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Suspicious Dish posted:remove "bloat", people complain leave menu bars alone because they were fine, and nobody was complaining about them, and they made it easy to find the things your program could do with a standard structure everyone understood, even people who had never used a linux before? but I guess "it ain't broke so we won't try to fix it" is boring, and if you don't have an eternal Grand Quest to Redefine Interface Paradigms then you might have to fix existing bugs or something terrible like that
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Feb 26, 2015 21:51
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Gotta design for all those linux tablets out there lol
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Feb 26, 2015 21:52
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The whole reason hamburger basements exist is because on devices with limited screen real-estate, you can't display a proper menu. There is no reason for them to exist on a desktop. If your phone app needs a hamburger basement then it is a sign the your app might be trying to do too much. If you use a hamburger basement on desktop then you are just cargo-culting phone app design because you don't understand what makes it popular.
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Feb 26, 2015 22:00
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ZShakespeare posted:The whole reason hamburger basements exist is because on devices with limited screen real-estate, you can't display a proper menu. There is no reason for them to exist on a desktop. If your phone app needs a hamburger basement then it is a sign the your app might be trying to do too much. If you use a hamburger basement on desktop then you are just cargo-culting phone app design because you don't understand what makes it popular. Nice 800x600 CRT erasure.
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Feb 26, 2015 22:03
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SYSV Fanfic posted:Nice 800x600 CRT erasure. i believe the term is "supersession" - sent from my 2880 x 1800 notebook computer
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Feb 26, 2015 22:10
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hamburger menus are even worse when app developers can't even decide if they want them on the top right or top left.
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Feb 26, 2015 22:15
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reminder that evince has a hamburger menu right next to a wrench menu and good luck in remembering which menu contains which options oh, and there's a third menu on the opposite side of the screen, but fortunately it contains nothing useful pseudorandom name fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Feb 26, 2015 |
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Feb 26, 2015 22:16
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So according to this thread [ Title --------------------------------------------------------------------] [ File Edit View Help ------------------------------------------------------] [ the actual content -------------------------------------------------------] is better than [ Back - Fwd - Title --------------------------Zoom - Hamburger --] Even notebooks have wider and shorter displays these days, so vertical real estate is very precious. I don't have a problem with it. Agreed though the combination of hamburger and wrench menu right next to each other is pretty fuckin stupid. Pre-release notes for GNOME 3.16 say that Evince's UI has been tweaked somehow but it looks the same to me incl. the two menus next to each other
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Feb 26, 2015 22:22
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pseudorandom name posted:reminder that evince has a hamburger menu right next to a wrench menu and good luck in remembering which menu contains which options this is much better than "file" and "options" because
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Feb 26, 2015 22:22
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Mr Dog posted:So according to this thread having a "hamburger" icon at a readable size will take up just as much vertical space as the word "edit" or "options" it's just dumb cargo cult bullshit. ipad apps do this so i guess my desktop app should
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Feb 26, 2015 22:23
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fwiw any time I use Eclipse I end up hunting through Source, Navigate, Project menus because those distinctions are no less arbitrary
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Feb 26, 2015 22:23
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:this is much better than "file" and "options" because because forcing the user to hover over the hamburger menu to see the "File options" tooltip and hover over the wrench icon to see "View options" and then look at the contents of both menus anyway is good design!
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Feb 26, 2015 22:24
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they're less arbitrary because they're bound to keystrokes: (S)ource, (N)avigate, (P)roject am i supposed to hit alt "H" for "hamburger"
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Feb 26, 2015 22:24
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of course not. tablets don't have keyboards
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Feb 26, 2015 22:25
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Mr dog incredibly has terrible opinions in practically every facet of technology
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Feb 26, 2015 22:27
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Mr Dog posted:I like GNOME 3 And hamburgers menus. Just wow, wow. Just wow .... Wow
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Feb 26, 2015 22:28
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Mr Dog posted:fwiw any time I use Eclipse I end up hunting through Source, Navigate, Project menus because those distinctions are no less arbitrary do you think this would be improved if all the options were crammed into a hamburger?
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Feb 26, 2015 22:31
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Menu navigation was actually that regularly came up in user testing, and is something that regularly annoys me in Windows apps as well. Newer Windows apps don't have classic menubars anymore. Quick, where is the Preferences in Adobe Photoshop, MS Word and Visual Studio? File -> Preferences Edit -> Preferences Tools -> Options
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Feb 26, 2015 22:32
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Mr Dog posted:fwiw any time I use Eclipse I end up hunting through Source, Navigate, Project menus because those distinctions are no less arbitrary maybe computers just aren't for you man. every though about... not using a computer?
