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Sebadoh Gigante posted:Here's a list of the list of teams used for last weekend's US regionals. Primeape? The hell? I'm wildly and futilely clicking its picture hoping it can explain what it's even doing there. Is it for Defiant, even though everything with Intimidate can butcher it anyway? Is it there to get walled by ghosts so Crawdaunt has some easy targets?
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What are the chances that Poké Crush might end up unlocking something interesting in ORAS, a la Manaphy? Gotta know if it's worth the time.
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Feb 19, 2015 19:07
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Primeape? The hell? I'm wildly and futilely clicking its picture hoping it can explain what it's even doing there. Is it for Defiant, even though everything with Intimidate can butcher it anyway? Is it there to get walled by ghosts so Crawdaunt has some easy targets? Presumably, the reason is that that guy likes Primeape.
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Feb 19, 2015 19:36
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Manatee Cannon posted:Presumably, the reason is that that guy likes Primeape. People using pokemon they like rather than ones that perform in the metagame? 
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Feb 19, 2015 19:50
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As Mr. Bing pointed out, it's quite probably a Landorus-T counter. It's the only Pokemon that has Defiant+Physical Ice attack.
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Feb 19, 2015 19:57
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Linx posted:People using pokemon they like rather than ones that perform in the metagame? It's a tournament. The point is to win. Using something you like is fine and dandy otherwise, but this is like putting a legless man in your Olympics swimming team because he's a hoot at parties. You'll get some attention for being unique but at the end of the day you're losing. By which I mean that Primeape is a liability: 252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Return vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Primeape: 402-474 (148.3 - 174.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252 Atk Life Orb Terrakion Rock Slide vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Primeape: 120-140 (44.2 - 51.6%) -- 14.1% chance to 2HKO 252 Atk Life Orb Terrakion Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Primeape: 382-450 (140.9 - 166%) -- guaranteed OHKO 236+ Atk Landorus-T Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Primeape: 289-342 (106.6 - 126.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252+ Atk Bisharp Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Primeape: 105-123 (38.7 - 45.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO 252+ Atk Life Orb Bisharp Iron Head vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Primeape: 273-321 (100.7 - 118.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO 112 SpA Suicune Scald vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Primeape: 120-142 (44.2 - 52.3%) -- 21.5% chance to 2HKO Of the top 5 most-used Pokemon, two of them are faster, and two are bulkier than hell and punch it up, and the only one it really beats is Bisharp, sort of, except that Bisharp can shave half of its HP off with a Sucker Punch and likes to hang out with fast things. I guess if it's scarfed it gets something by being faster than Landy-T or Megamence and getting them with +1 Ice Punches which seems... really specific for running something as frail and not very fast as Primeape. I guess you get something by the surprise of bringing a Primeape in? Dr Pepper posted:As Mr. Bing pointed out, it's quite probably a Landorus-T counter. I guess, maybe. I'd pick something that isn't such a liability in most other cases.
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Feb 19, 2015 20:13
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Twelve by Pies posted:Surprising the opponent that's expecting a special Nidoking, that's about it really. Gotta crush 'em all. I deleted it once I ran out of stuff because when I get out my 3ds I'd like to play more than a minute or two of something.
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Feb 19, 2015 20:15
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:It's a tournament. The point is to win. Using something you like is fine and dandy otherwise, but this is like putting a legless man in your Olympics swimming team because he's a hoot at parties. You'll get some attention for being unique but at the end of the day you're losing. 
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Feb 19, 2015 20:18
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:. I guess if it's scarfed it gets something by being faster than Landy-T or Megamence and getting them with +1 Ice Punches which seems... really specific for running something as frail and not very fast as Primeape. I guess you get something by the surprise of bringing a Primeape in? Primape is faster then Landorus-T even without a Scarf, Base 95 speed compared to base 91. Edit: Though is Landorus-T commonly scarfed? If so then yeah probably a scarf too. Dr Pepper fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Feb 19, 2015 |
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Feb 19, 2015 20:21
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Iirc, these tourney's are bring 6 pick 4 per battle. Primeape is purely a tech choice in this case. You pick him once you know your opponent has Land-T or Megamence.
