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Etrips
Nov 9, 2004

Having Teemo Problems?
I Feel Bad For You, Son.
I Got 99 Shrooms
And You Just Hit One.

GreenNight posted:

Still another thing to lose, seriously, it happens. I got hundreds of standard cables, but not bricks.

How often do you lose things?

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GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Rarely, but I've had power bricks go bad before. Also at work it's not that difficult to lose one when you have dozens of monitors sitting around as spares.

Gwyrgyn Blood
Dec 17, 2002

For reference, QNIX QX2710 has 16ms input lag (roughly 1 frame at 60hz) which is fine for most people but mediocre by modern twitch gaming display standards. However, it also has extremely significant pixel response time (13.2ms G2G), which is massively exacerbated if you try to run it at too high of a refresh rate (96hz might be fine, don't really know). On top of that, as far as I know it has no blur reduction tech at all, so expect tons of motion blur in general.

Seems pretty attractive for the price overall as long as you aren't interested in high end gaming features.

Gwyrgyn Blood fucked around with this message at 02:17 on Feb 12, 2015

Hardbody Jones
Dec 14, 2002

Gwyrgyn Blood posted:

For reference, QNIX QX2710 has 16ms input lag (roughly 1 frame at 60hz) which is fine for most people but mediocre by modern twitch gaming display standards. However, it also has extremely significant pixel response time (13.2ms G2G), which is massively exacerbated if you try to run it at too high of a refresh rate (96hz might be fine, don't really know). On top of that, as far as I know it has no blur reduction tech at all, so expect tons of motion blur in general.

Seems pretty attractive for the price overall as long as you aren't interested in high end gaming features.

The QX2710 models with the extra poo poo (DisplayPorts, HDMI, etc) have higher input lag, but the barebones QX2710 that's only DVI is super low - http://wecravegamestoo.com/forums/monitor-reviews-discussion/13500-qnix-qx2710-review-2560x1440-matte-overclock-able-pls.html#post1016073

HalloKitty
Sep 30, 2005

Adjust the bass and let the Alpine blast

arbybaconator posted:

Is Chromebook Pixel REALLY the best IPS display on the market?

Ah, that 2560×1700 sweet photographic aspect ratio screen? Not exactly copied by anyone else, which is probably why it stayed in the title, because it's unique.

HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 11:14 on Feb 12, 2015

Gwyrgyn Blood
Dec 17, 2002

Fartbong Bonersatan posted:

The QX2710 models with the extra poo poo (DisplayPorts, HDMI, etc) have higher input lag, but the barebones QX2710 that's only DVI is super low - http://wecravegamestoo.com/forums/monitor-reviews-discussion/13500-qnix-qx2710-review-2560x1440-matte-overclock-able-pls.html#post1016073

Oh weird. So basically it looks like:

Virtually no Input Lag: QNIX QX2710 LED Evolution ll
Roughly ~16ms Input Lag: QNIX QX2710 LED Evolution II Multi TRUE10 SE

Pretty strange that's there's a whole frame of delay difference just because of extra input ports.

EoRaptor
Sep 13, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

Gwyrgyn Blood posted:

Oh weird. So basically it looks like:

Virtually no Input Lag: QNIX QX2710 LED Evolution ll
Roughly ~16ms Input Lag: QNIX QX2710 LED Evolution II Multi TRUE10 SE

Pretty strange that's there's a whole frame of delay difference just because of extra input ports.

Not really.

DVI Only is: Computer -> DVI -> Display Controller -> Display Panel

Multi is: Computer -> ??? -> Scan Line Converter -> Display Controller -> Display Panel

With DVI, you are effectively writing each line of the display directly to the panel buffer, and it is put on the panel effectively immediately.

With the multi input, the scan line converter has to wait until it sees an entire frame before it will hand off to the display controller, so you will always have a minimum of one frame of lag for most inputs. DP can have less lag, but most scan line converters don't bother to take advantage of this. DVI and HDMI inputs could also be set to a bypass mode, but again, most scan line converters don't implement this, and these displays are made as cheaply as possible.

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.
So when do korean 120hz 34" ultrawide curved screens for $299 start showing up on ebay?

Gwyrgyn Blood
Dec 17, 2002

EoRaptor posted:

With the multi input, the scan line converter has to wait until it sees an entire frame before it will hand off to the display controller, so you will always have a minimum of one frame of lag for most inputs. DP can have less lag, but most scan line converters don't bother to take advantage of this. DVI and HDMI inputs could also be set to a bypass mode, but again, most scan line converters don't implement this, and these displays are made as cheaply as possible.

