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Bad Seafood posted:There are a lot of ways failure can be internalized into a personal lesson, man, I'm just trying to give an example. We expect him to win because he's the protagonist, even with the odds stacked heavily against him. I'm just saying failure is an option and potentially a constructive one; one I wouldn't mind seeing. He's not going to fail because he was mind controlled because that's a super boring way to lose. Iida is actually probably the best place for him to lose at. Then Iida can win it all and be surprised killed by the villain's association. Maximum tragedy.
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Bad Seafood posted:Physically, yeah, he's pretty far behind, but that's a problem poised to solve itself. I'm talking about his mentality, his way of thinking, which he's had plenty of time to develop. His mentality is "I want to be a hero who saves people like All Might and I'll do whatever it takes to be that hero". He isn't backing down when facing challenges, mental or physical and while he acknowledges that other people want to be the greatest too, he's not letting their desire, power or motivation intimidate him. He doesn't even have a problem losing in and of itself, he wants to win this to make All Might proud, not because he's afraid of losing. He's lost plenty in the past, and been okay with losing: the entrance exam and first days tests being a good example of this. He lost so he could save others in the entrance, and then realized he couldn't win everything on the first day so just tried to do his best and do well in just one event instead. There's really no need to have him lose, and people seem to want him to lose simply because it's different, not because it'd be good while holding the manga up as some kind of paragon of unexpected elements. It really isn't. The manga has played plenty of it's elements straight. It's good not because it surprises the reader constantly (it does this plenty in minor elements, not so much the overarching beats) but because it's well executed. And while Deku will probably win this if it plays out, it'll more than likely play out well regardless of what it does. One Piece has had Luffy lose only really once in the manga so far, and it took a long time and a lot of build up to happen - yet Luffy is still one of the most enjoyable parts of an overall really enjoyable story.
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New issue - http://www.mangareader.net/boku-no-hero-academia/32 They are pushing the Deku vs Son of Ice and Fire so much that I'm beginning to think it won't happen. Either Deku is mind controlled into saying "I give up" (similar to the Shikimaru/Ino fight in Naruto) or Fire and Ice guy has a shocking loss in the 2nd round, leaving Deku to avenge him, which would further create a wedge between them because he would resent being saved by someone associated with All Might DeadBonesBrook fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Feb 28, 2015 |
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Feb 28, 2015 19:59
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stir the emotions, cloud the mind, eh?
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Feb 28, 2015 20:09
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DeadBonesBrook posted:or Fire and Ice guy has a shocking loss in the 2nd round, leaving Deku to avenge him So... Deku would either have to beat the guy who beats him in the first round or beat himself?
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Feb 28, 2015 20:14
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I wouldn't be too broken up if Shinsou won and proceeded to walk all over Todorki and Iida before facing Bakugou (or possibly Yaoyorozu). He seems like he has potential to do cool stuff. I know there was a big discussion about how it doesn't need to be super surprising to be good, but it would certainly be cool if not every obvious choice were to advance.
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Feb 28, 2015 20:16
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Dragonatrix posted:So... Deku would either have to beat the guy who beats him in the first round or beat himself? I meant the 2 round as in the second match of the tournament, its possible both could get knocked out as well I suppose, but that would be way less interesting
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Feb 28, 2015 20:18
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Welp, Todoroki ruined everything by looking forward to beating Midoriya. RIP Midoriya.
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What the gently caress happened to "We're going to wait until the official release is out to release ours"?
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Feb 28, 2015 20:35
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This chapter was done by a different group. One that clearly does not give a poo poo about that.
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This is a different group that does one of the other language translations.
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Feb 28, 2015 20:36
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Ojiro is still cool and his reason for forfeiting - "I didn't earn it" - is much cooler than what I expected, which was something about him just not having a chance. Good job Ryu.
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Dragonatrix posted:This chapter was done by a different group. One that clearly does not give a poo poo about that. To be fair, the apparently don't give a poo poo about putting words in the proper order either. Don't/Didn't are important words that change the meaning of a sentence, especially when taking them out clearly contradicts the actions as drawn.
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Gyges posted:To be fair, the apparently don't give a poo poo about putting words in the proper order either. Don't/Didn't are important words that change the meaning of a sentence, especially when taking them out clearly contradicts the actions as drawn. Yeah. I had to reread a line earlier, when Ojiro, by their translation, told Deku to respond to Shinsou's provocations. It seemed really odd, and I thought I read it wrong, but no, that's what it was. And then later, Deku does exactly that, gets mind-controlled or whatever, and Ojiro's lamenting having warned Deku about this. Because he warned Deku not to do so, and the translators messed that up Also they called bondage heroine a "he", so I'm pretty sure they aren't proofreading their work either. This new group is bad, is what I am saying. They aren't unreadable but in a way that's worse because they write basically proper English and then gently caress up little things that completely change what the meaning of the characters are saying. It's not bad enough to make you not read it, just to make the chapter a confusing mess.
