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Covok posted:I just realized something: Goku never killed anyone in the series, did he? The second before the Demon King Piccolo died from Goku's attack, Piccolo reincarnated himself with an egg. Since Kami and Piccolo are life linked, the fact Kami didn't die means that the Demon King Piccolo didn't really die. And, IIRC, the Demon King Piccolo and Ma Junior share the same memory and personality. Freeza survived Goku's kill blow and was killed by Trunks. Kid Buu did die, but was almost immediately revived as Uub so that could get a pass. There was that one guy he fed so much energy to he exploded
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TheKingofSprings posted:There was that one guy he fed so much energy to he exploded Yeah, that was Yakon, right? Forgot about him too.
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Mar 3, 2015 05:36
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Covok posted:I just realized something: Goku never killed anyone in the series, did he? The second before the Demon King Piccolo died from Goku's attack, Piccolo reincarnated himself with an egg. Since Kami and Piccolo are life linked, the fact Kami didn't die means that the Demon King Piccolo didn't really die. And, IIRC, the Demon King Piccolo and Ma Junior share the same memory and personality. Freeza survived Goku's kill blow and was killed by Trunks. Kid Buu did die, but was almost immediately revived as Uub so that could get a pass. He killed the gently caress out of 3/5ths of the Ginyu Force without batting an eyelash
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Mar 3, 2015 05:39
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Captain Oblivious posted:He killed the gently caress out of 3/5ths of the Ginyu Force without batting an eyelash he didn't kill Burter, Jeice, or Recoome. Vegeta killed all three of those, and Ginyu wandered away as a frog then probably died on Namek. He did technically kill that frog though by putting it in Ginyu's mortally wounded body.
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Mar 3, 2015 05:41
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Covok posted:I just realized something: Goku never killed anyone in the series, did he? The second before the Demon King Piccolo died from Goku's attack, Piccolo reincarnated himself with an egg. Since Kami and Piccolo are life linked, the fact Kami didn't die means that the Demon King Piccolo didn't really die. And, IIRC, the Demon King Piccolo and Ma Junior share the same memory and personality. Freeza survived Goku's kill blow and was killed by Trunks. Kid Buu did die, but was almost immediately revived as Uub so that could get a pass. Goku killed like hundreds of people as a child. He singlehandedly murders almost the entire Red Ribbon Army. After he trains with Kami, he only kills Yakon and Kid Buu.
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Mar 3, 2015 05:42
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Goku didn't technically kill Demon King Piccolo, but he sure as gently caress meant to.
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Mar 3, 2015 05:45
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He put two guys and a rabbit on the moon expecting them to survive.
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Mar 3, 2015 05:45
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Captain Oblivious posted:He killed the gently caress out of 3/5ths of the Ginyu Force without batting an eyelash Nah, that was Vegeta. In It For The Tank posted:Goku killed like hundreds of people as a child. He singlehandedly murders almost the entire Red Ribbon Army. Did he kill people in the Red Ribbon Army? I don't remember that.
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Mar 3, 2015 05:46
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Covok posted:Nah, that was Vegeta. I seem to remember him jumping on people's planes and making them explode, so...
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Stallion Cabana posted:he didn't kill Burter, Jeice, or Recoome. Vegeta killed all three of those, and Ginyu wandered away as a frog then probably died on Namek. Completely forgot Vegeta was even on his feet when Goku arrived. But yeah either way you cut it Goku killed plenty in Dragon Ball.
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Mar 3, 2015 05:49
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He exploded the mech Black was riding and all, so that was a confirmed kill at least.
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Mar 3, 2015 05:49
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Spiritus Nox posted:I seem to remember him jumping on people's planes and making them explode, so... It's okay, I can see their parachutes!
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Covok posted:
He blew up Commander Black's robot and he died because he didn't install a parachute. Also while factchecking that I found out in GT Pan kills him again.
