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VagueRant posted:The more I think about the last episode, the more I dislike it. I can't agree with this more about Deathstroke's motivation. It really seemed like a no brainer that Slade was acting the way he was about Shado because of the mirakuru. Wasn't the whole point of having Roy injected with the stuff a way to show the audience what mirakuru does to a control subject? Isn't it weird that Roy shows remorse and regret about the things he did whole under the mirakuru after he was cured, while Slade's personality was completely unaffected? Slade should have slowly gotten a grip on what he was doing after being cured, but instead we are expected to believe that his pining for Shado was so deep and powerful that the man we knew in season 1 has been radically transformed into this vengeful monster. It is all the more absurd that he would get all that worked up about a crush because doesn't Slade reference the fact that he has children, and thus a family, early in season 1? But man, those spontaneous-stranded-on-an-island crushes are some of the hardest to shake I guess. I suppose Shado's death and Oliver's role in it is what infuriates Slade, but his relationship with Shado was never developed as anything more than a crush. As a result, it falls flat when taken out of a mirakuru context. Her death's effect on Slade would have been a lot more justifiable had she been his wife or something. Perhaps the real hidden power of mirakuru is that it stops all character growth and development, even after the subject has been cured. Slade's appearance in the last episode felt like pure fan service, as if the writers were going, "look guys! It's Slade and he is bad rear end just like he was in the last season, remember? Well here he is, same old Slade!" Honestly his appearance felt gratuitous. The broadest possible caricature of Slade from the last season was basically copy pasted into the script and no additional character development is provided at all. Heck, the only remotely positive thing from his appearance, Thea's dilemma about whether to kill him, could have been accomplished by another character in Slade's place. All in all, a pretty bad episode. This season has really been dragging and I am hoping that the big reveal in tomorrow's episode reply gives the show a shot in the arm.
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Roy was under the effects of Mirakuru for a relatively short time while Slade was for years. I think its reasonable enough to assume that the extended exposure Slade experienced had greater degenerative affects. Slade might just not be able to bounce back because all those years of being crazy might have fried his brains. Not to mention all the trauma Slade experienced vs Roy. Slade most likely had PTSD on top of drug craziness. And, you know, Slade wasn't exactly Mr. Rogers before the drugs.
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^^^  I still find it silly when people compare Slade's 5 year trip to crazy town with Roy's scant few months. Who knows if Roy would be sane after the same length of time. It's not like that poo poo went through FDA clinical trials.
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STAC Goat posted:Roy was under the effects of Mirakuru for a relatively short time while Slade was for years. I think its reasonable enough to assume that the extended exposure Slade experienced had greater degenerative affects. Slade might just not be able to bounce back because all those years of being crazy might have fried his brains. This is a better explanation that I hadn't thought of and quite like. However, I still think it would have been much more effective for Shado and Slade to have had SOMETHING together on screen. His motivation would have been on solid footing if it had both an actual, demonstrable emotional loss that wasn't fabricated out of whole cloth as well as a schizophrenia inducing super drug. That said, I stand by my assertion that Slade's appearance in the last episode was very weak and fan service oriented.
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Plus, Oliver sent him to no-lunch solitary confinement on the island where most of the worst things in Slade's life occurred. Generally, people resent the ones that imprison them. And the 'he should be more lucid' stuff happened anyway. The conversation at the end about Thea was drat near civil.
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MooselanderII posted:fan service oriented No poo poo Sherlock, that was the whole point of the episode.
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Gaz-L posted:Plus, Oliver sent him to no-lunch solitary confinement on the island where most of the worst things in Slade's life occurred. Generally, people resent the ones that imprison them. It would have been a heck of a lot more interesting if Slade's imprisonment was the focus of his anger this episode instead of playing second fiddle to the same old obsession.
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MooselanderII posted:This is a better explanation that I hadn't thought of and quite like. However, I still think it would have been much more effective for Shado and Slade to have had SOMETHING together on screen. His motivation would have been on solid footing if it had both an actual, demonstrable emotional loss that wasn't fabricated out of whole cloth as well as a schizophrenia inducing super drug. I don't really see what's wrong with the story simply being "Slade snapped." Blaming Oliver was always unfair and his crush on Shado was always clearly one sided and a little unhealthy. Maybe years on that island, fighting for his life, killing his best friend, and God knows what else he experienced just broke him? His revenge isn't supposed to be grounded in reality. Oliver didn't kill Shado. But Slade's crazy and heartbroken and Oliver's got enough self loathing that he does kind of blame himself for Shado's death making it hurt. But it was never really his fault and Slade was the bad guy. But, you know, the mirakuru pushed him there so we can still hold onto the guy we liked in S1. He's just a victim of comic book madness.
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It will be a tragedy when Manu Bennett doesn't get the Deathstroke role for the Suicide Squad movie.
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Gaz-L posted:He should've made a quip when he did it. "Hope you don't have vertigo..."
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Feb 25, 2015 05:53
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Amell's just confirmed that Arrow will be on break after this week's episode.
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Feb 25, 2015 06:11
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Watching the pilot to see if Amell's voice stuff is true and holy crap it is quite a bit higher. He changed his voice so gradually I didn't notice.
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Scyantific posted:BTW, the same guy who plays Zsaz in Gotham was also villain of the week #3 in The Flash. Glad to know he's killing it ( When you look like that guy does what the gently caress else are you going to play other than comic book villains?
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Didn't Slade say something about if Oliver had told him the truth about what happened to Shado a lot of the crazy poo poo he did would've been avoided?
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Yeah but Slade is Rasputin/10 crazy.
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Heh, as soon as Dig says not to speak to him, Merlyn calls him Dig 
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Wow, Thea...brutal honesty.
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Now I know why Oliver never tells Thea anything. She tells everyone else!
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Thea cutting through the bullshit.
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Meanwhile, Laurel was all like KILL ROY!
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Laurel took that surprisingly well
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Laurel you saw Smilin' Sara's ghost like two weeks ago. You should remember this.
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So much for those power rankings.
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I'm so glad thea and Laurel are taking this well and calling Ollie on his bullshit
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Xtanstic posted:I'm so glad thea and Laurel are taking this well and calling Ollie on his bullshit No kidding. Hopefully it'll be a hard lesson in 'stop being a dick to your friends, dick'
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Ollie is well meaning but basically wrong about everything, is kind of his schtick. I got in season 4 they introduce Apache Chief and Ollie sleeps with his wife.
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greatn posted:Ollie is well meaning but basically wrong about everything, is kind of his schtick. And I never get tired of it...
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greatn posted:Ollie is well meaning but basically wrong about everything, is kind of his schtick. This is true.
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Xtanstic posted:drat you Ollie just let Barrowman die But Ollie has a point here, Meryln will give up Thea at some point and then what?
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Mooseontheloose posted:But Ollie has a point here, Meryln will give up Thea at some point and then what? His point was that Thea would be sad that Merlyn is dead...or something.
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Man, Oliver's gone off the deep end  e: Ha, Laurel's face when Felicity mentions Lian Yu
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Oh good I thought we were gonna get yet another of the same exact scene Ray and Felicity always have but that was pretty nice.
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Felicity is basically better with anyone OTHER than Ollie.
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This is the dumbest Oliver has ever been. There is no indication from anyone except Merlyn that Thea would be targeted by the League.
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PaganGoatPants posted:His point was that Thea would be sad that Merlyn is dead...or something. He's not entirely wrong, I mean sending your father off to his death is kind of hosed up.
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