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Gyges posted:To be fair, the apparently don't give a poo poo about putting words in the proper order either. Don't/Didn't are important words that change the meaning of a sentence, especially when taking them out clearly contradicts the actions as drawn. Yeah, there were some pretty obvious and important word omissions and words out of order. I'm not someone concerned overly much with capturing the pure intention of the author, but that chapter just has terrible proofing.
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English isn't the first language of the group that released this, it's the group that does the Spanish or Portuguese releases I think. So yeah, no poo poo the grammar isn't great.
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There are also some pretty weird translation errors, the most obvious ones being Kirishima's line changing from "These guys... ARE REAL MEN!" in the original to "These kids... They're no good!" Shinsou's little speech also changed from being about how the means are irrelevant to some stuff about fears.
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Ojiro's speech doesn't make much sense to me in this version, though the progression of the chapter helps fill in the gaps.Soylentbits posted:He's not going to fail because he was mind controlled because that's a super boring way to lose. Whatever happens though, I'd rather the tournament not get interrupted; especially not right after the Space Jam arc. tsob posted:There's really no need to have him lose, and people seem to want him to lose simply because it's different, not because it'd be good while holding the manga up as some kind of paragon of unexpected elements. It really isn't. The manga has played plenty of it's elements straight. It's good not because it surprises the reader constantly (it does this plenty in minor elements, not so much the overarching beats) but because it's well executed. And while Deku will probably win this if it plays out, it'll more than likely play out well regardless of what it does. One Piece has had Luffy lose only really once in the manga so far, and it took a long time and a lot of build up to happen - yet Luffy is still one of the most enjoyable parts of an overall really enjoyable story. Certain things are expected in a story like this. Right from the get-go, we know the hero's gonna come out on top. No matter what twists or turns the plot may take, no matter the odds, we are 99.99% assured things will go our protagonist's way, even if they sometimes take their time getting there. Spoiler: Deku takes All Might's place and becomes a truly spectacular hero in his own right. This is all but guaranteed to be the natural outcome of things. Which is great, because I dig these kinds of stories. Wouldn't be reading them if I didn't. At the same time, however, this sort of thing necessitates what amounts to a string of continuous victories. The question is seldom "Can we win?" but rather "How will we win?" If the writer manages to provide a satisfying response, we accept yet another of the protagonist's many victories. If they don't, we don't, except by author fiat or some other plot device. Deku's made a lot of progress. He's still nervous and uncertain and prone to emotional outbursts, but he's got a hero's heart and the ability to think on his feet. He knows he can't just rely on his quirk, and to his credit he looks for ways around using it. All the same, he isn't yet at a level where I could really believe he'd beat mind-control kid, Todoroki, Iida, and Bakugou in the same arc; not without stretching suspension of disbelief to the breaking point, and certainly not right after the most recent chapter had him walk right into a trap he should've known was there all along. And if he wins, he wins. Maybe he'll win with style just to shut me up. Maybe he'll win because he's the protagonist. Maybe the tournament gets interrupted and we're left without an answers (though this would be the least satisfying turn of events). Or maybe, since this isn't a life-or-death, make it or break it situation, he can actually afford to lose and learn something from it. If you don't want to take anything else from me, at least take this: by entertaining the very real possibility of Deku losing, you make his actual victories more meaningful; doubly so should Kohei execute them well. Even if all my walls of text amount to ziltch, at the end of the day I'll feel more invested in the outcome knowing Deku's triumph isn't a given just because the whole story happens to be about him. Also fitting you should mention One Piece, since the one time Luffy faced the real danger of failing is the only time I've ever been invested in the fights (though I still find One Piece pretty enjoyable despite this shortcoming). TL;DR I take dumb fighting comics from foreign countries too seriously  what is my problem.
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Midoriya defeating all of his rivals in one tournament seems a bit much, but remember that whoever wins (or maybe the top 3-4?) go onto the final games where all the winners in all 3 years of classes participate.
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I actually forgot all about that. On a slightly less autismal tangent, since a couple people here have remarked on Todoroki's fairly "Generic" design, somebody pointed out to me it might be another way of rebelling against his overly-flashy dad which I am pretty okay with.
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Also his powers are specifically mentioned to damage his body if used too intensely/too long. That does not seem to be the case with his dad unless he thinks that severe burns are really loving rad and worth having flame beard constantly. Edit: Just FYI the Vocomic stuff is still being updated. If you wanna hear a Japanese VA doing All Might, complete with SMASH. http://vomic.shueisha.co.jp/hero/ Fabricated fucked around with this message at 00:16 on Mar 1, 2015 |
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Well, if I could have a beard that nice.
