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echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
I use a 40" TV as my monitor, that's unlikely to be a problem

I rock a Intuos Pen and Touch small. About as small and budget as it gets. I love it though, now that I am used to it. A medium would probably be IDEAL but welp, money etc, have no real use case for it.
I've got it working in Substance Painter pertty well. Used to using the button to rotate or translate and ordered a pack of 30 nibs from AliExpress for $8! Excellent

Anyway I have little artistic talent and rely 98% on the software, brushes, renderer and game engine to make my stuff like good. I doubt the small size is holding me back.

:smugmrgw:

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Skwee
Apr 29, 2010

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I've got a lovely tiny tablet that I've been trying to get used to (well I guess it isn't that lovely, it is just tiny,) but yeah the tiny work area makes it really difficult to do anything right, and it doesn't help that the plastic on plastic has way too little friction. I tried setting a piece of paper on top of the tablet to give more friction but now the plastic on paper has more friction than a pencil on paper, so it feels too rough. Anyone have any experience making the friction feel better?

The tablet is WACOM model CTE-440. This thing is seriously small, the active area is smaller than my hand. Got it years ago when I was in my teens, now I am thinking since I never used it maybe it would be a good idea to get a larger one to start out with rather than this tiny one.

squirrelzipper
Nov 2, 2011

KinkyJohn posted:

That video demonstration looks really laggy. Like brushstroke ... > line. brushstroke ... > line. brushstroke ... > line. To the point where it seems to be unusable. This thing would be great if they could sort that out though.

Trip report. Nope, not even for a rank hobbyist like me. Lag is too much when using anything beyond a 4px pencil, any width variation makes it close to unusable. Wish they'd gone with data over lightning/USB like display duet, that might've been usable.

Scathach
Apr 4, 2011

You know that thing where you sleep on your arm funny and when you wake up it's all numb? Yeah that's my whole world right now.


Am I the only one here using a Samsung Note? The thing has a Wacom tablet interface and the little pen it comes with is amazing... but it's not really advertised as having it. I'd suggest anyone buy a Note if you want portability.

turnways
Jun 22, 2004

Scathach posted:

Am I the only one here using a Samsung Note? The thing has a Wacom tablet interface and the little pen it comes with is amazing... but it's not really advertised as having it. I'd suggest anyone buy a Note if you want portability.

I have a Note 3 and it's a fantastic for sketching while in meetings and stuff. I hollowed out a full ink pen and wedged a spare stylus in it to create a custom full-size pen, since I found the stylus to be a little too small for me.

i am harry
Oct 14, 2003

Scathach posted:

Am I the only one here using a Samsung Note? The thing has a Wacom tablet interface and the little pen it comes with is amazing... but it's not really advertised as having it. I'd suggest anyone buy a Note if you want portability.

You know what when I first heard about them I was totally up for getting one but I sort of figured it lacked pressure sensitivity, which would kind of throw me off digital art.

Locus
Feb 28, 2004

But you were dead a thousand times. Hopeless encounters successfully won.
What app do you use for painting on an Android OS? I figured there were plenty for sketching, but how's the selection for more process-oriented finished stuff?

I'm tentatively planning on getting a used Surface Pro 2 in a year or so, just to act as a budget travel Cintiq, but I'm still open to ideas.

kefkafloyd
Jun 8, 2006

What really knocked me out
Was her cheap sunglasses
Has anyone acquired one of the new 27 inch Cintiqs yet? We're thinking of getting replacement monitors at work and I have the choice of getting either a new Cintiq or a 4K monitor.

Bored
Jul 26, 2007

Dude, ix-nay on the oice-vay.

kefkafloyd posted:

Has anyone acquired one of the new 27 inch Cintiqs yet? We're thinking of getting replacement monitors at work and I have the choice of getting either a new Cintiq or a 4K monitor.

Yeah. I wanna know about these too. Not that I can afford one, but they claim to have better color than the previous models. I'm pretty glad I canceled my order for the 13" since the colors weren't quite as promised.

