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track day bro! posted:Vettel is better than Schumacer, hes cooler and also more good. Also he didnt win with a cheaty car unlike ms. I love Vettel as much as the next cool guy does but he's not better than MS. Almost as good as, but not better
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Brainwrong posted:I love Vettel as much as the next cool guy does but he's not better than MS. Almost as good as, but not better Vettel has one major advantage over MS and its that hes able to be conscious.
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AgentJotun posted:Not sure if your taking the piss or what. Schumi won the 94 championship because he was head and shoulders better then anyone else that season, and for about the next ten seasons really. Don't give me any bullshit about Hakkinen who had frequent problems beating DC of all people. nah are damon was better
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vettle never lost to a rock quid est pro
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Feb 20, 2015 15:23
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Both Pastor and Kimi set faster lap times than last year's pole position? This year's cars are going to be really fast then http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2015/2/16821.html
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Feb 20, 2015 15:29
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AgentJotun posted:Not sure if your taking the piss or what. Schumi won the 94 championship because he was head and shoulders better then anyone else that season, and for about the next ten seasons really. Don't give me any bullshit about Hakkinen who had frequent problems beating DC of all people. The FW16 was definitely better than the B194; It had the advantage of the best engine as well. Look at Schumacher's results vs. his teammates during 1994, the Benetton was obviously very difficult to drive.
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be nice wicka posted:the mclaren still hasn't broken today Wow. Such reliability.
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Human Grand Prix posted:Wow. Such reliability. Well considering it's patched together until a new part arrives tomorrow it's not bad going
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be nice wicka posted:the mclaren still hasn't broken today Glorious future 2015 WDC Alonso isn't a poo poo hack driver that breaks cars like button.
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be nice wicka posted:the mclaren still hasn't broken today shut up wicka, you'll jynx it!!
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track day bro! posted:Vettel is better than Schumacer, hes cooler and also more good. Also he didnt win with a cheaty car unlike ms.
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Human Grand Prix posted:Wow. Such reliability. Maybe McLaren should some sweet Reddit/Dogecoin sponsorship like that nascar guy.
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Human Grand Prix posted:The FW16 was definitely better than the B194; It had the advantage of the best engine as well. Look at Schumacher's results vs. his teammates during 1994, the Benetton was obviously very difficult to drive. I always liked this video showing the telemetry from Schumacher vs Herbert, and explaining how Michael's style resulted in him going faster. He seemed to have a talent for finding the very edge of performance, both with throttle and steering, that other drivers hadn't figured out yet. They probably all drive this way now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtaV_cOGgTM
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I think Schumacher's best season, despite not winning, was 1998. The fact that he took the fight to Mika and Newey in a car that was obviously very inferior (and on the wrong tires to boot) was very impressive.
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WhoNeedsAName posted:He's right... 1. Schumacher wasn't a fraud and 2. Vettel isn't a vegetable (yet) I don't know, he does a pretty good impression of one most of the time
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Human Grand Prix posted:The FW16 was definitely better than the B194; It had the advantage of the best engine as well. Look at Schumacher's results vs. his teammates during 1994, the Benetton was obviously very difficult to drive. Also quite much easier to drive when you got traction control and your team mates don't. At least Lehto has been on record saying that Schumi's car had completely different firmware package than he ever had.
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I remain unconvinced that Schumacher had traction control.
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Der Kyhe posted:Also quite much easier to drive when you got traction control and your team mates don't. At least Lehto has been on record saying that Schumi's car had completely different firmware package than he ever had. If it was just firmware, wouldn't it be in the constructors best intrest to roll that out to both of your cars?
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Human Grand Prix posted:I remain unconvinced that Schumacher had traction control. Tbf he went off piste
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El Hefe posted:Tbf he went off piste Sounds like typical ABS failure to me. Are we sure he was using proper winter tires?
