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Boon posted:There's occasional talk of Star Wars: X-Wing in here, but has anyone ever discussed Star Wars: Armada? It gets occasional mention in the X-Wing thread. Nobody is really sure when it's supposed to be out, though. Initial predictions were Q1, this year...but FFG seems to have a way of missing those completely. They're also releasing a new faction for X-Wing (Scum and Villainy) next week, so that's probably having an effect somewhere along the line.
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Master Twig posted:Even though I'm not going to play in them this year, I decided to look through the FAQs for the LVO and Adepticon. It seems both are adopting the rule that tyrannocites can only fire their guns in 45 degree arcs. My local GT judge decided that the Sporocyst had to use the 45 degree arcs but the Tyrannocyte could fire all five at the same target, the argument being that the Tyrannocyte is mobile and spins around. I'm only bringing one to the non-tourney games on Friday, but I'm glad he ruled that way.
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I don't understand why there's a decision being made at all. There's no ambiguity to be had.
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PierreTheMime posted:My local GT judge decided that the Sporocyst had to use the 45 degree arcs but the Tyrannocyte could fire all five at the same target, the argument being that the Tyrannocyte is mobile and spins around. I'm only bringing one to the non-tourney games on Friday, but I'm glad he ruled that way. Well, thank god they decided to power down the overpowered sporocyst. You know what I expect to see at adepticon this year? 3 sporocyst lists. Worse than those loving knights.
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Feb 21, 2015 02:18
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The rule says that you have to measure LOS from each gun, and that you can fire each gun at a separate target. That's enough for me to say it supercedes the normal shooting rules. It's like the argument that the Obelisk has no effect on FMCs even though it explicitly says that it does.
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MasterSlowPoke posted:The rule says that you have to measure LOS from each gun, and that you can fire each gun at a separate target. That's enough for me to say it supercedes the normal shooting rules. But the rules also specifically say that los is never blocked by the firing model. And even if it did, they would have about 200 degrees of vision, not 45.
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Feb 21, 2015 02:34
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Master Twig posted:But the rules also specifically say that los is never blocked by the firing model. And even if it did, they would have about 200 degrees of vision, not 45. That sounds pretty cut and dry to me.
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I always like Adepticon's FAQ better LVO and Adepticon mostly match but there are always a few things where it's like "No we're not adopting that". Unfortunately Adepticon is going with that interpretation as well. Yes, I know that they have the same people that contribute but there's always like one or two things that are completely different. Hollismason fucked around with this message at 02:48 on Feb 21, 2015 |
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Feb 21, 2015 02:46
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Hollismason posted:I always like Adepticon's FAQ better LVO and Adepticon mostly match but there are always a few things where it's like "No we're not adopting that". Unfortunately Adepticon is going with that interpretation as well. I don't even consider it an interpretation. It's flat out changing the rules. As a tournament director, that's their right. I'm not going to skip a tournament because of it, but I still think it's dumb.
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I agree it's kind of dumb and makes no sense.
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Master Twig posted:But the rules also specifically say that los is never blocked by the firing model. And even if it did, they would have about 200 degrees of vision, not 45. What's the point of the rule saying that the guns can shoot different targets, then, if they'll all be shooting at the closest target regardless? I'll agree that it should be 72 degrees, minimum, and probably closer to 180 (I've not seen the model in person).
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MasterSlowPoke posted:What's the point of the rule saying that the guns can shoot different targets, then, if they'll all be shooting at the closest target regardless? The model is quite large. Put down between different squads it's quite easy for different guns to have different targets. It'll usually be a 2-3 split, but it works. I can post an overhead shot of one when I get home later. But yeah, put on one enemy flank, all five guns can be closest to one unit. With the adepticon and LVO ruling, you're taking 80% of their fire power away. For a model that cannot charge, that's significant.
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But if you are going to follow the normal rules for MCs, then the positions of the guns doesn't matter. They'll all fire at the nearest target to the model. Why only disregard one part of the rule?
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Yea I think the big issue is that the model itself doesn't really have a "facing", so that is what makes people so weirded out about it but I felt it was pretty straight forward.
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Shoot Deathspitter A at target unit A (closest unit to any point of the model's base) Does it remain? If yes, shoot Deathspitter B at Target A If no, shoot Deathspitter B at target B (next closest unit to any point of the model's base) So on and so forth.
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Feb 21, 2015 06:14
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Didnt it say in the WD measure from each gun.
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It was in a side-blurb editor's note thing, not in the actual rules of the model.
