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Endless Mike posted:That is an idea that is way too Claremontian. Skwirl posted:hot down for being too loving weird. I can understand I probably took it the wrong way, though. Sorry.
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:Noh-varr is bi and Loki's sexual history is both complicated and available in all the best mythology books. That being said, I'd treat mythology as anecdotal unless referenced in a comic book. If you think comic continuity is bad, mythology is quite the kettle of eggs.
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Feb 21, 2015 01:57
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Alien Rope Burn posted:That being said, I'd treat mythology as anecdotal unless referenced in a comic book. If you think comic continuity is bad, mythology is quite the kettle of eggs. See, I'd agree with you if Marvel themselves didn't keep referencing said mythology.
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Feb 21, 2015 01:59
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Loki did just turn into a unicorn.
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Feb 21, 2015 02:00
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:Yeah, the whole "are Asgardians Gods?" question is one that Marvel has singularly failed to give a definitive answer to; there are stories that unequivocally say "they're Gods," there are others that clearly say "no, they're aliens," and there's no real need for Marvel to put their foot down one way or the other. I find it strange that the comics at the moment strongly prefer the mythic side of things while the movies prefer the sufficiently advanced technology side.
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Feb 21, 2015 02:01
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I assumed the movies going for the alien story was to avoid the risk of there being any backlash from the religious right in the US. I'm sure there's some of those people who would take the acknowledgement of any other god as anti-Christian.
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Dacap posted:I assumed the movies going for the alien story was to avoid the risk of there being any backlash from the religious right in the US. I'm sure there's some of those people who would take the acknowledgement of any other god as anti-Christian. I think the more likely option is they want a fairly uniform aesthetic across their properties. You've got a guy in a robot suit, two guys who were "scienced" into powers, two secret agents, their flying sci-fi doom fortress, and then the Norse God of Thunder. He fits better as super advanced technology, so they gave him a quantum physicist for his girlfriend, easing him away from theology and into science fiction in time for the crossover. Avengers has Captain America proclaiming Jesus as the One True God, so maybe there was some consideration for your thinking, but I'd bet it was more for the film's look.
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Feb 21, 2015 02:24
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Precambrian posted:I think the more likely option is they want a fairly uniform aesthetic across their properties. You've got a guy in a robot suit, two guys who were "scienced" into powers, two secret agents, their flying sci-fi doom fortress, and then the Norse God of Thunder. He fits better as super advanced technology, so they gave him a quantum physicist for his girlfriend, easing him away from theology and into science fiction in time for the crossover. I think also the choice to go with a very, very Kirby-esque aesthetic for Thor lent itself to the choice of using Kirby's preferred Ancient Aliens mythology; the Thor films owe quite a lot to Kirby, and it wouldn't surprise me if that was a factor in the decision as well.
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Feb 21, 2015 03:08
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I always liked Kirby's gods because you'd think gods would have all the best technology instead of living like it's the eternal middle ages. Latest issue of Thor kind of bothered me because Odin was using seeing stones or whatever to see Thor on Earth when I know he has space television that can even see into the past, and comes with a sweet sci-fi remote. Go check out the cover to Thor #162.
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Feb 21, 2015 03:48
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Dacap posted:I assumed the movies going for the alien story was to avoid the risk of there being any backlash from the religious right in the US. I'm sure there's some of those people who would take the acknowledgement of any other god as anti-Christian. Nah it just makes more sense. Norse gods (like most ancient gods, including YAWEH at times) don't really seem to actually be gods. Their power is extremely limited and they actually fit more into the superhero powerlevels than anything. So you just ignore the gods part so the audience isn't confused.
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Feb 21, 2015 03:54
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Lurdiak posted:It's still a little weird to imagine someone shapeshifting a dick out of nowhere just to experiment in the bedroom. Pfft and you call yourself a comic book fan.
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Feb 21, 2015 12:34
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What's the origin of the "Superman beating up Bizarro while crying" thing?
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Doctor Spaceman posted:What's the origin of the "Superman beating up Bizarro while crying" thing? SlimGoodbody made this post as a serious suggestion for who should be the bad guy if WB relaunched Superman (pre-Man of Steel) SlimGoodbody posted:On that note, I think Bizarro, while maybe not a good villain to carry a movie, could be a tragic and beautiful piece of plot for a Supes movie. Someone (maybe Luthor, yawn) attempts to clone a Superman they can control, or maybe reverse engineer Superman-like abilities with a few drops of his blood. They want to use it to discredit the original Supes and turn public opinion against him. Bizarro ends up breaking loose and rampaging. It such a hilarious bad idea for a film that it just stuck as an ongoing joke.
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Feb 21, 2015 15:39
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Wasn't that exactly the premise of the Bizarro episode of Superman the Animated Series?
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Feb 21, 2015 15:45
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There are plenty of Bizarro stories where he's just trying to help and causing more damage but they don't end with Superman crying as he beats him to death.
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Feb 21, 2015 15:46
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Phylodox posted:Wasn't that exactly the premise of the Bizarro episode of Superman the Animated Series? I know Bizarro being an attempted failed Superman clone by Luthor is his New 52 origin, don't know about the rest.
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Feb 21, 2015 18:44
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Phylodox posted:Wasn't that exactly the premise of the Bizarro episode of Superman the Animated Series? There's an episode where he tries to make a new Krypton or something. He even rescues a trimouthed alien dog (whose face looks like the eggsac openings from Alien) to be his Krypto. There's also suicidally depressed Bizarro in Moore's What Ever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow, where he uses White-K to kill himself because that's the ultimate bizarro thing to do.
