with the goal of shooting in them.

There isn't some crazy iron clad contract. Don't destroy or ruin anything. If you do, then pay for it. The extreme locations, ie estates that are in the 10 or 20 million range will probably have more rules and may require production insurance. If your a small production it is actually far easier to get nice locations, as you don't really do much.

While the crew puts everything back in order and cleans up, in the end it is up to the location owner to keep on top of their property. The well managed properties keep their places extremely clean. Others don't. There is this myth that after shooting everything is just completely wrecked. It isn't true.

Many clubs offer their locations for rental to mainstream, some in turn will allow adult production. Any time filming happens, the location is shut down. Anyone in the background is a paid extra, as they have to provide an ID and sign a release.

Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

Golden Bear is ever watching; day by day he prowls, and when he hears the tread of lowly Stanfurd red,from his Lair he fiercely growls.
Toilet Rascal

Kinda related to this, is Kenny Styles still in the industry? He seemed to be the only Asian dude who was doing higher end flicks for a while?

I. M. Gei
Jun 26, 2005

CHIEFS

BITCH



red19fire posted:

Apparently there is. I agree that it's probably not real from a liability standpoint, but apparently it's a real kink in the community.

Wait...... so HIV is an important staple of gay culture now?

This interview made my brain hurt.

Hotel Kpro
Feb 24, 2011

owls don't go to school

Dinosaur Gum
Ever work with Steve Holmes?

I was disappointed to find out he wasn't doing scenes anymore, I can't get enough of his cock.

GiveUpNed
Dec 25, 2012

darkpriest posted:

If your a small production it is actually far easier to get nice locations, as you don't really do much.

Except for getting body fluids on furniture. How profitable is porn now? I can't imagine your traditional blonde bombshell and tanned, roided up dudebro porn is doing so well.

Okuteru
Nov 10, 2007

Choose this life you're on your own

GiveUpNed posted:

Except for getting body fluids on furniture. How profitable is porn now? I can't imagine your traditional blonde bombshell and tanned, roided up dudebro porn is doing so well.

It's all about teens next door, Curvy Milfs, and James Deen nowadays.

jerichojx
Oct 21, 2010
With the prevalence of tube sites and torrents, I find it hard to imagine porn doing well. Isn't the cost of talent kinda low anyways? At like $1000USD per scene or something?

Like here in Singapore when porn is illegal? Do porn producer instead switch to making money from ads in those countries?

vxsarin
Oct 29, 2004


ASK ME ABOUT MY AP WIRE PHOTOS

jerichojx posted:

With the prevalence of tube sites and torrents, I find it hard to imagine porn doing well. Isn't the cost of talent kinda low anyways? At like $1000USD per scene or something?

Like here in Singapore when porn is illegal? Do porn producer instead switch to making money from ads in those countries?

I think the $1000 is a day rate, not a 'per scene' rate.

metachronos
Sep 11, 2001

When I roll, baby I roll DEEP
Apparently Madison Ivy was in a pretty serious car accident. She had to have some major operations.That really sucks.

metachronos fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Feb 9, 2015

sbaldrick
Jul 19, 2006
Driven by Hate

jerichojx posted:

With the prevalence of tube sites and torrents, I find it hard to imagine porn doing well. Isn't the cost of talent kinda low anyways? At like $1000USD per scene or something?

Like here in Singapore when porn is illegal? Do porn producer instead switch to making money from ads in those countries?

I've seen number that's say porn is really suffering outside of the fetish stuff which tends to be very controlled.

opus111
Jul 6, 2014

Professor Shark posted:

Speaking of distasteful porn, Team Skeet (I think it's them...) have a new site that has Border Patrols having sex with Mexican border crossers. It's pretty messed up.

Brazzers also recently released a video with Carter Cruise pretending to be a homeless girl who some guy takes in, feeds and bathes, and then has sex with. That also counts as pretty messed up imo.

hmmmm.....

CAPT. Rainbowbeard
Apr 5, 2012

My incredible goodposting transcends time and space but still it cannot transform the xbone into a good console.
Lipstick Apathy
/\/\/\/\ Look, we've all fantasized about an X-rated My Fair Lady, there's no shame in it.

Is it too much to ask for 50's or 60's-style hotties like Audrey Hepburn pretending to be whatever time period My Fair Lady takes place in? Early 1900's? But also a porno.

Yes, apparently.

