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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:Reminds me of a guy I know who despite having a rather cushy bank job, also set up multiple companies in his name in order to deduct pretty much everything he earns from his real job against vague imaginary business expenses in personal companies that conveniently make no money. I think he claims he gives "financial advice to immigrants" or "general consulting advice" or something through his "companies" but will do things like drive across town to visit friends, claim he takes about finance and write the trip off as a business expense. The CRA will get him eventually. loving around with fake business expenses is always stupid as you will always get caught at some point even in a random personal audit which happen more then you think.
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sbaldrick posted:The CRA will get him eventually. loving around with fake business expenses is always stupid as you will always get caught at some point even in a random personal audit which happen more then you think. And then you hire a tax lawyer and negotiate to retire your outsized bill at 5 to 10% of face value. NBD.
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# ? Feb 17, 2015 19:29 |
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I got audited by the CRA when I was 19. Behold, CRA, my vast financial empire of having a part-time job for 4 months and paying tuition to a university.
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Dreylad posted:I got audited by the CRA when I was 19. Behold, CRA, my vast financial empire of having a part-time job for 4 months and paying tuition to a university. Was this like 2008 or 2009? One of those years I think they must have decided to audit like every university student, because myself and more than half of my friends got hit all in one tax period.
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# ? Feb 17, 2015 21:19 |
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My dad has earned most of his income overseas and thus has claimed a lot of overseas tax credit. The CRA decided to get all up in his grill an audit him twice. Both times they found out they owed him money. A good accountant is worth his weight in gold.
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# ? Feb 17, 2015 21:19 |
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Yeah, even on the low end of things. I went over my taxes with a fine tooth comb, pushed everything to the limit, over-claimed on poo poo, basically bent the system as far as I could and ended up coming out with like a $50 return. I was worried I pushed it too far so got our retired accountant friend to look it over for a case of beer. I got $300 out of it. Wizardry. Then again our tax systems shouldn't be like this, it shouldn't take a paid wizard to get your correct results.
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# ? Feb 17, 2015 21:41 |
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You think the Canadian tax system is bad? You should check out amerikkka
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# ? Feb 17, 2015 21:48 |
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Baronjutter posted:Then again our tax systems shouldn't be like this, it shouldn't take a paid wizard to get your correct results. loving this. I'd much rather my extra money go to the government to do useful things, rather than to some accountant. The tax code is so hosed up and bizarre that, if we did away with all these little bullshit ways of lowering taxable income and whatnot, we could probably lower the nominal rate and still come out well ahead, because there'd be fewer ways for people to game the system. Of course, this is not politically palatable. A deduction/credit that you use is called a deduction, but one that someone else uses is called a loophole.
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# ? Feb 17, 2015 21:50 |
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About half the people I've ever met that support a flat tax support it because the current system is "too confusing". Like they aren't libertarians or think the concept of progressive taxation is wrong, they just think the paperwork is too hard and it would be so much easier to have a flat tax because then they wouldn't have to pay H&R block to do their taxes every year.
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# ? Feb 17, 2015 21:51 |
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They'd still do it, because plugging a few numbers into a web form is far too much hassle for the busy suburban commuter.
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# ? Feb 17, 2015 22:11 |
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Baronjutter posted:About half the people I've ever met that support a flat tax support it because the current system is "too confusing". Like they aren't libertarians or think the concept of progressive taxation is wrong, they just think the paperwork is too hard and it would be so much easier to have a flat tax because then they wouldn't have to pay H&R block to do their taxes every year. I always wonder about people that think the actual rate applied to their income is actually the complicated part of filing your taxes, or what you need an accountant for.
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ocrumsprug posted:I always wonder about people that think the actual rate applied to their income is actually the complicated part of filing your taxes, or what you need an accountant for. It's just one of those things media indoctrinated into people. "taxes are SO HARD" became a self-propagating lie that's present whenever the topic is brought up in entertainment. Coupled with the glorification of stupidity that was omnipresent throughout the 80's and 90's, it's not surprising that people don't question it.