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Mar 3, 2015 05:49
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Covok posted:Did he kill people in the Red Ribbon Army? I don't remember that. even if they all lived, Goku absolutely killed Tambourine as revenge for Krillian
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Mar 3, 2015 05:51
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Man...I am so weirded out by the insane Dragon Ball revival of the last few years. The franchise was more or less over and done, other than a handful of video games, but then suddenly we get American Dragon Boxes, two theatrical releases, a whole mess of higher-budget video games, one of which included a remaster of an ancient OVA. This series has some insane legs.
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Mar 3, 2015 05:53
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Captain Quack posted:Freeza may have got stronger, but Goku didn't transform to fight him in the trailer, I guess when he does Freeza wont stand much of a chance Maybe a part of his training will be that he can't transform.
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Mar 3, 2015 05:55
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One thing I always loves about Frieeza was that he had a poo poo took of mooks so people besides Goku could have fights they could actually win. This movie looks like it's going to have plenty of that, can't wait to see Roshi ruin some alien assholes.  I wonder what Frieeza's reaction will be to seeing Trunks.
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Mar 3, 2015 05:56
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Man, I was dead wrong. I forgot how many times he killed people in Dragonball.
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Mar 3, 2015 05:57
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jivjov posted:Man...I am so weirded out by the insane Dragon Ball revival of the last few years. The franchise was more or less over and done, other than a handful of video games, but then suddenly we get American Dragon Boxes, two theatrical releases, a whole mess of higher-budget video games, one of which included a remaster of an ancient OVA. This series has some insane legs. I just got back into it a month ago, the only thing I knew was Battle of the Gods came out and Dragon Ball Abridged did that bardock sequel that totally took me by surprise. Now there's an even bigger extended universe and glazing over things like the Dragonball MMO and Dragonball Heroes is just surreal. Super Sayain 4 Broly is like official.
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Sinners Sandwich posted:I just got back into it a month ago, the only thing I knew was Battle of the Gods came out and Dragon Ball Abridged did that bardock sequel that totally took me by surprise. Now there's an even bigger extended universe and glazing over things like the Dragonball MMO and Dragonball Heroes is just surreal. Super Sayain 4 Broly is like official. As official as Super Sayain 4 is itself...which is to say it's non-canon as far as the series is concerned, but it definitely used a lot in the EU.
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Mar 3, 2015 05:59
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Covok posted:Man, I was dead wrong. I forgot how many times he killed people in Dragonball. Oh yeah no Kid Goku would wreck your poo poo if you did something bad. Hell he kicked the grenade back at Tao Pai Pai. (granted yeah we learned later he survived but still)
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Mar 3, 2015 06:00
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Captain Quack posted:Freeza may have got stronger, but Goku didn't transform to fight him in the trailer, I guess when he does Freeza wont stand much of a chance A big point in the last movie is that Goku is nearly as strong right now untransformed as he is transformed. It's probably less than what a x2 Kaioken would do.
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Mar 3, 2015 06:03
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Covok posted:As official as Super Sayain 4 is itself... Which is also as official as Broly is.
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WickedHate posted:Which is also as official as Broly is. You know, looking at the "official" pictures of SS4 and SS3 Broly, I can't help, but wonder why he is still buff. The buff stuff is the result of the Legendary Super Sayian Transformation, not just him being him. He should be slim Broly in those forms.
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Mar 3, 2015 06:10
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Covok posted:You know, looking at the "official" pictures of SS4 and SS3 Broly, I can't help, but wonder why he is still buff. The buff stuff is the result of the Legendary Super Sayian Transformation, not just him being him. He should be slim Broly in those forms. He must also be the Legendary Super Sayian 3 and 4.
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Covok posted:You know, looking at the "official" pictures of SS4 and SS3 Broly, I can't help, but wonder why he is still buff. The buff stuff is the result of the Legendary Super Sayian Transformation, not just him being him. He should be slim Broly in those forms. Because no one remembers or gives a gently caress about slim Broly, all they care about is roid monster Broly.
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It's not like slim Broly had a personality anyway. GIANT rear end in a top hat JUGGERNAUT is the totality of his existance. It's awesome.