I don't know what my fetish is, but just like obscenity, I know it when I see it.

sbaldrick
Jul 19, 2006
Driven by Hate

CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:

/\/\/\/\ Look, we've all fantasized about an X-rated My Fair Lady, there's no shame in it.

Is it too much to ask for 50's or 60's-style hotties like Audrey Hepburn pretending to be whatever time period My Fair Lady takes place in? Early 1900's? But also a porno.

Yes, apparently.

I don't know what my fetish is, but just like obscenity, I know it when I see it.

try http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0189774/

It's from the 80's and has a fun title so.

Chemtrailologist
Jul 8, 2007
Has there been a porno about the life of Jesus yet?

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
The Last Temptation of Christ was pretty close.

Arch Stanton
Nov 23, 2003
EYEBALLS AND TONGUES DON'T MIX EW EW EW EW EW

sbaldrick posted:

I can guess the reason but it's super loving racist.

Finding physical traits common to a particular race attractive or unattractive is not racism.

Rygar201
Jan 26, 2011
I AM A TERRIBLE PIECE OF SHIT.

Please Condescend to me like this again.

Oh yeah condescend to me ALL DAY condescend daddy.


Never mind, that's dumb as hell

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!

Fun Shoe

Those black chicks and their big butts, amirite?

CAPT. Rainbowbeard
Apr 5, 2012

My incredible goodposting transcends time and space but still it cannot transform the xbone into a good console.
Lipstick Apathy

Arch Stanton posted:

Finding physical traits common to a particular race attractive or unattractive is not racism.

That sounds like something a racist would say.

The hounds have been released. Stay where you are.

\/\/\/\/ preach it sibling!

CAPT. Rainbowbeard fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Feb 13, 2015

Wheeler
Nov 24, 2003

If presented with two people, finding one of them attractive and not the other is literally rape.

Vice versa, finding the OTHER one attractive is literally racism.

Positive Optimyst
Oct 25, 2010

by FactsAreUseless
Darkpriest,

Or anyone.

One of my old favorite performers was / is "Krystina King" aka "Suzie St. James"

She performed from 1989 to 1993 (I think)

I have googled and looked for her movies but when I find them there are never any seeders.

Anyone know how I can download Kristina Kings movies?


Thanks in advance.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Dillbag
Mar 4, 2007

Click here to join Lem Lee in the Hell Of Being Cut To Pieces
Nap Ghost

Positive Optimyst posted:

Darkpriest,

Or anyone.

One of my old favorite performers was / is "Krystina King" aka "Suzie St. James"

She performed from 1989 to 1993 (I think)

I have googled and looked for her movies but when I find them there are never any seeders.

Anyone know how I can download Kristina Kings movies?


Thanks in advance.

Are you asking the adult movie producer, director and actor, who makes his living off his films, what the best torrent site for adult movies is?

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Positive Optimyst posted:


Anyone know how I can download Kristina Kings movies?


Thanks in advance.

usually you right click on the link and there's a "save as" command in the contextual menu, hth

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

bone shaking.
soul baking.

Positive Optimyst posted:

Darkpriest,

Or anyone.

One of my old favorite performers was / is "Krystina King" aka "Suzie St. James"

She performed from 1989 to 1993 (I think)

I have googled and looked for her movies but when I find them there are never any seeders.

Anyone know how I can download Kristina Kings movies?


Thanks in advance.

I think the answer is you go buy them.

CAPT. Rainbowbeard
Apr 5, 2012

My incredible goodposting transcends time and space but still it cannot transform the xbone into a good console.
Lipstick Apathy

Mr. Nice! posted:

I think the answer is you go buy them.

Where does one buy niche/specific movies for a reasonable price?

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

bone shaking.
soul baking.

CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:

Where does one buy niche/specific movies for a reasonable price?

I'll freely admit that I didn't have a clue where I might, but I googled her name and the first link was an IMDB style page for porn that if you click any of the titles in her discography it links to places it can be purchased on demand.

http://www.iafd.com/person.rme/perfid=kking/gender=f/kristina-king.htm :nws: obviously.

Fatty
Sep 13, 2004
Not really fat

Arch Stanton posted:

Finding physical traits common to a particular race attractive or unattractive is not racism.

Except he never said anything even remotely related to that.

Rygar201
Jan 26, 2011
I AM A TERRIBLE PIECE OF SHIT.