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ocrumsprug posted:I always wonder about people that think the actual rate applied to their income is actually the complicated part of filing your taxes, or what you need an accountant for. We've complained about it before, but there are tons of well educated high earning people who still don't even understand the basic concept of progressive taxation. It's not that they can't calculate it on the fly, they don't understand the extremely general concept of it. I would bet dollars to doughnuts that an actual majority of Canadians think "tax brackets" are an ever increasing flat-tax applied to their income. Careful not to earn too much or you'll bump up into a higher bracket and actually lose money!! It's like this country wants to punish success.
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Baronjutter posted:We've complained about it before, but there are tons of well educated high earning people who still don't even understand the basic concept of progressive taxation. It's not that they can't calculate it on the fly, they don't understand the extremely general concept of it. I would bet dollars to doughnuts that an actual majority of Canadians think "tax brackets" are an ever increasing flat-tax applied to their income. Careful not to earn too much or you'll bump up into a higher bracket and actually lose money!! It's like this country wants to punish success. Why not just include a graph of income tax vs. gross income, and net income vs. gross income (both assuming no deductions) with every tax package? It would be trivial to recognize that you can never "lose money" by making more money, even if you don't understand the concept of tax brackets that well to begin with.
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PT6A posted:Why not just include a graph of income tax vs. gross income, and net income vs. gross income (both assuming no deductions) with every tax package? It would be trivial to recognize that you can never "lose money" by making more money, even if you don't understand the concept of tax brackets that well to begin with. lol, you think the average Canadian can read a graph?
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# ? Feb 18, 2015 00:03 |
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I"m pretty sure most people would be shocked at how little they pay in taxes in real terms to be honest but to do that it would require a huge breakdown of public spending that most people wouldn't understand.
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# ? Feb 18, 2015 00:16 |
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Remember all the loving handwringing in bc about how the hst would "hurt low income families the most" because it would incur something like $500 a year in taxes? My friend, a U of T educated lawyer, employee of a bay Street law firm told me this was why he was against it (I blame his poo poo for brains hippy dippy wife for this). gently caress everyone
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Lexicon posted:lol, you think the average Canadian can read a graph? Isn't that covered in grade 7 or 8 or something? Like, how in the gently caress can you graduate high school without being able to understand how a simple graph works? Even Ricky got his grade 10!
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# ? Feb 18, 2015 00:51 |
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When I moved to Washington state my overall tax bill was cut by over 60%, despite my income over doubling. It's ridiculous. You pay for it in other ways though, with shoddier higher education, higher healthcare costs, and worse roads, but still. 18% gross versus over 50% made it a no brainer.
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:When I moved to Washington state my overall tax bill was cut by over 60%, despite my income over doubling. It's ridiculous. How where you paying over 50%, I pay around 30% and I'm in the top 20% of the country.
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# ? Feb 18, 2015 01:47 |
The worse roads are such a noticeable thing in America. Driving on I90 there were actual RUTS in the road where if you weren't exactly in the rut it was super hard to control the car. Lane changing was super weird because of it. I'd literally never, ever seen that before anywhere in Canada, and I've driven across BC multiple times on a lot of different highways.
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HookShot posted:The worse roads are such a noticeable thing in America. Driving on I90 there were actual RUTS in the road where if you weren't exactly in the rut it was super hard to control the car. Lane changing was super weird because of it. I'd literally never, ever seen that before anywhere in Canada, and I've driven across BC multiple times on a lot of different highways. I've seen those inside the city limits in Calgary. The only patch I can remember was re-paved, mind you, but it was there for a while.