Huh. BenQ and Asus gaming monitors (even the cheaper ones) have virtually no display lag despite having multiple inputs, but I suppose that makes sense considering they are specifically designed to minimize it.

Incredulous Dylan
Oct 22, 2004

Fun Shoe

necrobobsledder posted:

DisplayPort 1.2 is supposed to carry USB but my LG 34UM95P certainly doesn't do that over DisplayPort. I can definitely say it can carry audio though because I use it with my headphones out the back of the monitor or with the built-in speakers. What's hilarious is that on the official LG forums one of their reps said that the monitor doesn't have speakers. Yeah.... there's a lot of misinformation with this monitor. The weirdness with this monitor for me is trying to figure out when the USB hub kicks in with the input selection and when it's carried over Thunderbolt.

Same - I get audio through display with this monitor. I'm wondering if you did any calibration to yours or if there are some settings I just HAVE to play with? I think the picture is great but I haven't really delved into the settings beyond enabling display port 1.2. I haven't seen a big effect from the game mode besides it making everything really blue. I was hoping that would help with refresh rates when I am playing shooters.

DammitJanet
Dec 26, 2006

Nice shootin', Tex.
I've been using an Acer H233H (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009162) since 2009 or so, and I'm itching for an upgrade some time this year.

As for my usage needs, I'll be mostly gaming and watching movies on it, but I'm also a video editor, so I'm leaning toward an IPS panel whatever I end up with. My concern is this: my biggest problem with gaming is tearing. I've been a v-sync addict for years while my friends just accepted the tearing in exchange for higher FPS. Recently upgrading my GTX 285 to a GTX 760 has gotten me a little closer to tear-free gaming, but I'm getting sick of the lovely viewing angles on this Acer.

G-Sync looks right up my alley, but I think there are only TN panels that support it out there at the moment. My budget is <$300, and I get the feeling G-Sync compatible monitors will be around $500 for the rest of the year, and that's just not feasible for me.

Should I just stick it out for another six months or just throw out my monitor and save up for a Rift?

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph

Gwyrgyn Blood posted:

Huh. BenQ and Asus gaming monitors (even the cheaper ones) have virtually no display lag despite having multiple inputs, but I suppose that makes sense considering they are specifically designed to minimize it.

This might be stupid as poo poo but do different connections ever have different amounts of input lag? My shimian with dvi only is great and unnoticeable, but I was wondering if there was a way to get lower lag from my tv that has 8 thousand different inputs.

Gwaihir
Dec 8, 2009
Hair Elf

Wowporn posted:

This might be stupid as poo poo but do different connections ever have different amounts of input lag? My shimian with dvi only is great and unnoticeable, but I was wondering if there was a way to get lower lag from my tv that has 8 thousand different inputs.

Yes, that can certainly be a thing, but in the case of your TV it's probably going to be equally bad for all inputs. Depending on the model it might have a Game mode, or a trick where you can label an input as PC to remove the image processing, but even best case TVs tend to have more input lag a general PC monitor will. Some are significantly worse,

EoRaptor
Sep 13, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

Gwyrgyn Blood posted:

Huh. BenQ and Asus gaming monitors (even the cheaper ones) have virtually no display lag despite having multiple inputs, but I suppose that makes sense considering they are specifically designed to minimize it.

Yes, there are lots of things that can be done to minimize input lag through the converter, but all of them add to the cost of the chip/display. It's probably only 30 cents to a dollar of material cost, but that means the end result can be a 20 to 40 dollar price premium.

Wowporn posted:

This might be stupid as poo poo but do different connections ever have different amounts of input lag? My shimian with dvi only is great and unnoticeable, but I was wondering if there was a way to get lower lag from my tv that has 8 thousand different inputs.

Yes, different inputs can have different amounts of lag, with analog inputs likely having the most, and digital the least. Mis-matched input resolutions will also have more lag than ones that match.

Your brand new TV is doing a bunch of image smoothing and frame interpolation because NTSC signals are pretty garbage for flat panels. PAL is better, but still pretty bad. It takes time to fix up the image, and often these fixups rely on being able to see the next few frames to correct the current frame a bit, so everything is often 4 or 5 frames behind. It's so bad the TV will often have to correct the audio by a few frames to keep things synced up, and if you don't use the audio through the TV, it can be noticeably off.

Factory Factory
Mar 19, 2010

This is what
Arcane Velocity was like.

