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ThatPazuzu
Sep 8, 2011

I'm so depressed, I can't even blink.

WarpedNaba posted:

Wait, are hoop earrings just those big rings? I thought they were those grotesque items that stretched out your earlobes into some odd meaty doughnut creature.

Those are gauges, grandpa.

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JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver
One of the games I like to play when I see a profoundly stupid cartoon is to try and figure out where the cartoonist is A: an idiot, B: a dick, C: ignorant, or D: a shill. Each type produces subtly different cartoons.


Idiot. Gobbles up the party line, refuses any data that goes against it. True believers.


Dick. More interested in tweaking the nose of those they disagree with than promoting their own agenda or appearing factual.


Ignorant. Low-information political cartoonist, may not eagerly seek out information from select sources like the Idiot but will still often pass on misinformation.


Shill. Knows better, but makes cartoons with bad opinions because it's a moneymaker.

There's combinations of the two, of course. Branco is both an idiot and a shill, for instance.

JT Jag fucked around with this message at 23:09 on Feb 25, 2015

Ralepozozaxe
Sep 6, 2010

A Veritable Smorgasbord!

Post 9-11 User posted:

It references a scene in Birdman where the character gets his robe stuck in a door. He's locked outside of the backstage area, also implies that he's over the hill just like the main character. Surprisingly in-depth for a cartoonist that is drawing Kerry to look more like Dracula or Leslie Nielsen ... oh wait!




After performing eighty hours of research, here is a comprehensive list of things that DHS does to prevent attacks against places such as the Mall Of America: (bonus, it's also a list of foiled terror plots!)

You never expect the enemy that's hiding under your hat. Or, in this case, is our hat. I'm watching you Canada.

Evrart Claire
Jan 11, 2008

fade5 posted:

Are you not aware that ISIL beheaded 21 Coptic Christians a week or two ago, or that they kidnapped at least 150 (maybe even 285) Assyrian Christians on Monday and are holding them hostage with plans to either kill them or trade them as hostages?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-31622883

Also that ISIL did these things specifically because those people were Christian? (Actually it's partly because ISIL is pissed they're getting their asses kicked by US airstrikes and the YPG/YPJ in Syria, and that the Kurds are advancing against ISIL in Hasakah province and encircling the ISIL-held town of Tall Hamis.)

E:

(Red is Syrian army, yellow are Kurds, grey is ISIL)
Look at the northeast of Syria, where Kurdish forces have encircled Tall Hamis. That's the same area the kidnappings happened in. What's a better way to create a diversion/buy ISIL forces some time than to kidnap some innocent people and force the Kurds/local Assyrian militia forces to go rescue them? Well, assuming you're completely amoral assholes like ISIL are.

Western media has had a tendency to only talk about ISIS victims when they're Christian, which fuels a perception among a lot of people that ISIS is exclusively targetting Christians, or at the very least non-Muslims. (Which is actually pretty beneficial to ISIS and another instance of Western media, especially conservative media, buying fully into the message their enemies want them to buy into.)

Duckbox
Sep 7, 2007

JT Jag posted:


Dick. More interested in tweaking the nose of those they disagree with than promoting their own agenda or appearing factual.

I've always liked this cartoon and I thought the "agenda" was pretty obvious, actually. Protracted wars and endless re-deployments have taken an immense toll on our military personnel and the madness has to stop. I don't know, maybe it's not that good, but I still question your methodology good sir.

Cloud Potato
Jan 9, 2011

"I'm... happy!"
:britain:

Guardian:

"Martin Rowson on MPs' outside earnings – Ed Miliband has accused David Cameron of failing to live up to ‘big’ commitments in opposition about limiting the outside earnings of MPs"

Telegraph:

Never mind that it was the Green's leader who had the 'brain fade' interview. Ed Miliband! Boogity-boogity-boogity!!

Independent:

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver

Duckbag posted:

I've always liked this cartoon and I thought the "agenda" was pretty obvious, actually. Protracted wars and endless re-deployments have taken an immense toll on our military personnel and the madness has to stop. I don't know, maybe it's not that good, but I still question your methodology good sir.
That was Priggee's cartoon in the OP, it's not the best example of a dick cartoon but Priggee is certainly a dick cartoonist, even if he's a liberal version.

Just pretend it's the "friend of the family 2 - RACISTS 0" one instead.

BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

Rorus Raz posted:

I love the net neutrality cartoons. They show without a shred of doubt which cartoonists just hate poo poo because Obama supports it, and don't even bother to do a second of research.