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Feb 19, 2015 20:24
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I don't see what this proves until Nintendo adds a beauty contest portion to their video game tournament???
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Feb 19, 2015 20:26
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Weren't people going on about that fairy mouse being picked in some tournament and winning? Just because you don't see the utility doesn't mean it's not there. 
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Feb 19, 2015 20:26
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It was Parichisu. It's a good example of proper usage of a Pokemon. In most cases it's pretty bad, but for the team Park had in the environment of that tournament it helped him win.
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Feb 19, 2015 20:32
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Manatee Cannon posted:Weren't people going on about that fairy mouse being picked in some tournament and winning? Just because you don't see the utility doesn't mean it's not there. Pachirisu? It could protect Gyaradosi and Talonsflame and had a perfect movepool for making its lovely stats not particularly relevant. With Follow Me, Nuzzle, and Super Fang it had a unique combination of attributes. I guess Primeape has Ice Punch which Bisharp doesn't, because that's literally the only thing that Primeape could have over Bisharp.
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Feb 19, 2015 20:33
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Dr Pepper posted:It was Parichisu. It's a good example of proper usage of a Pokemon. In most cases it's pretty bad, but for the team Park had in the environment of that tournament it helped him win. He also said after winning that it does everything Amoongus does, but everyone packs a counter to it, so he rolled with Pachirisu.
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Feb 19, 2015 20:38
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Lando-T is scarf most of the time in high level play and Yache the rest of the time. Primeape would pretty much have to run a scarf which means it has to lock itself into an unSTABed Ice Punch to actually do damage to Landorus-T. There's really no reason to use Primeape when Bisharp can OHKO Landorus-T and is also way better against pretty much the entire rest of the metagame. +1 252+ Atk Life Orb Bisharp Sucker Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Landorus-T: 156-185 (94.5 - 112.1%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO
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Feb 19, 2015 20:39
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Maybe it's a really weird set? Primeape does get Helping hand, Reversal, and Encore I guess.
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Feb 19, 2015 20:48
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Lhet posted:Maybe it's a really weird set? Primeape does get Helping hand, Reversal, and Encore I guess. Then we run into it being slower than Megamom, Megamence, or Megagross, Terrakion, and Hydreigon, which brings me back to "liability". Let's talk about my new hero:  Full trick room w/ Gastrodon. 
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Feb 19, 2015 20:59
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Gastrodon is basically required if you don't want Camerupt to get completely hosed by Suicune and Politoed, and since Camerupt is the only real offense that team has it makes sense to protect it.
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Feb 19, 2015 21:05
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Hariyama is an offensive threat beyond Fake Out and Wide Guard, so is Gastrodon and there's a good chance that guy's running 204+ Attack Brave Ferrothorn w/ Lum
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Feb 19, 2015 21:15
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edit: removed email/darkrai code shenanigans To contribute, I've been playing Pokemon Shuffle. It's alright. Perfectly fine and free if you have impulse control/no money. And both apply to me! Dr. Cool Aids fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Feb 19, 2015 |
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Feb 19, 2015 21:43
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Then we run into it being slower than Megamom, Megamence, or Megagross, Terrakion, and Hydreigon, which brings me back to "liability". That's a really cool team.
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Feb 19, 2015 21:46
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Sudden Javelin posted:aaaa i don't have PMs. You still got one left? Email's below It's yours, my mail app is being dumb and won't send, it should be with you soon. Edit: Sent. Linx fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Feb 19, 2015 |
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Feb 19, 2015 21:53
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The Buizel I got from this thread is icin' pokemans left and right and also has evolved into a Floatzel. Good job.
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Feb 19, 2015 21:53
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Thanks a ton, got the e-mail and the code worked fine. I'm in the unenviable position of having a European 3DS while being in Canada for the next year so I can never take advantage of the GAME store promotions.