HalloKitty posted:

Ah, that 2560 1700 sweet photographic aspect ratio screen? Not exactly copied by anyone else, which is probably why it stayed in the title, because it's unique.

It's just an old thread title. The new candidate would either be a 5K display, one of the upcoming 144 Hz IPS G-Sync displays, or perhaps the Surface Pro 3 for its delicious 3:2 2160x1440 display.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph


Okay, I figured about as much. On game mode my TV is fine for almost all controller games/console ports so it's not a big deal, I was just curious if there was anything easy I was missing. The only time I've ever found a game unplayable was trying to play mass effect 3 with a wireless kb/m since it forces v sync automatically and adds even more lag.

Tanbo
Nov 19, 2013

Sorry to post this, but it doesn't seem like the OP has been updated in some time. My current monitor is old and kinda small, a crap 21.5" TN I picked up for cheap to replace my CRT ~8 years ago. Looking to upgrade to something better/bigger. Money isn't a huge object but I think a reasonable budget is ~500. I won't really be gaming on this, it's primarily a work/browsing/email pc, and the games I do play are rarely twitch type games, I tend to play from the couch on my HTPC anyway (using steam, so streaming using a 970 is likely). My work doesn't involve programming or image/video editing, but it is text based, with some multitasking. Looking to make my work more efficient.

I've been mainly looking at the Ultrasharps, really I'm trying to decide if I should go with a 1440 27", or a 1200 24", with the possibility of a second one later.

SYSV Fanfic
Sep 9, 2003

by Pragmatica
My display is going out. I want a monitor that won't dominate my desk, so I am looking for something 17-19". I'm not worried about resolution - I've been using a 15" 1366x768 display for awhile. I'm mostly worried about durability, 4:3 aspect letter-boxing is an absolute requirement. Nice to haves include hdmi and dvi support. If it has hdmi, an audio out jack would be nice. Sub $150 is the goal.

Are there any suggestions? It seems like the decent monitors now are 22" and up, while the sub 20" are cheap poo poo that only have VGA.

I had a 23" monitor and I hated it. It dominated my desk so badly I did my reading and note taking in my kitchen.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Dell Home has Dell U2515H UltraSharp 25" 2560x1440 Monitor for $386.99 Free Shipping after Coupon Code: "P43LD0MQJLGB33" (Exp Soon). Tax in most.

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Features new size & resolution combo: 25" IPS screen w/ 2560x1440 QHD @ 60Hz
Video Ports: 2x HDMI; 1x Mini DisplayPort; 1x DisplayPort; 1x DisplayPort out (MST)
sRGB 99%; 350nits; 1000:1 CR; 3-year Advanced Exchange Warranty; Anti-glare
Additional Ports: 5-port USB 3.0 Hi-speed Hub, 1 Audio Line Out (for speakers)

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

iram omni possibili modo preme:
plus una illa te diffamabit, quam multæ virtutes commendabunt

SYSV Fanfic posted:

4:3 aspect letter-boxing is an absolute requirement.

I can understand preferring taller screens - I do as well and I'm mildly annoyed to be forced to buy widescreen - but why would you ever actually letter-box. That's just wasting screen space, even if it's the less valuable horizontal kind. Use those edges for the Windows taskbar or Rainmeter notification widgets or something, anything.

If you're mostly reading/writing text, consider just going with portrait mode.

SYSV Fanfic
Sep 9, 2003

by Pragmatica

NihilCredo posted:

I can understand preferring taller screens - I do as well and I'm mildly annoyed to be forced to buy widescreen - but why would you ever actually letter-box. That's just wasting screen space, even if it's the less valuable horizontal kind. Use those edges for the Windows taskbar or Rainmeter notification widgets or something, anything.

If you're mostly reading/writing text, consider just going with portrait mode.

Don't know if I used the right term. If I run an old 4:3 full screen program (dosbox, old games, other weird stuff that I do). I want the aspect ratio preserved, not stretched.

Someone told me about newegg's part picker - I am thinking about this.

dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.

SYSV Fanfic posted:

Don't know if I used the right term. If I run an old 4:3 full screen program (dosbox, old games, other weird stuff that I do). I want the aspect ratio preserved, not stretched.


That's up to you graphics card these days.

Anyway I doubt anyone here will have a lot of experience with monitors that small - they're extremely niche now 23" models are so cheap

SCheeseman
Apr 23, 2003

SYSV Fanfic posted:

Don't know if I used the right term. If I run an old 4:3 full screen program (dosbox, old games, other weird stuff that I do). I want the aspect ratio preserved, not stretched.