Apple Pie Hubbub
Feb 14, 2012

Take that, you greedy jerk!
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vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Obama remains extremely popular in Canada and could probably be elected Prime Minister here once he's done in 2016. AGC.

Duckbox
Sep 7, 2007

JT Jag posted:

That was Priggee's cartoon in the OP, it's not the best example of a dick cartoon but Priggee is certainly a dick cartoonist, even if he's a liberal version.

Just pretend it's the "friend of the family 2 - RACISTS 0" one instead.

Yeah, Priggee can definitely be, ahem, a bit of a prig. Your example coulda been better though. Also, I'm not sure about your classification of Ramirez up there. Given his (and IBD in general's) established role as mouthpiece for the money wing of the Republican Party, I think he fits the "shill" category better. He's just not quite as blatant about it as Payne and Branco. I think someone like Lester or the McCoys would fit your idiot category a little better.

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo


We need a emote for "What difference does it make?" because it's going to be the GOLF GOLF GOLF of 2015 and 2016 when Hillary announces.

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver

Duckbag posted:

Yeah, Priggee can definitely be, ahem, a bit of a prig. Your example coulda been better though. Also, I'm not sure about your classification of Ramirez up there. Given his (and IBD in general's) established role as mouthpiece for the money wing of the Republican Party, I think he fits the "shill" category better. He's just not quite as blatant about it as Payne and Branco. I think someone like Lester or the McCoys would fit your idiot category a little better.
Ramirez is a partial shill, but don't get confused about him, he's an absolute true believe who only speaks the Fox News liturgy and has no time for opposing views, and a hateful idiotic blowhard.

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003

Pillbug

Venom Snake posted:



We need a emote for "What difference does it make?" because it's going to be the GOLF GOLF GOLF of 2015 and 2016 when Hillary announces.
She's wearing Arab men's clothes...? Does that mean something?

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Samurai Sanders posted:

She's wearing Arab men's clothes...? Does that mean something?

The Evil Muslim Hordes are trying to get her elected in a devious plot to destroy America.

Pththya-lyi
Nov 8, 2009

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2020

Samurai Sanders posted:

She's wearing Arab men's clothes...? Does that mean something?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNzrem4U298

prinnylaharl
Feb 10, 2013

The only loving reason I knew this was supposed to be Hillary is because of the quote. I understand Ramirez is awful but how can he possibly think this is at all recognizable?

Coatlicue
Sep 14, 2012

it doesn't matter
how fast or how far,
you're still runnin' like a fool

MOP

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

Samurai Sanders posted:

She's wearing Arab men's clothes...? Does that mean something?

I think it means Ramirez is a hack.

Pththya-lyi
Nov 8, 2009

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2020

What is princess? Why everybody I know have to talk in Sorkin-esque jargon? Why we never talk in plain English? Bozhe moi!

Jurgan
May 8, 2007

Just pour it directly into your gaping mouth-hole you decadent slut

Samurai Sanders posted:

She's wearing Arab men's clothes...? Does that mean something?

Looks more Iranian to me. Not that Ramirez's audience knows the difference, but I'm guessing it's something about appeasing Iran. I don't know if there's any specific connection, but Hillary Clinton was Obama's Secretary of State, and Obama has yet to turn Iran to glass, so obviously they're horrible appeasers.

Oh, and ANY DAY NOW.

Ralepozozaxe
Sep 6, 2010

A Veritable Smorgasbord!

Samurai Sanders posted:

She's wearing Arab men's clothes...? Does that mean something?

Look, Ramirez is a busy man what with his 2 Pulitzer s and all . He doesn't have time to make sure his cartoons are relevant or make since.

FaradayCage
May 2, 2010

Venom Snake posted:

We need a emote for "What difference does it make?" because it's going to be the GOLF GOLF GOLF of 2015 and 2016 when Hillary announces.

I legitimately want her to make a gaff as early into the primaries as possible just so I can stop hearing that tired refrain. It's so loving generic that they can (and do) use it for everything.

Thing happens/doesn't happen -> At this point what difference does it make?

:smuggo::hf::smuggo:

Something Positive
Jan 10, 2010

MOTHER MOTHER MOTHER MOTHER MOTHER MOTHER MOTHERMOTHERMOTHER MOOOOTTTHHHEEERRRR
I was reading the comic strip thread, and lookie here:



:getin: (Unless it's considered poop-touching, of course.)