Please Condescend to me like this again.

Oh yeah condescend to me ALL DAY condescend daddy.


So what's so cool about Christina King?

darkpriest
Dec 11, 2000

Dillbag posted:

Have the recent condom laws affected the way you shoot? I.e. are you shooting with condoms now or have you been forced to relocate to shoot without condoms? If so, has it negatively affected your business?

I left LA County before the condom law went into effect. Measure B has yet to be enforced. The County doesn't seem interested in dealing with it. They didn't even defend the law in court, instead an outside organization that was behind the condom law were the ones who defended it.

darkpriest
Dec 11, 2000

Kaal posted:

Honestly, it's pretty likely that the judge would be all too happy to throw down that kind of court order if a woman asked for it. The men wouldn't have to pay for the testing (unless they were the father), but they'd probably be obligated to do it. It'd be pretty tough to argue that they weren't eligible to be tested when the judge would have photographic proof that sex occurred, complete with documents establishing the time and date. It'd all be done for the good of the child, and the privacy rights and professional expectations of the sex partners would play second fiddle.

There is theory and then there's reality. How is the court going to find her partner? 90% of the time, performers don't know each other's real names. On top of that the industry has greatly spread out. Performers travel to shoot today more than ever shooting in LA, Las Vegas, San Fran and Florida. The court would have to track down all of the performers real names, where they live and if they don't live in state, compel them to take a blood test. That isn't going to happen. Considering they have been unable to enforce the condom law only reinforces that. The industry has been around for 30 plus years and nothing like that has even remotely occurred.

darkpriest
Dec 11, 2000

Landsknecht posted:

How is budget/financing in the industry (or for you at least) taken care of? I know you've said you're an independent contractor, so are you just hired on a costs+materials or flat fee contract, and then you do your thing, or do you go to studios with proposals for certain films/scenes and then work out complete arrangements? Are there certain funds or financial institutions which fund productions for the industry? Or do production companies front all the capital for their own stuff?

The production companies fund the specific content they want through freelance producers. The majority of production companies do not have in house crews. This way, they avoid any legal issues and the individual producer is liable. The production company tends to build a relationship with specific freelance producers. This way they know they are getting the content they specifically are requesting.

darkpriest
Dec 11, 2000

pentyne posted:

This is something I'd love to hear about in detail, or at least be pointed to a site that explains it.

From memory of past threads, porn shoots in the US exist only in LA or Florida/Miami, maybe a extremely small minority elsewhere. Tons of the stuff they do in FL/Miami is "hope we don't get caught!" stuff like bangbus and public exposure scenes which have the potential to get people cited for public indecency/arrested.

In Japan the "someone gets molested/hosed on a train/in public" is fairly common, but it seems like even if its being recorded its the kind of thing everyone else looks away and pretends isn't happening rather then calling police. In the UK the FakeTaxi series started out like a taxi-esque bangbus series but after a while they stop the cars in isolated/fenced off areas to shoot the sex scenes rather then keep driving around.

The Japanese scenes you mentioned are staged. Those are extras. JAV companies come here to the US and sometimes create that content here. They will rent a bus and hire extras to achieve the same look.

darkpriest
Dec 11, 2000

Shadowhand00 posted:

Kinda related to this, is Kenny Styles still in the industry? He seemed to be the only Asian dude who was doing higher end flicks for a while?

He seems to float in and out. He is not very active these days.

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

darkpriest posted:

The Japanese scenes you mentioned are staged. Those are extras. JAV companies come here to the US and sometimes create that content here. They will rent a bus and hire extras to achieve the same look.

Do they bring their own crew or hire locals?

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

darkpriest posted:

There is theory and then there's reality. How is the court going to find her partner? 90% of the time, performers don't know each other's real names. On top of that the industry has greatly spread out. Performers travel to shoot today more than ever shooting in LA, Las Vegas, San Fran and Florida. The court would have to track down all of the performers real names, where they live and if they don't live in state, compel them to take a blood test. That isn't going to happen. Considering they have been unable to enforce the condom law only reinforces that. The industry has been around for 30 plus years and nothing like that has even remotely occurred.

All very hypothetical, but assuming the court really wanted to, tracking down all the performers should be easy enough right? They'd just have to compel the production company to produce the contacts for the shoots in question, and those would have to have the performers real names?