Someone told me about newegg's part picker - I am thinking about this.

As said above, this can be set in the graphics card settings. Any video card released within the last 10 years or so should be capable of it.

For DOSBox, I actually recommend setting it so it renders out at whatever the resolution of the monitor is while enabling 3X scaling, bilinear filtering and aspect ratio correction. It gives nice crisp pixels instead of a blurry mess.

SCheeseman fucked around with this message at 13:45 on Feb 15, 2015

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
I want to get a 144hz monitor, maybe even one with Gsync. Right now I'm deciding between the Asus VG248QE and the BenQ XL2420G. Is there any reason to spend an extra 240 dollars on the BenQ? For how amazing Gsync is supposed to be, there doesn't seem to be much in the way of options.

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.
Wait for IPS ones to come out this year.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
I'm assuming those are going to cost $1000?

Sidesaddle Cavalry
Mar 15, 2013

Oh Boy Desert Map

Cojawfee posted:

I want to get a 144hz monitor, maybe even one with Gsync. Right now I'm deciding between the Asus VG248QE and the BenQ XL2420G. Is there any reason to spend an extra 240 dollars on the BenQ? For how amazing Gsync is supposed to be, there doesn't seem to be much in the way of options.
Be careful if you decide on a Asus VG248QE, especially if you try the gray market. Those things originally only had Gsync onboard as a retrofit, so you need to make sure that Gsync was already installed in the first place.

Your only other option right now is the ROG Swift halo-tier monitor, because the rest of the industry has only announced their adaptation of the tech at the beginning of this year. Take Don Lapre's advice and wait for even better monitors in a few months.

EDIT:

Cojawfee posted:

I'm assuming those are going to cost $1000?
Also in the works are monitors with AMD's FreeSync, with a price tag possibly aiming at least as low as the BenQ you mentioned. I believe Acer's leading the way with that one around the same time this year.

Sidesaddle Cavalry fucked around with this message at 06:44 on Feb 16, 2015

Etrips
Nov 9, 2004

Having Teemo Problems?
I Feel Bad For You, Son.
I Got 99 Shrooms
And You Just Hit One.

Cojawfee posted:

I'm assuming those are going to cost $1000?

Should check out all the new hotness coming out this year.

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/news_archive/32.htm#acer_xr341ck

necrobobsledder
Mar 21, 2005
Lay down your soul to the gods rock 'n roll
Nap Ghost
Not sure if this is the thread but someone mentioned the LG34UM95P is heavy. Well to state some of the obvious, my U2711 is easily heavier. I used to have my U2711 mounted to my monitor arm and it's not even funny how lighter my 34" is than the U2711. It really makes a difference in the tension action needed to use the mount effectively. Monitor arms should be rated by weight rather than size primarily if you ask me. Only with multi display mounts would the size matter.

Incredulous Dylan posted:

Same - I get audio through display with this monitor. I'm wondering if you did any calibration to yours or if there are some settings I just HAVE to play with? I think the picture is great but I haven't really delved into the settings beyond enabling display port 1.2. I haven't seen a big effect from the game mode besides it making everything really blue. I was hoping that would help with refresh rates when I am playing shooters.
I messed with different color profiles and made sure I can distinguish between a few colors on some web pages I work on but nothing actually methodical. I haven't even bothered to try much with DP 1.2 but I've seen some vague reports of the monitor having DP 1.2 instability issues. I enabled it on mine and haven't seen a problem with my GPUs though. If there's a monitor I could recommend a firmware update for, this would be it (I've gone through at least 12 monitors through work or home purchases in the past 6 years). I have terrible opinions on gaming in general so I have nothing to say for the gaming mode one way or the other. Maybe one of those 144 Hz G-Sync panels that people are talking about might be noticeable if I actually tried, but gaming does little for my nerd boners really.

I'm holding out for a 34" IPS with USB type C connectors and maybe Thunderbolt too (so I can daisy chain them together and not need to buy two of these suckers) and suspect if the rumors of the MacBook Air moving to that and Thunderbolt are true, we'll get some 5k Apple display to follow depending upon the yields of the 5k displays from the Retina iMac.

necrobobsledder fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Feb 16, 2015

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?

Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:

Be careful if you decide on a Asus VG248QE, especially if you try the gray market. Those things originally only had Gsync onboard as a retrofit, so you need to make sure that Gsync was already installed in the first place.