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Feb 26, 2015 22:33
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If you really wanted to cargo cult apple but hate the global menu because you like having an empty black bar at the top of the screen, you would be better off doing [ Title - File - Edit - View - Help -----------------------] You could even break out some commonly used functions!
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Feb 26, 2015 22:37
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Suspicious Dish posted:Menu navigation was actually that regularly came up in user testing, and is something that regularly annoys me in Windows apps as well. Newer Windows apps don't have classic menubars anymore. Well they're all under preferences under their menu, right next to the apple menu
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Feb 26, 2015 22:38
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brasero cant add this mp4 to dvd author. other dvd tools UBUNTUFORUMS or the arch wiki or IDK are the most insane poo poo ever, what good dvd authoring tool? ubuntu.... linux.... ideally like for noobs. click file ... add... burn. u know. i dont watnt to make a video.ts and audio.ts then do a thing in terminal, hen burn them or whatever. wtf is that poo poo. jesus christ
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Feb 26, 2015 22:40
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Cool, so you're saying that menubars are bad and you prefer a one menu that has everything.
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Feb 26, 2015 22:40
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Suspicious Dish posted:Menu navigation was actually that regularly came up in user testing, and is something that regularly annoys me in Windows apps as well. Newer Windows apps don't have classic menubars anymore. Yeah for metro you have to massage the right side of the screen with the cursor to simulate sliding your finger onto the screen from the right from offscreen to prompt a completely hidden menu to show up that contains a hamburger basement that looks like a gear.
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Feb 26, 2015 22:41
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Suspicious Dish posted:Menu navigation was actually that regularly came up in user testing, and is something that regularly annoys me in Windows apps as well. Newer Windows apps don't have classic menubars anymore. if we are going to unironically take UI tips from microsoft metro, i don't think i can keep posting in this thread Suspicious Dish posted:Quick, where is the Preferences in Adobe Photoshop, MS Word and Visual Studio? more importantly, where is 'save as' ? it's not under a hamburger menu. it's File -> Save As. it's a descriptively named option, with a keyboard accelerator, under a descriptively named menu, with a keyboard accelerator. where it's been for thirty years.
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Feb 26, 2015 22:47
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pram posted:Well they're all under preferences under their menu, right next to the apple menu
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Feb 26, 2015 22:48
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apple mobile website has the best hamburger menu
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Feb 26, 2015 22:52
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Suspicious Dish posted:Menu navigation was actually that regularly came up in user testing, and is something that regularly annoys me in Windows apps as well. Newer Windows apps don't have classic menubars anymore. well I'm glad new trendy apps have solved this problem .......... ............ by introducing even more places something might be hidden, except now it's not just some words that are different, now they all look and behave completely differently from one another as well! PROGRESS!
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Feb 26, 2015 22:54
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:today i tried to use evince, the gnome 3 pdf reader. they replaced all the file, edit, etc menus with a loving "hamburger" button, like i'm using a 7" ipad mini and can't use real menus. no this is a 220 dpi screenshot 
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Feb 26, 2015 23:06
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how and why is x still a thing holy poo poo next are you going to tell me that xfree86 is too
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Feb 26, 2015 23:08
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Sniep posted:no this is a 220 dpi screenshot no hamburger basement. clearly made by a first year design student.
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Feb 26, 2015 23:09
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Sniep posted:no this is a 220 dpi screenshot Classy, tasteful, timeless
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Feb 26, 2015 23:10
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:if we are going to unironically take UI tips from microsoft metro, i don't think i can keep posting in this thread I was actually talking about the Windows 7 explorer.exe.
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Feb 26, 2015 23:54
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Wild EEPROM posted:how and why is x still a thing holy poo poo next are you going to tell me that xfree86 is too xfree86 is not a thing. killing x is my part-time job.
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Feb 26, 2015 23:54
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Suspicious Dish posted:I was actually talking about the Windows 7 explorer.exe. ah, yes, the one where the old menus appear as soon as you press alt so everyone who knows how to use a computer can carry on being productive?
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Feb 26, 2015 23:57
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Suspicious Dish posted:xfree86 is not a thing. killing x is my part-time job. i believe there is some bsd that still uses xfree86
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Feb 27, 2015 00:35
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bsd isn't a thing either
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Feb 27, 2015 00:38
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it's deprecated on all of them, but available on some for legacy support.
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Soricidus posted:ah, yes, the one where the old menus appear as soon as you press alt so everyone who knows how to use a computer can carry on being productive? I actually legitimately did not know that was a feature.
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