Fatty
Sep 13, 2004
Not really fat
I thought production companies had to keep copies of performers IDs on file to prevent accidental child porn.

vxsarin
Oct 29, 2004


ASK ME ABOUT MY AP WIRE PHOTOS

PittTheElder posted:

All very hypothetical, but assuming the court really wanted to, tracking down all the performers should be easy enough right? They'd just have to compel the production company to produce the contacts for the shoots in question, and those would have to have the performers real names?

They'd also have to force the performers into a dna test, which would basically be impossible.

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

darkpriest posted:

There is theory and then there's reality. How is the court going to find her partner? 90% of the time, performers don't know each other's real names.

Huh, I always assumed that they all knew each others names and that they just used stage names when the cameras were on :confused:

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darkpriest
Dec 11, 2000

jerichojx posted:

With the prevalence of tube sites and torrents, I find it hard to imagine porn doing well. Isn't the cost of talent kinda low anyways? At like $1000USD per scene or something?

Like here in Singapore when porn is illegal? Do porn producer instead switch to making money from ads in those countries?


The industry has greatly contracted in terms of the number of active production companies, however there is still lots of production. The difference now is that most production is controlled by larger companies, with the largest being MindGeek (aka Manwin aka Mansef) which is the parent company of Brazzers.

In the past anyone with money could start a production company and even if the content was sub par, make money from it. Today that is nearly impossible. The industry hit a bubble of sorts in the mid 2000's, right around 05 or 06. There was simply to much production, to many production companies that flooded the market with inferior product. Then came the tube sites and then came the Great Recession. It was a combination of the economic issues of 2008, combined with the tube sites that eventually drove many companies out of business.

The ones that survived were the ones that either shot high quality productions or shot product that had a very strong and very loyal core audience.

What also came out of that bubble collapse were the Internet companies. Some of those companies are now major producers, because they understood how to create and market a product.

The biggest of those is now called MindGeek. They were originally known as Mansef and were created by three guys (Keez, Manos and Sam) who were extremely good at aggregating web traffic. They used that traffic they had built to start Brazzers. On top of that, though they didn't create the Tube concept, they improved upon it and made a series of adult Tube sites. Things started to turn a bit ugly for them, as they originally tried to hide their involvement in the tube sites and they got out, selling Mansef to a new owner (Fabian Thylmann) who was the creator of the biggest adult content management system. He renamed the company Manwin. Manwin then went and bought some of the largest production companies and folded them all into this very large corporate institution. Today that includes Brazzers, Mofos, Twistys, Digital Playground, Reality Kings and even partial stake in Playboy. There is much conjecture of how Thylmann was able to get the funding to buy up all these companies, but according to the company he secured financing from a New York investment firm. Thylmann then ran into trouble in his own country of Germany, where he was put under house arrest for tax evasion. He sold his stake in the company to other partners he had and they renamed the company MindGeek.

Besides the production of content that MindGeek is involved in, they also own the 8 largest tube sites. Arguably MindGeek is probably the largest adult company ever.

No longer do these smaller studios exist. Back in the early 2000's there were probably 100 studios, but they weren't large. Most were small. That is completely gone today. It is now mostly controlled by much larger entities, with 100's of employees.

MindGeek is making money due to the fact that they use their tube sites to sell ads, and to also promote their own various brands. They also have insane amounts of data at their finger tips from theses tube sites that give them detailed insight into what consumers want to see. They are a juggernaught.

While there are much less companies, production is still solid. There are probably several 100's of scenes shot a month through the professional industry.

The difference now is profit is collected through a variety of mediums. It is no longer just one avenue that generates profits. The companies that are solid still produce content for physical media (DVD), Internet (membership site), VOD and Broadcast.

The real issue is for the small producer. They can't compete with the established brands and don't have access to all the avenues of revenue as stated above, that a larger company would be able to do.

The profits are also much leaner. The average performer or producer is never going to be a millionaire. Most people in the industry make a middle class to above middle class living.

Quality is what now makes a product sell. This is a combination of casting the popular performers and producing the content with a solid technical execution.



Pukestain Pal posted:

I think the $1000 is a day rate, not a 'per scene' rate.

Performers are paid per scene. In the professional side of the industry, most female performers start at 1,000 per scene and then their rate can go much higher depending on their popularity. A female performer in the top 5% can charge a very high rate and will consistently receive that rate due some of the reasons mentioned above.

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