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Sulecrist
Apr 5, 2007

Better tear off this bar association logo.
Betrayer is a really great book.

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lite_sleepr
Jun 3, 2003

Cythereal posted:

Lorgar also reveals in Betrayer that the whole thing was meant to get rid of the doctrinally impure Word Bearers to begin with and was never expected to succeed.

Just as planned, Lorgar is really a Tzeetchian mastermind.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

PRESIDENT GOKU posted:

Just as planned, Lorgar is really a Tzeetchian mastermind.

Or GW gave permission for ADB to go "Eh, no one liked that book so let's kinda forget it was supposed to be a serious thing." Either works.

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx
Because of the 40k RPG thread I read the Emperor's Gift and was left disappointed. At least Bjorn showed up.

Anyway, Beer4TheBeerGod is running a Rogue Trader CYOA and I was wondering whether if there's a good book about that in the library instead of endless wankery involving SPESS MAREENS and guardsmen.

Cooked Auto
Aug 4, 2007

There was at least two books about Rogue Traders written by Andy Hoare but they're way out of print by now. The second Shira Calpurnia book deals very heavily with Rogue Traders as well and is available in the omnibus.

Other than those I can't really come up with anything else on the top of my head.

Abyss
Oct 29, 2011
Finished up the Word Bearers Omnibus this weekend, that was a fun ride. Although I could go straight into Night Lords, I think something lighter will suit me, so I'm delving into Helsreach now with the first Ciaphas Cain omnibus in line after that.

The Rat
Aug 29, 2004

You will find no one to help you here. Beth DuClare has been dissected and placed in cryonic storage.

It's somehow hilarious to me that Helsreach would be described as "lighter." I mean, I understand it within the context relative to what it's being compared to, but drat that's still pretty hilarious somehow.

See if you can find the follow-up short story to Helsreach and read it right after.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
I was going to post something similar, but... 40k be 40k.

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx

Cooked Auto posted:

There was at least two books about Rogue Traders written by Andy Hoare but they're way out of print by now. The second Shira Calpurnia book deals very heavily with Rogue Traders as well and is available in the omnibus.

Other than those I can't really come up with anything else on the top of my head.

A good start nonetheless, I can work with that.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

Cooked Auto posted:

There was at least two books about Rogue Traders written by Andy Hoare but they're way out of print by now. The second Shira Calpurnia book deals very heavily with Rogue Traders as well and is available in the omnibus.

Other than those I can't really come up with anything else on the top of my head.

One of Ravenor's buddies is a Rogue Trader

Cooked Auto
Aug 4, 2007

Improbable Lobster posted:

One of Ravenor's buddies is a Rogue Trader

Oh yeah, but as I recall the Rogue Trader stuff and politics isn't that much in focus in Ravenor as it is in the second Arbites book.

UberJumper
May 20, 2007
woop
Has there been any mention of anything new by abnett recently?

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

UberJumper posted:

Has there been any mention of anything new by abnett recently?

New Gaunt's Ghosts at some point this year I think, though it has been pushed back a couple of times. No word on the next Bequin book, or any others from what I can see. I'm inclined to think he's mainly been doing comics recently, as his involvement with Guardians of the Galaxy might have raised his stock in the comics world.

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

UberJumper posted:

Has there been any mention of anything new by abnett recently?

Plenty, just not 40k. He cranked out some video game and movie scripts recently, and has some comic stuff coming out.

Zephyrine
Jun 10, 2014

This is what meat is supposed to be like, dingus
Currently working my way through "Salvation's Reach"

I love it. I always ached for the aspect of the common man in Warhammer 40K. All this "In the future there is only war" makes W40K look so crooked because you *know* There's got to be more to the world.

But!

I don't expect anyone else to enjoy this book because it has practically no gun porn in it. No cervos creeking or HUDs scanning or power packs humming. So far anyway. There's barely even any bolters. Just guardsmen, their families and the lives they try to live in a world bearing down on them with death around every corner.


The bad parts are that some of it doesn't seem to have a lot to do with W40K at all. It's like they were written for some other world and then in the last second the items were switched out and adapted. So gun became lasgun and so on.