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Feb 21, 2015 18:58
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Die Laughing posted:I always liked Kirby's gods because you'd think gods would have all the best technology instead of living like it's the eternal middle ages. Latest issue of Thor kind of bothered me because Odin was using seeing stones or whatever to see Thor on Earth when I know he has space television that can even see into the past, and comes with a sweet sci-fi remote. Go check out the cover to Thor #162. Asgard has been destroyed and resurrected several times since then, so maybe the space TV technology was lost.
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Feb 21, 2015 19:57
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drat, that's probably what happened to the Odinship, Odin's kick rear end spaceship he sent Thor in to chase Galactus, as well. And Odin's overly elaborate space viking armor.
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There was an article on Comics Oughta Be Fun! awhile back that just talked about all the crazy hats Kirby put on Odin. Never the same hat twice.Lurdiak posted:It's still a little weird to imagine someone shapeshifting a dick out of nowhere just to experiment in the bedroom. To me it's just that it makes her shapeshifting too good. Like, why doesn't she turn into Cyclops, get his eye beams, and straight murder some fools? Because in a setting where DNA is loving magic, she can't copy DNA. I will always be That Guy when it comes to X-men powers though, I love the weird limits that pop up because of Claremont logic. To my mind, it's the closest American comic to JJBA.
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Feb 22, 2015 00:05
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HitTheTargets posted:There was an article on Comics Oughta Be Fun! awhile back that just talked about all the crazy hats Kirby put on Odin. Never the same hat twice. Heh. Coincidentally, years ago I used to describe JJBA to people as "X-Men meets Wizard of Oz."
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HitTheTargets posted:There was an article on Comics Oughta Be Fun! awhile back that just talked about all the crazy hats Kirby put on Odin. Never the same hat twice. eye lasers and dicks aren't the same thing. E: said his tombstone
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No, he's right. Shapeshifting herself a dick is one thing. Actually being able to impregnate someone would be totally different and be pretty close to just being able to copy anyone else's powers.
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Feb 22, 2015 02:15
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perhaps it was a Melissa Etheridge/ David Crosby situation with Azazel
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Feb 22, 2015 02:19
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Beef Jerky Robot posted:perhaps it was a Melissa Etheridge/ David Crosby situation with Azazel BAMF through my window, I'll be home soon
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Feb 22, 2015 02:27
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Beef Jerky Robot posted:eye lasers and dicks aren't the same thing. I love that we live in a world where people think Mystique doing this is fine but fathering a child is too bizarre: 
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Feb 22, 2015 02:34
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:I love that we live in a world where people think Mystique doing this is fine but fathering a child is too bizarre: No, no, I'd be in the camp that says that growing two heads is too bizarre for "shapeshifter"
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Sir DonkeyPunch posted:BAMF through my window, I'll be home soon I'm sitting bored out of my mind and an awards banquet for my girlfriends job and I just scrolled to this and let out an very loud "HuhHaaa!" So yeah.
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Aphrodite posted:No, he's right. Shapeshifting herself a dick is one thing. Actually being able to impregnate someone would be totally different and be pretty close to just being able to copy anyone else's powers. I disagree, but we're going down the very dark path of Larry Niven, Jim Shooter, and Chris Claremont. Do we really want to debate the nitty-gritty of how superpowered sex works?
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:I love that we live in a world where people think Mystique doing this is fine but fathering a child is too bizarre:
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Feb 22, 2015 03:25
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Where is that from because okay with it or not, I'm intrigued by that.
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RandallODim posted:Where is that from because okay with it or not, I'm intrigued by that. Mystique had a solo series briefly; it's from that. Sean McKeever, I believe, wrote it.
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:Mystique had a solo series briefly; it's from that. Sean McKeever, I believe, wrote it. Not that briefly. There's two bigass trades of it. BKV had a run on it, too.
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Random Stranger posted:I disagree, but we're going down the very dark path of Larry Niven, Jim Shooter, and Chris Claremont. Do we really want to debate the nitty-gritty of how superpowered sex works? It has nothing to do with the sex itself. It's her power. At the time she could only change her outward appearance. She might be able to do it now because apparently she's been made stupidly overpowered as per usual, but she used to have limits.
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Aphrodite posted:It has nothing to do with the sex itself. It's her power. At the time she could only change her outward appearance. She might be able to do it now because apparently she's been made stupidly overpowered as per usual, but she used to have limits. Mystique not being Nightcrawler's dad has everything to do with the sex. Editorial didn't shoot it down because of power creep.
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Aphrodite posted:It has nothing to do with the sex itself. It's her power. At the time she could only change her outward appearance. She might be able to do it now because apparently she's been made stupidly overpowered as per usual, but she used to have limits. She doesn't have plastic skin, she actually shifts around a lot, adding and removing mass. Look at this way, can Mystique look like a person with one hand? If she can then she has to loose and regrow a fairly complex body part. If she can do a thing like that then selecting what genitals she wants is just as reasonable.
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This conversation is rapidly approaching "Is the Thing's dick orange rock?" levels of uncomfortable/stupid.
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I think we sailed past that point long ago.
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TwoPair posted:This conversation is rapidly approaching "Is the Thing's dick orange rock?" levels of uncomfortable/stupid. It got there a long time ago. Random Stranger posted:She doesn't have plastic skin, she actually shifts around a lot, adding and removing mass. Mystique can't gain or lose mass at will only shift the mass she has around. She can look Hulk big but not actually change her weight.
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Mystique can look at a dude and then shift her shape to look like him, talk like him, walk like him. She can defeat fingerprint scans, facial recognition, retinal scans. She doesn't have to sample the guy's DNA or anything, she just goes 'you know what, I want to be that guy now' and she is. And people are really getting hung up on the notion that some of that biology might be, y'know, functional? Seriously?
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