Liberal_L33t
Apr 9, 2005

by WE B Boo-ourgeois

Something Positive posted:

I was reading the comic strip thread, and lookie here:



:getin: (Unless it's considered poop-touching, of course.)

The "poop-touching" rule is all about preventing lawsuit threats in the vein of Kirschen's "furious and serious" emails, right? Given that this event is actually inviting the public, I think even a cartoonist on Lester's level would understand how laughable it would be to claim 'harassment'.

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!
We'll only have so many questions before he throws a tantrum. Should we get collab'n?

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

"What's the best way to hit a woman without hurting my hands? I need them in good shape like you do for cartooning."

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012


gently caress you, Muir. Mess with The Princess Bride and get cut.


WarpedNaba posted:

We'll only have so many questions before he throws a tantrum. Should we get collab'n?

"My wife and I disagreed about your latest cartoon. Since you're the expert, I want to get your opinion: backhand, uppercut, or just straight in the kisser?"

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
"I'm an aspiring cartoonist. How racist is too racist in my Obama caricature?"

Pththya-lyi
Nov 8, 2009

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2020
"Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" is a classic for a reason

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
The don't touch the cartoonists rule exists because y'all are some embarrassing motherfuckers

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!
But this one is literally asking for it!

Also, the thread can screen through prospective questions and weed out the dumb ones.

duz
Jul 11, 2005

Come on Ilhan, lets go bag us a shitpost


No, some people forget that as much fun as poo poo stirring is, it gets poo poo everywhere.

Exclamation Marx posted:

The don't touch the cartoonists rule exists because y'all are some embarrassing motherfuckers

Seriously.

Evilreaver
Feb 26, 2007

GEORGE IS GETTIN' AUGMENTED!
Dinosaur Gum

Exclamation Marx posted:

The don't touch the cartoonists rule exists because y'all are some embarrassing motherfuckers

Yea, the questions goons ask are less "how do you reconcile your Opinion A in the face of Fact B" and more "DO YOU OPEN-PALM SLAM CHRONICLES OF RIDDICK INTO YOUR VCR EVERY MORNING AND DO ALL THE MOVES ALONG WITH THE MAIN CHARACTER, RIDDICK?"

I love seeing people being confronted with their hypocrisies as much as anyone, but drat goons are bad at this on average.

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Evilreaver posted:

Yea, the questions goons ask are less "how do you reconcile your Opinion A in the face of Fact B" and more "DO YOU OPEN-PALM SLAM CHRONICLES OF RIDDICK INTO YOUR VCR EVERY MORNING AND DO ALL THE MOVES ALONG WITH THE MAIN CHARACTER, RIDDICK?"

I love seeing people being confronted with their hypocrisies as much as anyone, but drat goons are bad at this on average.

Almost as if we don't really have an interest in engaging with assholes, we want to gently caress them over because they should already know better.

NoEyedSquareGuy
Mar 16, 2009

Just because Liquor's dead, doesn't mean you can just roll this bitch all over town with "The Freedoms."
"What was up with that cartoon a few years ago that had Obama as the pimp at the birth control hearing? What was that whole deal?"
- Viable question to ask Mike Lester

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver

NoEyedSquareGuy posted:

"What was up with that cartoon a few years ago that had Obama as the pimp at the birth control hearing? What was that whole deal?"
- Viable question to ask Mike Lester
If you wanna gently caress with a political cartoonist then be subtle about it and ask a question he's liable to answer and unwittingly embarass himself with like this

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

WarpedNaba posted:

But this one is literally asking for it!

Also, the thread can screen through prospective questions and weed out the dumb ones.

Not really, since it won't be the thread hivemind asking questions.

This is the kind of thing that's generally more fun to think about than to actually do. We can sit here and imagine Mike Lester fuming at our sick burns and how they've completely changed his life without having to actually tweet them at him and be disappointed when he ignores them or gives some super boring answer.

Je suis fatigue
May 5, 2009

Amazing! It's a double J.O.!
I don't really care what people do as long as they don't come back here looking for praise and high fives for their weak-rear end burns on twitter.

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Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

vyelkin posted:

Not really, since it won't be the thread hivemind asking questions.

This is the kind of thing that's generally more fun to think about than to actually do. We can sit here and imagine Mike Lester fuming at our sick burns and how they've completely changed his life without having to actually tweet them at him and be disappointed when he ignores them or gives some super boring answer.
Yeah, that one guy who told Bok that his comics sucked didn't rock that guy's world doing it. Someone like Lester is used to getting trolled or whatever and they develop a teflon shield of not giving a poo poo. It's not really worth doing it.

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