Tardigrade
Jul 13, 2012

Half arthropod, half marshmallow, all cute.
I finally went and got myself a shiny new Wacom tablet, and since then I've been stuck. I don't feel like I can produce a work of art just yet, jumping from traditional art into this headfirst. What are some good exercises to familiarize oneself with the workings of the tablet and digital brushes?

And how tough is your average Intuos Pen and Touch? I've been handling it as if it's made of fine crystal.

RizieN
May 15, 2004

and it was still hot.
Personally I say gently caress the 4K and get the cintiq. I saw plenty of 4K at CES, and we have some 4K security cameras that we've been testing, and 4K is kind of stupid right now. Yea it looks good as gently caress from a proper distance, but when there's a shitload of action on screen it doesn't look so good (notice all 4K demos are slow-mo of nature & animals?), apparently you need a better processor to handle lots of changing frames (which is why people buy the 3D 4K TVs even if they don't want 3D). I'd give it time to get better and maybe generate some real content. Unless you have a legitimate need for 4K I'd totally get the Cintiq. But I've never had a cintiq and I'm so anxious waiting for the Companion 2...

Also at CES I saw that cintiq monitor, and it's loving gorgeous. I hate to tell someone to do something just because it's what I would do(and I have no need or desire for 4K)... but that's what I would do.

Locus
Feb 28, 2004

But you were dead a thousand times. Hopeless encounters successfully won.
I haven't tried a new/huge Cintiq, but I've heard both "This is great!" and "This is too big. I miss my older 21 inch Cintiq" from owners.

kefkafloyd
Jun 8, 2006

What really knocked me out
Was her cheap sunglasses

RizieN posted:

Personally I say gently caress the 4K and get the cintiq. I saw plenty of 4K at CES, and we have some 4K security cameras that we've been testing, and 4K is kind of stupid right now. Yea it looks good as gently caress from a proper distance, but when there's a shitload of action on screen it doesn't look so good (notice all 4K demos are slow-mo of nature & animals?), apparently you need a better processor to handle lots of changing frames (which is why people buy the 3D 4K TVs even if they don't want 3D). I'd give it time to get better and maybe generate some real content. Unless you have a legitimate need for 4K I'd totally get the Cintiq. But I've never had a cintiq and I'm so anxious waiting for the Companion 2...

Also at CES I saw that cintiq monitor, and it's loving gorgeous. I hate to tell someone to do something just because it's what I would do(and I have no need or desire for 4K)... but that's what I would do.

Note that this was one of the 27 inch 4K monitors that I would use as a retina monitor on a Mac. Also, I'm used to using a 21 inch DTK Cintiq at home, so I'm more concerned with how the parallax is, as well as the color and the expresskeys on a remote instead of on a side.

kefkafloyd fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Feb 4, 2015

RizieN
May 15, 2004

and it was still hot.
In that case I've no advice, sorry!

Scathach
Apr 4, 2011

You know that thing where you sleep on your arm funny and when you wake up it's all numb? Yeah that's my whole world right now.


i am harry posted:

You know what when I first heard about them I was totally up for getting one but I sort of figured it lacked pressure sensitivity, which would kind of throw me off digital art.

It's got 1000 different degrees of pressure, so you can get a huge difference in line thickness and opacity depending on how light or heavy you draw. I've had a lot of good luck with it and the Sketchbook Pro program. My only complaint is a lack of customizable brushes with the current programs... I bought Cloverpaint but I haven't given it a try yet.

turnways posted:

I have a Note 3 and it's a fantastic for sketching while in meetings and stuff. I hollowed out a full ink pen and wedged a spare stylus in it to create a custom full-size pen, since I found the stylus to be a little too small for me.

I found the styluses too small too... my husband had one of those old Toshiba Wacom laptops lying around and the stylus for that is amazing.

windex
Aug 2, 2006

One thing living in Japan does is cement the fact that ignoring the opinions of others is a perfectly valid life strategy.
I'll add to this thread.

I have a Cintiq 24HD Touch.

It is easily the single greatest financial investment I have made in my own art skills.

I had none last May when I bought it and wanted to change that, but had used regular wacoms in the past and found the detachment from the screen to be a huge turn-off.

This is going to sound like an advertisement but I am trying to explain how happy I have been with my setup.