Zephyrine fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Mar 3, 2015

Lincoln`s Wax
May 1, 2000
My other, other car is a centipede filled with vaginas.
I wonder if Paul Kearney was intended to step into Abnett's spotlight as the "featured" BL author? I thought I heard something about Abnett being ill, plus he's pretty busy outside BL.

Sulecrist
Apr 5, 2007

Better tear off this bar association logo.

Zephyrine posted:

Currently working my way through "Salvation's Reach"

I love it. I always ached for the aspect of the common man in Warhammer 40K. All this "In the future there is only war" makes W40K look so crooked because you *know* There's got to be more to the world.

But!

I don't expect anyone else to enjoy this book because it has practically no gun porn in it. No cervos creeking or HUDs scanning or power packs humming. So far anyway. There's barely even any bolters. Just guardsmen, their families and the lives they try to live in a world bearing down on them with death around every corner.


The bad parts are that some of it doesn't seem to have a lot to do with W40K at all. It's like they were written for some other world and then in the last second the items were switched out and adapted. So gun became lasgun and so on.

I liked a lot about that book, but a lot of the actions scenes read like Abnett had just been given an advanced copy of Badab War Pts. I and II and told to fluff. "Safe within their respective Mk III and IV panoplies, the battle-brothers hefted their Zone Mortalis (TM) boarding shield upgrade kit and prepared to assault out of the relic Caestus Assault Ram (TM) immediately after it disgorged its disproportionately good melta attack."

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

Our Lovely Wang

Lincoln`s Wax posted:

I wonder if Paul Kearney was intended to step into Abnett's spotlight as the "featured" BL author? I thought I heard something about Abnett being ill, plus he's pretty busy outside BL.

Seems strange if that is the case. ADB is the obvious choice.

Lincoln`s Wax
May 1, 2000
My other, other car is a centipede filled with vaginas.
I don't think ADB has been published outside BL. Kearney has a couple of fantasy series under his belt and has the potential to attract new readers.

Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

If you want a vision of the future...
Anyone read any of Guy Haley's stuff, like The Death of Integrity or Skarsnik?

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004
Exciting Lemon
Do you guys have any recommendations for fiction that includes Rogue Traders? I've already ready Eisenhorn and Ravenor.

I'm working on a CYOA featuring a Rogue Trader, so if you like terrible fan fiction (or like to mock people writing terrible fan fiction) then please stop by.

Skarsnik
Oct 21, 2008

I...AM...RUUUDE!




Mechafunkzilla posted:

Anyone read any of Guy Haley's stuff, like The Death of Integrity or Skarsnik?

Your post has been highlighted as if you mentioned me so I should answer really

I enjoyed Skarsnik a lot, really good fun

jng2058
Jul 17, 2010

We have the tools, we have the talent!





Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Do you guys have any recommendations for fiction that includes Rogue Traders? I've already ready Eisenhorn and Ravenor.

I'm working on a CYOA featuring a Rogue Trader, so if you like terrible fan fiction (or like to mock people writing terrible fan fiction) then please stop by.

The second Shira Calpurnia novel, Legacy, deals with the fallout of a Rogue Trader's death and the scramble for control of his Warrant signed by the Emperor himself.

Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

If you want a vision of the future...

Skarsnik posted:

Your post has been highlighted as if you mentioned me so I should answer really

I enjoyed Skarsnik a lot, really good fun

for some reason I find myself doubting your objectivity

SRM
Jul 10, 2009

~*FeElIn' AweS0mE*~

Mechafunkzilla posted:

Anyone read any of Guy Haley's stuff, like The Death of Integrity or Skarsnik?

I've heard Baneblade is good and Death of Integrity is great from The Independent Characters. I read the free excerpt from Skarsnik and it was pretty painful though.

A 50S RAYGUN
Aug 22, 2011
i will never forgive baneblade for misrepresenting how large a baneblade is

hopterque
Mar 9, 2007

     sup

REAL MUSCLE MILK posted:

i will never forgive baneblade for misrepresenting how large a baneblade is

Wait, did they go too large or too small, I forget.