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Sussie Wulff. I would watch her getting rammed by Nasr, if you know what I mean fellas 
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Norns posted:If it was just firmware, wouldn't it be in the constructors best intrest to roll that out to both of your cars? Yes it would, but it is also easier to say that "He is just that good" when the other car isn't performing that well. Plausible deniability and such. If I remember correctly they also had some refueling shenanigans going on at the same time. Edit: BUT it might also be just Lehto talking out of his rear end; the guys latest motorsport achievement is convincing everyone that he didn't drive his boat into a bridge while black out-drunk. Der Kyhe fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Feb 20, 2015 |
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Human Grand Prix posted:The FW16 was definitely better than the B194; It had the advantage of the best engine as well. Look at Schumacher's results vs. his teammates during 1994, the Benetton was obviously very difficult to drive. Schumacher: 92pts his teammates: 11pts average number of points scored by his team-mates in other full seasons: JJ Lehto: 3 Jos Verstappen: 3 Johnny Herbert: 13 Hill: 91pts his team-mates: 27pts average number of points scored by this team-mates in other full seasons: Ayrton Senna: 61 David Coulthard: 36 Nigel Mansell: 40 Or in other words, Hill's team-mates scored about two and a half times as many points as Schumacher's team-mates did - but that's if anything slightly less than what you'd expect based on an average season's performance for Hill's team-mates, because Hill's team mates were two world champions and a guy who won 13 races, and Schumacher's team-mates were three guys who never quite lived up to their potential. I am not buying that the FW16 was definitely better than the B194. It was probably better than the B194 at the end of the season, but clearly not at the start of it where neither Hill nor Senna could reliably keep it on the track.
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The way I heard it is the FW16 was way worse, very nervous and the mid-season B car pretty much transformed it.
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Dudley posted:The way I heard it is the FW16 was way worse, very nervous and the mid-season B car pretty much transformed it. I think Prost more or less confirmed that the FW15C (which the 16 was an evolution of) was garbage and active suspension was the only thing holding it together.
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Dudley posted:The way I heard it is the FW16 was way worse, very nervous and the mid-season B car pretty much transformed it. The early one yes, this had largely been rectified after Imola, depending on if you believe Newey. Verstappen (who sucks) and Herbert (who doesn't) both said that the B194 was a very twitchy car, not to mention the power deficit that the Cosworth V8 had. Hill was not a match for Schumacher - at all, but he nearly won due to the car. As for the quality of the team-mates DC was unproven, and Mansell was old as poo poo. I don't believe the B194 was that great of a car.
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1500quidporsche posted:I think Prost more or less confirmed that the FW15C (which the 16 was an evolution of) was garbage and active suspension was the only thing holding it together. The FW15 pretty much relied on its bells and whistles to be fast, the FW16 was a direct evolution of its chassis and suddenly didn't have those.
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Rhopunzel posted:The FW15 pretty much relied on its bells and whistles to be fast, the FW16 was a direct evolution of its chassis and suddenly didn't have those. Its really astonishing how bad Newey is at designing cars when he can't use gimmicks.
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What have been the cars with major tech advances that were subsequently banned? The fan cars, the cars with active suspension? What other crazy poo poo haven't I seen?
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Alain Post posted:Damon was poo poo. Damon was pretty awesome, and his qualifying laps were sometimes awe inspiring.
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Norns posted:What have been the cars with major tech advances that were subsequently banned? I think McLaren had separate break pedals for each side of the car a few years back.
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Human Grand Prix posted:The early one yes, this had largely been rectified after Imola, depending on if you believe Newey. Verstappen (who sucks) and Herbert (who doesn't) both said that the B194 was a very twitchy car, not to mention the power deficit that the Cosworth V8 had. Hill was not a match for Schumacher - at all, but he nearly won due to the car. As for the quality of the team-mates DC was unproven, and Mansell was old as poo poo. I don't believe the B194 was that great of a car. Hill was only in the hunt because the FIA removed Schumacher from a full quarter of the season for bullshit "we feel sorry for Williams" reasons. Certainly it was probably a better car at the end of the season and unquestionably the Renault was a nice unit though. Norns posted:What have been the cars with major tech advances that were subsequently banned? To be picky, the fan car wasn't banned, at least not during the season it raced anyway. Ground effect is the most obvious other batshit thing that came and went, along with crazy wings of various types from the tower wings of the late 60s to the X-Wings of the 90s.
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Dudley posted:Hill was only in the hunt because the FIA removed Schumacher from a full quarter of the season for bullshit "we feel sorry for Williams" reasons. Certainly it was probably a better car at the end of the season and unquestionably the Renault was a nice unit though. Absolutely. I tried to like Damon, I really did. But when the FIA started pulling all that crap I couldn't help but want Schumacher to win.
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Norns posted:What have been the cars with major tech advances that were subsequently banned? ABS, Traction Control, CVT Transmissions, 4-Wheel Steering, Reactive Suspensions. The CVT was banned before it raced, 4WS was banned but I've read many conflicting things about it's effectiveness. ABS and TC were godsends, and I'm always bewildered when people say ABS and Traction control are useless. 1500quidporsche posted:Its really astonishing how bad Newey is at designing cars when he can't use gimmicks. I don't agree; even his non-gimmicky designs have always been pretty good. Aside from the 1989 and 1990 March/Leyton House cars, I guess. Human Grand Prix fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Feb 20, 2015 |
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