Primarily because I can now draw things I'm content with.

The single biggest driver in improvement though was abandoning the Adobe CC line in favor of Clip Studio for drawing art: http://www.clipstudio.net/en/

Wacom bundles this with the Cintiq line in packages on their site in Japan (I live in Tokyo) at least, but I didn't really pay attention and kind of plugged away at illustrator/photoshop in a futile way.

But, the thing is.. with Clip Studio, your hand does not influence the canvas, it rotates, pans, and zooms it like paper, can be used to select tools, etc. The pen is the only thing that makes marks. It's incredibly natural and much better than the behavior I was getting out of photoshop or illustrator.

Clip Studio is also compatible with the Android Cintiq Companion's Manga Canvas app so if you have another $1k burning a hole in your pocket (which I don't quite yet...) you can do your storyboarding on the go and then your finishing work on the big Cintiq (or the Companion plugged into your PC).

The only downside with the 24HD is that I had to buy another desk to put it on next to my PC.

Also regarding the 27" Cintiq, I used one, and I don't like it. The glass screen lacks the drawing texture of the 24HD and the lack of buttons and their replacement with the remote means 1) fewer buttons and 2) more things to drop and break.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph
Anybody here familiar with manga studio 5's ram usage? When I graduate I want to sell my macbook and get a surface pro (not sure about 2 or 3 yet) and I don't know how much ram I'll need. My macbook with 4 gigs chugs when I have large canvases open in photoshop so i feel like I'd want more than that, but the pro 2 doesn't have an option with 8 gigs and the pro 3 is a $300 step up in price to go from 4 to 8.

Dr. Derek
Jan 1, 2010

Faster than a dead horse falling through orbit

Wowporn posted:

Anybody here familiar with manga studio 5's ram usage? When I graduate I want to sell my macbook and get a surface pro (not sure about 2 or 3 yet) and I don't know how much ram I'll need. My macbook with 4 gigs chugs when I have large canvases open in photoshop so i feel like I'd want more than that, but the pro 2 doesn't have an option with 8 gigs and the pro 3 is a $300 step up in price to go from 4 to 8.

The surface pro 2 units that have 256GB and 512GB SSDs come with 8GB ram.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph

Dr. Derek posted:

The surface pro 2 units that have 256GB and 512GB SSDs come with 8GB ram.

Whadya know, I was only looking at the 128gb version. For $730 that seems like the best option unless there's something remarkably bad about the 2 that makes the same version of the 3 worth the extra $500 (i know the screen is slighly longer/higher res and I don't especially care since 1080 seems great for a loving 10.5" screen).

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice
Anyone else using their cintiq for math homework?



Think of all the graph paper I save long term. :smug:

For a short time I brought it to class to take notes but drat, that was a 30 minute investment of arriving early to set up while being extremely heavy with the 12" cintiq I have. NOT PORTABLE AT ALL. Wires the eye can see.

neonnoodle
Mar 20, 2008

by exmarx
You might want to look into a Surface or other Windows based tablet, OneNote has a lot of features for people doing math. Like it can translate math handwriting to pretty equations, and it can do calculus.

Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

by vyelkin
Nap Ghost
I use Paint tool Sai. Is there a mod I can install that helps eliminate the little hooks on the end of my strokes?

cloudy
Jul 3, 2007

Alive to the universe; dead to the world.

neonnoodle posted:

You might want to look into a Surface or other Windows based tablet, OneNote has a lot of features for people doing math. Like it can translate math handwriting to pretty equations, and it can do calculus.

I never used OneNote before I got my SP3. Now I use it for everything. Love it. And the fact that it can be backed up online and synced to your phone (for stuff like shopping lists).

cloudy fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Feb 23, 2015

the_lion
Jun 8, 2010

On the hunt for prey... :D
My Pro 2 had hardware issues, and got replaced with a Pro 3. Very happy.

However, using the Surface App to modify the N-Trig pen pressure to get it right requires you to change your login to a Microsoft account to install it from the Windows store.