That's still the case, they do not ship with the GSync card (which is why they're cheaper than the monitors with it built in) and I have not seen any stores actually stocking the things anymore.

I'd recommend against this particular unit if you want GSync because of that, plus it loses features when you install the card (all non-Displayport inputs disabled, crosshair/timer overlay disabled). That said it's always the cheapest 144Hz monitor I can find, so if you don't care about GSync it's great.

greasyhands
Oct 28, 2006

Best quality posts,
freshly delivered
Has anyone announced an OLED monitor?

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.

greasyhands posted:

Has anyone announced an OLED monitor?

No and its unlikely to happen due to burn in issues.

Lil Miss Clackamas
Jan 25, 2013

ich habe aids
When are we going to skip the whole monitor middle-man business and stream images directly into our brains via electrodes?

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?

Chalets the Baka posted:

When are we going to skip the whole monitor middle-man business and stream images directly into our brains via electrodes?

DARPA's working on it.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/17/darpas_google_glass_will_plug_straight_into_your_brain/

edit: If this ever happens, bets on how long it takes before someone tries to mess with the interface (overclocking it perhaps) and zaps their brain?

wolrah fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Feb 17, 2015

Delizin
Nov 9, 2005

It may not be interracial, but it is black and white.
I just bought two Dell Ultrasharp U2414H 23.8" monitors when Newegg had them for $200/ea last week. Now I am looking for a good mounting solution. I am thinking that I want to try to mount them to the wall with a swivel arm so I can swing them out in front of me when I'm using them, then push them up against the wall when I'm done. I'd also like them both to be mounted together side by side and not move independently.

I was thinking of getting something like this Ergotron 200 Series Dual Monitor Arm however that one says it is for >22" displays so mine might be a little too big at nearly 24".

It looks like Ergotron offers a dual monitor conversion kit for any of their single monitor arms, but it seems that this would nearly double the expense.

I'd love some insight on products and experiences from anyone who has tried something like this before.

Update:
Went ahead and got the Ergotron 97-783 Dual Monitor & Handle with the Ergotron 45-353-026 LX Sit-Stand Wall Mount Arm. The prices were crazy high on Amazon and Newegg, but found some on ebay that were new in the box for about half the price, so it came out around $230 for both.

Delizin fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Feb 18, 2015

LoseHound
Nov 10, 2012
Is there such a thing as a ~$150 1080p monitor decent for gaming? With speakers preferably, because I only ever use headphones and I don't want to get actual speakers.

Avian Pneumonia
May 24, 2006

ASK ME ABOUT MY OPINIONS ON CANCEL CULTURE
Any recommendations for a 30-ish inch monitor for under $1700?
General use/movies/casual gaming.

I prefer small bezels and don't really need any extras or options on it.
I'm looking at the dell U3014.

Etrips
Nov 9, 2004

Having Teemo Problems?
I Feel Bad For You, Son.
I Got 99 Shrooms
And You Just Hit One.

Avian Pneumonia posted:

Any recommendations for a 30-ish inch monitor for under $1700?
General use/movies/casual gaming.

I prefer small bezels and don't really need any extras or options on it.
I'm looking at the dell U3014.

Are you able to wait? There are two huge contenders coming out this year. The Acer [XB270HU] 27" 1440p 144Hz G-Sync IPS ULMB which people are guessing is going to be around $700-900USD, and start sales at the end of March. Then we have the Acer Predator XR341CK 34" Curved Gaming Screen with G-sync, which should run around $1200-1500 and should be out sometime this year. Still to be announced.

BurritoJustice
Oct 9, 2012

Avian Pneumonia posted:

Any recommendations for a 30-ish inch monitor for under $1700?
General use/movies/casual gaming.

I prefer small bezels and don't really need any extras or options on it.
I'm looking at the dell U3014.

I see literally no reason to buy the U3014 now that you can get 34" ultrawides or 32" 4K IPS screens for less money these days.

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Avian Pneumonia
May 24, 2006

ASK ME ABOUT MY OPINIONS ON CANCEL CULTURE

BurritoJustice posted:

I see literally no reason to buy the U3014 now that you can get 34" ultrawides or 32" 4K IPS screens for less money these days.

Any reccomendations in particular? The info on page 1 is pretty dated and I'm not sure where to look, really.

I should add that while I'm sure it's great for flight simulators and some games that I'm not really interested in curved screens.

Also: Are things like refresh rates really relevant to anyone but the most competitive of FPS gamers?

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