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HookShot posted:The worse roads are such a noticeable thing in America. Driving on I90 there were actual RUTS in the road where if you weren't exactly in the rut it was super hard to control the car. Lane changing was super weird because of it. I'd literally never, ever seen that before anywhere in Canada, and I've driven across BC multiple times on a lot of different highways. America is basically a dumb country that doesn't do adequate infrastructure investment since it's not as useful to certain interest groups as another foreign military adventure.
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HookShot posted:The worse roads are such a noticeable thing in America. Driving on I90 there were actual RUTS in the road where if you weren't exactly in the rut it was super hard to control the car. Lane changing was super weird because of it. I'd literally never, ever seen that before anywhere in Canada, and I've driven across BC multiple times on a lot of different highways. Sounds like Montreal to me.
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Lexicon posted:Sounds like Montreal to me. Montreal roads were apparently hand crafted by the local mafia.
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etalian posted:Montreal roads were apparently hand crafted by the local mafia. Those arent potholes, theyre potential body disposal sites!
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# ? Feb 18, 2015 03:17 |
Yeah, I kind of assume Montreal's construction/roads/infrastructure should be considered different to the rest of Canada's.
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sbaldrick posted:How where you paying over 50%, I pay around 30% and I'm in the top 20% of the country. Pretty easy, with provincial plus federal plus sales tax etc.
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# ? Feb 18, 2015 04:55 |
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You don't understand how progressive taxation works. My WA taxes are only marginally less than my BC/CA taxes. e: marginal namaste friends fucked around with this message at 05:09 on Feb 18, 2015 |
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Yeah, I just stuck the numbers in a tax calculator, and got it up to $90 million in income which is still just a 45% tax rate and I'm too lazy to go higher. edit: which seeing as the marginal rate is 45.8% it's literally impossible to get it to 50% tax. double edit: also if you consider sales tax to be in the same category as income tax you're an idiot. There's a reason they have two different names in French.
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# ? Feb 18, 2015 05:01 |
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I think the only place in North America you can move to where you're significantly ahead due to income tax is Texas.
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Cultural Imperial posted:I think the only place in North America you can move to where you're significantly ahead due to income tax is Texas. Florida also doesn't have income tax
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HookShot posted:The worse roads are such a noticeable thing in America. Driving on I90 there were actual RUTS in the road where if you weren't exactly in the rut it was super hard to control the car. Lane changing was super weird because of it. I'd literally never, ever seen that before anywhere in Canada, and I've driven across BC multiple times on a lot of different highways. The 400-series highways are better than interstates in New York and Massachusetts and about the same as interstates in Michigan and Florida. Surface streets in Toronto are worse than any I've seen in the U.S.
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# ? Feb 18, 2015 05:54 |
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I'd say the NJ turnpike is the most amazing piece of road engineering I've seen in north america. Specifically the garden state parkway. gently caress everything in Massachusettes and Pennsylvania though.
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:Was this like 2008 or 2009? One of those years I think they must have decided to audit like every university student, because myself and more than half of my friends got hit all in one tax period. No about 4 years earlier than that.
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# ? Feb 18, 2015 17:27 |
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I'd love to move outside of Toronto and buy a more reasonably priced house, unfortunately I wouldn't be able to find a job out in the boonies
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# ? Feb 18, 2015 17:34 |
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The trick to escaping Toronto is to move so far away from it that all the jobs in the region aren't being sucked in to that black hole.
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# ? Feb 18, 2015 17:47 |
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The real secret is to get a job where you can work remotely most of the time. In other news, everyone wants to move to BC. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/influx-of-new-residents-expected-for-bc-over-next-several-years/article23041588/ quote:Influx of new residents expected for B.C. over next several years
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Cultural Imperial posted:The real secret is to get a job where you can work remotely most of the time. I wish I knew more languages. An old friend of the family has a beach house in Spain, speaks four European languages on top of English fluently, and does all of her work translating legal documents from the beach. She lives with basically no costs outside of a love for tapas during the siesta. Nothing I know how to do can be done remotely, really.
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