Is there a way around that? Don't really want my login being my Microsoft account really.
I tried the App once, but it also doesn't appear to pick up the pen for me.

neonnoodle
Mar 20, 2008

by exmarx

the_lion posted:

My Pro 2 had hardware issues, and got replaced with a Pro 3. Very happy.

However, using the Surface App to modify the N-Trig pen pressure to get it right requires you to change your login to a Microsoft account to install it from the Windows store.

Is there a way around that? Don't really want my login being my Microsoft account really.
I tried the App once, but it also doesn't appear to pick up the pen for me.

Microsoft is moving toward using the MS login for everything, not much you can do there.

NRVNQSR
Mar 1, 2009

the_lion posted:

Is there a way around that? Don't really want my login being my Microsoft account really.

I managed it somehow. I think if you say "no" in the right way you should be able to get it to let you sign into just the Store app while still using a Local Account on the device. (You'll still need to use a MS account, but it doesn't need to be your login on the Surface.)

Arthil
Feb 17, 2012

A Beard of Constant Sorrow
I think this would be the right place to ask! I'm wondering what I should look at in terms of my first tablet, it will be mainly used in photoshop and illustrator. Does the fact that I have big hands make much of a difference, as well?

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


e: Eh, screw it, I've had a good long look at MS5's pen settings and I think I'm getting it set up pretty well, so I'll keep on playing with it instead of posting stupid gripes here. The lesson here is to always experiment long and hard.

Doctor_Fruitbat fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Feb 26, 2015

Xabi
Jan 21, 2006

Inventor of the Marmite pasty
How can I make suring a nicer experience with a Wacom pen on a Mac with Safari? I can scroll by using one of the buttons on the pen, but I'd like a nice way (swiping?) to go back and forth in Safari. I'm pretty sure it used to work flawlessly on a PC.


e: I'd also like it if I could make the current scrolling move faster. Is there any hope?

Xabi fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Feb 26, 2015

mutata
Mar 1, 2003

Just bought a Yiynova MSP19U+, ask me anything.

Frown Town
Sep 10, 2009

does not even lift
SWAG SWAG SWAG YOLO

kefkafloyd posted:

Has anyone acquired one of the new 27 inch Cintiqs yet? We're thinking of getting replacement monitors at work and I have the choice of getting either a new Cintiq or a 4K monitor.

I actually just bought a 27QHD recently, which replaces a 24HD I sold to a coworker. My reasoning was the 40lb+ difference - the 27 weighs ~20lbs, and the 24 weighs like 68 or something.. 90ish in the box. My 24HD was a bit cursed, though, and got sent back to Wacom two times (once for a crazy blue line that developed through the center vertically, and the next for the dust that was under the screen and causing white blurry spots/shadows in the screen). Incidentally, Wacom makes you pay for shipping there if something can be fixed under warranty. That's really expensive, somewhere in the $100s, to ship a defective unit back. It's not an easy thing to transport (and a bunch of life changes had me moving that thing up and down stairs and 1700 miles away), and having some bad feelings towards the 24, I decided to upgrade.

I love how it looks. The colors are really nice, and there are SO many pixels. I can see a huge portion of my canvas, and feel comfortable having all the Photoshop UI on the sides. Because the screen is so light, I'm able to stick it to an Ergotron arm and have a nice standing desk setup at home. The arm I got is half the price and weight of Wacom's ergo stand, and has more points of articulation. Really happy with it.



The gotchas are that if you're running a Mac, the Wacom drivers are poo poo. Their uninstall tool doesn't do an adequate job nuking files, so I had to do a lot of extra legwork (updating my OS X, restarting a ton, and nuking files from orbit finally got the drivers to install properly). The remote is really, really cool when it works. It will intermittently miss entire clicks and randomly will lag. I have no idea if it's a hardware or software issue, or a cable problem, but I'm running into a lot of issues with Wacom's quality control. And as mentioned, Wacom's warranty policies are kind of a pain. Their customer support is... slow. I can only speculate they're getting hammered with claims or something. It took four days for them to respond to a request about my drivers not installing correctly, only to have them tell me to call in. I tried calling, waited on hold for 18 minutes, and gave up after that.