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It's the same problem that you have with the Necron's Obelisk that loving thing has "Tesla Spheres" , but if you interpret it literally like it's hullmounted from the point of the gun it has like a 20 inch dead zone that it can't fire at. Vehicle, and Firing arcs, and just LOS in general is kind of poo poo and has been for a while.
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There are no vehicles or firing arcs involved. e: well, I guess you can call 360 degrees a firing arc, but still.
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Yeah , it's a weird interpretation and just like wrong. Ugh I got drunk last night and bid on a bunch of Harlequins on Ebay , I don't regret the decision but my wallet does. Not to thrilled about buying Voidweavers as they seem a just poo poo unit, but the rest of the army's great.
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On the subject of poorly written Tyranid rules - does the Leviathan perk let you re-roll the IB Ld test roll or the roll on the IB table? quote:Adapted Instincts: You can re-roll the Instinctive Behaviour roll for any unit in this detachment.
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I would imagine the latter, but hey, re-roll them both and dare anyone to prove you wrong!
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The latter for sure.
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Good Luck to all the players at LVO! I'm going ahead and calling JY2s from Dakkas Fluffkiller or Pennytyrant list as the number 1.
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I know Naramyth is there. I hope he's kicking some rear end. Two local buddies of mine are also there and I have seen posted on facebook that they are both 3-0.
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REAL MUSCLE MILK posted:I would imagine the latter, but hey, re-roll them both and dare anyone to prove you wrong! ghetto wormhole posted:The latter for sure. I think that's the intention and is how I'm going to play it, but the Tyranid Codex doesn't say which of the two is the actual IB Roll. The leadership test is taken due to the Instinctive Behaviour rule, and the Instinctive Behaviour Table is a consequence of failing that roll. 
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I'm pretty sure Abusepuppy is there as well. The Only thing I've heard is that someone posted that a 13 year old is kicking rear end an taking names in the tournament. Hollismason fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Feb 21, 2015 |
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Hollismason posted:I'm pretty sure Abusepuppy is there as well. Yep, literally just read this http://www.3plusplus.net/2015/02/what-happens-in-the-dark-future-of-only-war-2/ before I came here.
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Master Twig posted:I know Naramyth is there. I hope he's kicking some rear end. Two local buddies of mine are also there and I have seen posted on facebook that they are both 3-0. Is his name Brandon Grant? He's undefeated with DA/IG, and I think that's Naramyth's list, and I can't imagine there are too many of them.
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MasterSlowPoke posted:Is his name Brandon Grant? He's undefeated with DA/IG, and I think that's Naramyth's list, and I can't imagine there are too many of them. What's his list look like?
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Speaking of army lists, what does everyone think about this optional 30k FOC:quote:'Onslaught' Ever since one of you guys mentioned it I've been thinking if its good or not. In my mind it mitigates one of the biggest problems with legion armies while reinforcing one of the strengths- expensive mandatory troops and economical heavy support/elite units. It favors a few kinds of lists since you'll be going second all the time, but I'm liking it more and more. What do you tactical goons think?
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No RoW is a big hit, IMO.
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Seizing is quite possibly the worst mechanic 
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What's the preferred Leman Russ Exterminator loadout?
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WAR FOOT posted:Seizing is quite possibly the worst mechanic It's pretty bad. It's basically a 1-in-6 chance of creating a "feel bad" moment for the opponent, who gets to set up first and go second. VVV it takes what is a semi-interesting tactical decision--go first or deploy last--and makes it nearly a no-brainer, especially if you have an ability that improves your chances of seizing. TheChirurgeon fucked around with this message at 03:54 on Feb 22, 2015 |
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I'm pretty cool with it. Counters the whole first turn dice roll thing a bit.
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Apparently a Ork player is sitting at the top of the pack with a Greentide list from what I understand, which is reallly loving cool.
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Boon posted:I'm pretty cool with it. Counters the whole first turn dice roll thing a bit. There are probably better ways of compensating for it though. As it is, it's just another nugget of diceroll variance.
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BULBASAUR posted:Speaking of army lists, what does everyone think about this optional 30k FOC: I've been feeling the same since i realized it exists, but theres all of 4 30k players in the state so I havnt had a chance to try it out. Hencoe fucked around with this message at 04:15 on Feb 22, 2015 |
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Hollismason posted:Apparently a Ork player is sitting at the top of the pack with a Greentide list from what I understand, which is reallly loving cool. That's one of the buddies of mine I think. He posted he was still undefeated, and I know he was running orks. My nids beat him in a practice match. 
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