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Xibanya posted:So Vegeta's character in the androids/cell arc really bugs me. It seems like Toriyama himself was like "what is Vegeta's personality again? Oh yeah, he's obsessed with challenging strong guys and beating them!" and then he went from there. When I watch the Saiyan and Namek episodes it's like I'm seeing a totally different character. I'll explain. Page or two late on this, but I completely disagree. Vegeta until his sacrifice seems to have two personalities. There's extreme arrogant braggart mode in the Saiyan saga and parts of the Cell saga, along with Majin Vegeta, and more humble scheming mode in the other parts. The difference in the two happens depending on whether he is or thinks he is the strongest on the battlefield. There's not much difference between Saiyan Saga Vegeta and Super Vegeta if you think about it, and definitely no difference between Super Vegeta and the Vegeta who thinks he's a Super Saiyan against Freeza. However, when Goku is a Super Saiyan, 18/Perfect Cell just kicked his rear end, or Freeza is around, he's humbled and plays a bit better with others. It's actually a pretty consistent characterization that stays around until his sacrifice in the Buu Saga, where afterwards he's basically a silent brooding good guy. Also not sure how I feel about super Freeza. Kinda cool in a campy sense.
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WickedHate posted:It's not like slim Broly had a personality anyway. GIANT rear end in a top hat JUGGERNAUT is the totality of his existance. It's awesome. Yeah, it's actually slim Broly that's the one who can never say anything but "KAKAROT!" and scream. It isn't until he goes all super-muscleman that he has any personality, and a lot of his lines are pretty great. In the first movie he basically spends his entire rampage against the crew enjoying every last second of it and mocking them constantly.
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Covok posted:You know, looking at the "official" pictures of SS4 and SS3 Broly, I can't help, but wonder why he is still buff. The buff stuff is the result of the Legendary Super Sayian Transformation, not just him being him. He should be slim Broly in those forms. I could go into a long, dumb  rant on the hypothetical justifications of such a thing and the nature of "Legendary" Super Saiyan, but I think I'll just leave it at "his power is maximum" unless you really want me to.
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Calling it: The movie is going to end with Goku and Vegeta flat on their backs and awaiting the killing blow. A grinning Freeza lifts his arm skyward and begins to conjure a death ball... Only for a clawed hand to grab his wrist from offscreen. Beerus pulls his arm behind his back, puts him on one knee and holds him there while Whis slaps him until he finally stops screaming things like "UNHAND ME" and "I'LL KILL YOU!" The final shot of the film is an ashamed Freeza doing kata alongside Goku and Vegeta. Hobo Siege fucked around with this message at 06:25 on Mar 3, 2015 |
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drat, talk about a lazy power-up Jesus Christ that is literally a palette swap and nothing more. What happened Toriyama that was your one job, different colors do not count dammit
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Mar 3, 2015 06:40
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Parrotine posted:drat, talk about a lazy power-up ha ha ha it is i, freeza \ 
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Mar 3, 2015 06:43
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Stallion Cabana posted:Ginyu wandered away as a frog then probably died on Namek. Nah everything on the planet was warped to earth. So he died when Buu blew up the earth.
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Parrotine posted:drat, talk about a lazy power-up EDIT: Like seriously SSJ1, 2, and God are all hilariously underplayed in terms of what changes they have, it's really not surprising Frieza's super form is just a palette swap.
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Parrotine posted:drat, talk about a lazy power-up I think it's not a matter of Toriyama being lazy this time. It seems like they're really hyping up Frieza as a rival to Goku and Vegeta, and giving him access to the same power-up they've had for 20 years is a pretty good way of showing that.
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Twiddy posted:Yeah man you can't just turn a body part gold and have that be it. No enhanced abilities, no physical mutations, no nothing! It seems Frieza shall never become anything more than a mere space lizard 
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So if Saiyans can go super and Frieza can go super then Cell hosed up because he could have been like, double-super, genetically.
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Kelp Plankton posted:So if Saiyans can go super and Frieza can go super then Cell hosed up because he could have been like, double-super, genetically. Next time, on Dragon Ball Z....
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Kelp Plankton posted:So if Saiyans can go super and Frieza can go super then Cell hosed up because he could have been like, double-super, genetically. Actually if you consult my detailed chart I think you'll find it's Super Saiyan Squared
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