Mine arrived with a green stuck pixel in the center/top of the screen - doesn't bug me too much and I can only see it in black. But it's under the 30 day guarantee from B&H so I'm hoping I can negotiate something - unfortunately they're out of stock there again, but they have significantly better customer support than Wacom.

I'd recommend waiting for a bit on the purchase, at least until Wacom gets their poo poo together with drivers. I actually feel like you are more likely to receive a defective unit now than you were with a Cintiq bought years and years ago. I do not recommend paying $500 extra for the Touch, as their software is frequently underdeveloped to be supporting their awesome (albeit poorly quality controlled) hardware. Touch functionality might be kind of janky if their software's no bueno.

This isn't the hugest possible step up from the 24HD, especially if you were sold on the stand, but Wacom lowered the entry point for the largest display significantly. (IIRC the 24 was $2700 to begin with, and the 27 intro-ed at $2300) The stock 27 comes with solid feet-things, but they're not incredibly ergonomic, and you won't be able to raise your Cintiq past like... 30º. A monitor arm is cheaper and more articulate than their stand, anyways, and will free up some clutter from the desk. But for me, my biggest issue is weight, and I think I made the right choice in upgrading for my personal concerns. I'm hoping B&H comes through though, really unhappy that there's a dead pixel in such an expensive display. But I've historically had laughably bad luck with Wacom products (so many of my things have just gone to poo poo, have had dead pixels, cables fallen apart, mouses randomly destroyed, pens ripped open), so I think this particular issue is pretty minor. Still, I'd like to speak up and tell Wacom how terrible they are, it's just very difficult to contact a representative in any fashion.

kefkafloyd
Jun 8, 2006

What really knocked me out
Was her cheap sunglasses
The best way to get in front of a Wacom person is to go to a large photo show or comic convention. They always show up at NYCC and PhotoPlus expo. The Wacom reps that go to those probably know not to talk to me these days as I've given them an earful about a variety of problems whenever i see them.

Thanks for the big post on the 27 inch. As a fellow Cintiq user with an Ergotron (albeit a DTK-2100), I recommend drilling holes and bolting the arm into the desk if possible. Aside from better stability, I found I was able to get it positioned to maximize the range of motion of the arm. It's good to know that the 27 is light enough to use the ergo arms.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph

mutata posted:

Just bought a Yiynova MSP19U+, ask me anything.

Who has the better 19" budget cintiq knockoff yiyi or monoprice???

mutata
Mar 1, 2003

I've not used the mono, but the Yiy had better Amazon reviews!

the_lion
Jun 8, 2010

On the hunt for prey... :D

neonnoodle posted:

Microsoft is moving toward using the MS login for everything, not much you can do there.

NRVNQSR posted:

I managed it somehow. I think if you say "no" in the right way you should be able to get it to let you sign into just the Store app while still using a Local Account on the device. (You'll still need to use a MS account, but it doesn't need to be your login on the Surface.)

There's actually a really small option I didn't see the first time on the "switch to a microsoft login" screen which says something like "go ahead with local" (I forget the exact wording) but yep - it can be done!
They try to discourage you from doing it too.

Anyway, thanks a heap.

Arthil posted:

I think this would be the right place to ask! I'm wondering what I should look at in terms of my first tablet, it will be mainly used in photoshop and illustrator. Does the fact that I have big hands make much of a difference, as well?

It's down to style you like to work. I'm assuming you bought it to draw on.

Do you make large sweeping movements with your hands when drawing?
If yes, go with the bigger size.

If you work in really short strokes, go with the smaller sizes of wacom.
The differences in pressure probably between the models won't bother you until you outgrow the tablet in years to come and eventually buy a better tablet that is more shiny.

I started with one of the smallest tablets that they don't make any more (graphire 2), moved to an intuous 3 (the bigass one) and then switched to a Surface because I like drawing on screen. I found there was a disconnect between onscreen and me using a tablet. I never got used to it so drawing on screen works great and the intuos sits in a cupboard somewhere.


mutata posted:

Just bought a Yiynova MSP19U+, ask me anything.