Baka-nin
Jan 25, 2015

For what little its worth, I couldn't get through Baneblade, I gave up pretty quickly. It was the first BL book I didn't finish, and I made it through that first dull Ragnar book by not William King. And my edition had terrible printing and spelling errors.

A 50S RAYGUN
Aug 22, 2011

hopterque posted:

Wait, did they go too large or too small, I forget.

Too large.

Zephyrine
Jun 10, 2014

This is what meat is supposed to be like, dingus

Sulecrist posted:

I liked a lot about that book, but a lot of the actions scenes read like Abnett had just been given an advanced copy of Badab War Pts. I and II and told to fluff. "Safe within their respective Mk III and IV panoplies, the battle-brothers hefted their Zone Mortalis (TM) boarding shield upgrade kit and prepared to assault out of the relic Caestus Assault Ram (TM) immediately after it disgorged its disproportionately good melta attack."

I honestly had no idea what was going on from the point where they landed until about the time the first drill finished.

It was all just a haze of hardware references.

Skarsnik
Oct 21, 2008

I...AM...RUUUDE!




Mechafunkzilla posted:

for some reason I find myself doubting your objectivity

To be fair, I also didn't pay for it as someone bought it for me entirely due to my username..

Hot Dog Day #82
Jul 5, 2003

Soiled Meat

Baka-nin posted:

For what little its worth, I couldn't get through Baneblade, I gave up pretty quickly. It was the first BL book I didn't finish, and I made it through that first dull Ragnar book by not William King. And my edition had terrible printing and spelling errors.

I didn't mind the parts focusing on the Baneblade and blowing up Orks or whatever it was, but I thought that the second part of the book which dealt with the protagonist and his backstory was a bit of a chore to get through.

boom boom boom
Jun 28, 2012

by Shine
People have been talking way too much about the second Shira Calpurnia novel without saying that it's terrible.

The second Shira Calpurnia novel is terrible.

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008
I was under the impression they were all bad, but ive never read them. Are they worth reading? Im lookin for Ham stuff

Denarius
Feb 25, 2013

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Do you guys have any recommendations for fiction that includes Rogue Traders? I've already ready Eisenhorn and Ravenor.

Well technically there's "Eye of Terror" by Barrington J. Bayley. The main character's father was a rogue trader and the main character is pretending to be one. However its old and strange in an Ian Watson Space Marine way.

Lincoln`s Wax
May 1, 2000
My other, other car is a centipede filled with vaginas.
Just saw the email for the final Gotrek & Felix book. Kind of a bummer- of course they announced the series was winding down before they started to end the entire fantasy universe but it was still a fun series.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

boom boom boom posted:

People have been talking way too much about the second Shira Calpurnia novel without saying that it's terrible.

The second Shira Calpurnia novel is terrible.
I really liked it. Maybe you just hate things that aren't bolter porn?

jng2058
Jul 17, 2010

We have the tools, we have the talent!





boom boom boom posted:

People have been talking way too much about the second Shira Calpurnia novel without saying that it's terrible.

The second Shira Calpurnia novel is terrible.

There are structural problems to the novel, I agree, but it ain't "terrible". It's at worst mediocre, in that it held my attention and I finished it, which is more than I can say of a lot of legitimately terrible books both 40k and otherwise.

And if there's a more in depth Rogue Trader based fiction out there, no one's seemed to have mentioned it.

My recommendation stands.

boom boom boom
Jun 28, 2012

by Shine

Arquinsiel posted:

I really liked it. Maybe you just hate things that aren't bolter porn?

Shira Calpurnia does nothing, while the plot is advanced by scenes of arrogant jerks having conversations far away from where Shira Calpurnia is. Then at the end she gets just involved enough with the story to mess everything up.

I mean, I get that Calpurnia's whole "thing" is that she's really bad at her job, but drat.

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Sandweed
Sep 7, 2006

All your friends are me.

I enjoyed it, but that might be because I was starved for anything that's not spehss marines shooting stuff and being stunted man children

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