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Feb 19, 2015 22:00
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Sudden Javelin posted:Thanks a ton, got the e-mail and the code worked fine. I'm in the unenviable position of having a European 3DS while being in Canada for the next year so I can never take advantage of the GAME store promotions. You're welcome  If you could edit out your quote of my post that'd be great.
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Feb 19, 2015 22:02
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Lhet posted:Maybe it's a really weird set? Primeape does get Helping hand, Reversal, and Encore I guess. This is probably it. Helping Hand let's bulky Clefable (almost always) OHKO offensive Mega Mence with Moonblast. I'm kinda surprised we don't see more Crobats though. It ties with Aerodactyl for the fastest Taunt+Tailwind User (aside from pranksters I suppose) while being bulkier and having better defensive typing. I guess too many Rock Slides running around? buddychrist10 fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Feb 19, 2015 |
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Feb 19, 2015 22:46
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Woah MLG pokemon is serious business. My strategy is pick a bunch of bugs and grass types and just put poo poo to sleep.
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Feb 19, 2015 23:20
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gannyGrabber posted:Woah MLG pokemon is serious business. Talonflame will murder all your friends and they'll loving die. Also Amoonguss and Safety Goggles Togekiss are p.cool at making your sleeps not work.
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Feb 19, 2015 23:22
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I pick pokemon that look cool. That's it, there's no other strategy.
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Feb 19, 2015 23:25
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People that PLAY the game? Heresy!
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Feb 19, 2015 23:28
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ORAS Elite Four are some serious suckers, drat. I steamrolled with the biggest bunch of turds ever - Mightyena, Beautifly, Grumpig (LVP), Swampert, Hariyama, and OK fine a mega Kyogre. But they were all about level 50 and none of the battles were even remotely tough. The Mightyena was actually a fun little guy - Caught him on one of the earliest routes with the Dexnav, and he knew Fire Fang.
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Feb 19, 2015 23:31
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Man, whose dumb idea was it to make the Legendary bird in XY a roaming motherfucker? I want to start a new play through, but don't want to start again until I catch that loving Zapdos. At least it only runs 10 times, right?
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Feb 19, 2015 23:34
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smertrioslol posted:I pick pokemon that look cool. Every pokemon looks cool though
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Feb 19, 2015 23:35
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:ORAS Elite Four are some serious suckers, drat. I steamrolled with the biggest bunch of turds ever - Mightyena, Beautifly, Grumpig (LVP), Swampert, Hariyama, and OK fine a mega Kyogre. I have an early mightyena too, and she's gonna go all the way to the top friend, all the way! also she has won several contests.
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cptn_dr posted:Man, whose dumb idea was it to make the Legendary bird in XY a roaming motherfucker? I want to start a new play through, but don't want to start again until I catch that loving Zapdos. At least it only runs 10 times, right? Eventually it'll go to the Sea God's Shrine, sit its rear end right down, and not move.
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cptn_dr posted:Man, whose dumb idea was it to make the Legendary bird in XY a roaming motherfucker? I want to start a new play through, but don't want to start again until I catch that loving Zapdos. At least it only runs 10 times, right? It's somewhere around 10, yeah. Then it flies off to an island and becomes stationary. The whole thing is loving stupid, probably the worst design decision they made in the entire game. It's somehow worse than a regular roaming legendary because you can't just save a master ball for the dumb bird and be done with it, oh no, you have to find it a bunch of times before it becomes a regular legendary battle. It's such a pointless waste of time.
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Feb 19, 2015 23:39
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:The Mightyena was actually a fun little guy - Caught him on one of the earliest routes with the Dexnav, and he knew Fire Fang. This is why ORAS is the best Pokemon game, for all its flaws.
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Gabriel Pope posted:This is why ORAS is the best Pokemon game, for all its flaws. Eh, it's got some nice features and the latest movelist improvements, but it struggles under its status as a remake of eleven year old games. I still say that what follows will probably blow it out of the water unless Gamefreak just drops everything new it introduced.
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