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I want to know if Endeavor gets doused does he emerge clean-shaven.
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Shinsou being described as "A normal student without anything special" makes me wonder if his 'ability' is actually a quirk, or does he just have an extremely good grasp of psychology, which he uses to control people?
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Say Nothing posted:Shinsou being described as "A normal student without anything special" makes me wonder if his 'ability' is actually a quirk, or does he just have an extremely good grasp of psychology, which he uses to control people? Are you serious? The people he's mind controlled are shown being really confused after being let out of it, with presumably no memories of what happened. That and apparently all you need to do to get caught in it is reply to his words. Anyway I think Midoriya is way too smart to get immediately caught by Shinshou's quirk after being warned about it from tail-boy. I think this is some sort of trick; tape recorder maybe?
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RatHat posted:Are you serious? The people he's mind controlled are shown being really confused after being let out of it, with presumably no memories of what happened. That and apparently all you need to do to get caught in it is reply to his words. I think his ability just lets him control people who are mad (at him?)
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Bad Seafood posted:TL;DR I take dumb fighting comics from foreign countries too seriously I guess it MIGHT be interesting for Deku to lose but you gotta admit he's at least got to beat mind-control dickhead because man gently caress that dude. I'm sure he has a reason for his assholery but for right now I want to see him get beat to hell.
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Fabricated posted:Edit: Just FYI the Vocomic stuff is still being updated. If you wanna hear a Japanese VA doing All Might, complete with SMASH. This is pretty sweet
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Fabricated posted:English isn't the first language of the group that released this, it's the group that does the Spanish or Portuguese releases I think. It's Spanish, considering the bit of Spanish at the beginning. This is also not an excuse. Spanish is my first language and I found this translation really bad. If they were going to bother doing this, they could've put a bit more effort into it, some errors were really loving bad (like the already mentioned provoke/don't provoke one, but also the entirety of Ojiro's talk about why he's quitting was really hard to read) Anyways, about the comic! The first round feels a bit obvious but I'm still interested. Realistically, the winners will be Midoriya, Todoroki, Iida, Yaoyorozu, Kirishima and Bakugou. The only ones I'm not too sure about are the two which only have minor characters in them, those could go either way because they don't affect anything at large. This also means that Bakugou gets to face the closest he has to a friend in the second round, which can be either fun or a total curbstomp, we'll see. Most importantly, the current fight. Shinsou seems to have total control over it already. Mind control powers that only work if the opponent is already angry, and a character that knows how to use this is a neat thing. I still want Midoriya to cave his face in, because holy poo poo he's a dick.
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Madtrixr posted:I guess it MIGHT be interesting for Deku to lose but you gotta admit he's at least got to beat mind-control dickhead because man gently caress that dude. Also hoping the other fights get some decent attention, rather than summation panels. Momo vs. Fumikage in particular would be very interesting to see played out.
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Fabricated posted:Edit: Just FYI the Vocomic stuff is still being updated. If you wanna hear a Japanese VA doing All Might, complete with SMASH. how do i get this to work 
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RatHat posted:Are you serious? The people he's mind controlled are shown being really confused after being let out of it, with presumably no memories of what happened. That and apparently all you need to do to get caught in it is reply to his words. The way they described him as "A normal student without anything special" was weird. It could just be that particular translation.
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Also superpowers are basically normal in the context of this world, so you'd have to really stand out to rise about that label.
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Tollymain posted:how do i get this to work
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Bad Seafood posted:Also hoping the other fights get some decent attention, rather than summation panels. Momo vs. Fumikage in particular would be very interesting to see played out.
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Mind powers wouldn't work well against robots and don't give any physical powers either. Also, in an earlier chapter he talked about getting used to his power. The most likely explanation for that is that he simply hasn't been using his powers because of their nature. There are probably many people who get powers that are strong or potentially destructive and never use them in normal life.
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Piriwi posted:Mind powers wouldn't work well against robots and don't give any physical powers either. Now I'm imagining people with terrifying powers that just try to do normal things. A guy who can create nuclear explosions, but is employed as a foreman at a construction firm. A person with time control powers, who works in IT. And so on. ...Now I'm wondering how many villains in this world are people who tried to have normal lives, had something go wrong, and decided gently caress it, time to put their power to level entire city blocks to use.
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good version: http://bato.to/read/_/307526/boku-no-hero-academia_ch32_by_fallen-angels e: yikes, should have looked at that fanart before calling it good
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Something I really like about the juxtaposition of these two panels but I can't quite put my finger on it. Also Ojiro's new speech makes a lot more sense and cements his status as a pretty cool guy.
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