I had considered this a while back. Maybe tell us about your setup?
Mac / Windows? What you're using it for?
Have you used other big type monitors before?
I remember Frenden said something about slightly wonky lines but that was ages back.
Drivers are probably better now.

I considered it because I wanted to have a sit down "do 2D animation" type setup somewhere so I don't get distracted by other things like email or the web.
I have read a lot of people get backache from these big cintiq type setups. My boss mentions it all the time.

neonnoodle
Mar 20, 2008

by exmarx
Honestly the only way that working at a cintiq has ever been comfortable for me has been when I made a makeshift standing desk for it. But unfortunately I moved and don't have the same furniture anymore. :(

Working on it at a seated position is awkward and gets painful after a while.

kefkafloyd
Jun 8, 2006

What really knocked me out
Was her cheap sunglasses
I would suggest looking at an Ergotron sit-stand arm. Frown Town's got one there on their 27HD. You can clamp it on to any desk or table and position the cintiq any way you want and use it standing up or sitting down.

I use the regular LX arm on the DTK21 and position it like a drawing board in my lap and I find working on it that way to be quite good.

mutata
Mar 1, 2003

the_lion posted:


I had considered this a while back. Maybe tell us about your setup?
Mac / Windows? What you're using it for?
Have you used other big type monitors before?
I remember Frenden said something about slightly wonky lines but that was ages back.
Drivers are probably better now.

I considered it because I wanted to have a sit down "do 2D animation" type setup somewhere so I don't get distracted by other things like email or the web.
I have read a lot of people get backache from these big cintiq type setups. My boss mentions it all the time.

I'm on Windows. I mainly use it for sketching/inking. Very little painting work. I've used Cintiqs enough to get a feel for them and I've used Intuous tablets a ton. I have it mounted on an Ergotron mount arm so I can stick it out of the way.

You can tell right away where they cut their costs. The resolution isn't as good, but I actually don't mind. Colors seem ok to me, but it could use a calibration. I keep my Navigator in photoshop open on one of my other monitors so I can check while I paint. The build quality isn't as good. The analogy I'd draw is like an Apple laptop versus an HP laptop or something. It's functional, it's fine, but you can tell the difference. My biggest gripe is that the actual drawing surface isn't as tactile or nice as on a Cintiq. The Yiy feels mostly like regular glass whereas the Cintiqs seem to have that nice coating on them. You get used to it though.

It's DEFINITELY the budget option and it feels like it, but once you're 15 minutes into working, you don't notice anything different. Frankly, most of the annoyance comes with the unboxing and setup experience. Again I'll draw Apple laptop comparisons here with Cintiqs. Everything is nicely packaged and the set up is relatively easy. With the Yiy, it was clunky and I had to wrestle with the drivers. Their setup wouldn't install unless I dragged the unzipped files into a folder in my Program Files folder and THEN it would run ok. I had to uninstall and reinstall a few times before it all seemed to work. Once I got it working, though, I was able to work for hours without any issues. Yeah, they don't compare to Cintiq's quality, but they don't try to. It's like a fourth of the price, so I was super happy once the drivers chunked into place, and I get to spend the $1500 I saved on something else.

Then again, I'm not using it all day every day like some people do. That might make a difference. The Yiy is the new compact budget car you drive everyday. If you're gonna drive 80 miles a day, maybe you want some more comfort features so maybe you buy the Lexus, but maybe you don't care and the Civic is fine. :iiaca:

neonnoodle
Mar 20, 2008

by exmarx

kefkafloyd posted:

I would suggest looking at an Ergotron sit-stand arm. Frown Town's got one there on their 27HD. You can clamp it on to any desk or table and position the cintiq any way you want and use it standing up or sitting down.

I use the regular LX arm on the DTK21 and position it like a drawing board in my lap and I find working on it that way to be quite good.

I have the LX arm but found it gets in the way of the bulge that sticks out the back of the unit. Maybe I should get the sit-stand arm instead... :confused:

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mutata
Mar 1, 2003

I think a good stand or arm is vital to working with these things. Being able to shift posture/position at will is really nice. The best all around position, though, is at a pretty steep angle, like a painting easel. That's the best you're gonna get. Anything else and you're hunching over like a mad scientist.

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