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Terrible Horse posted:In terms of sweepers and finishers, UB and UW are pretty even. I think its just cheap white removal that's holding UW back. B also has access to Thoughtseize and a cheap, solid threat in Ashiok.
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Memory Lapse depending on your definition of "Counter"
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Mar 3, 2015 20:08
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qbert posted:Actually, Omenspeaker wouldn't be a terrible choice. Omenspeaker and Jeskai Sage are both not terrible.
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Mar 3, 2015 20:08
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Memory Lapse is just the "gently caress you" version of Remand.
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Mar 3, 2015 20:08
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I Love You! posted:Memory Lapse depending on your definition of "Counter" I count putting the spell on top as a drawback. There's also Remand, and Vex which counters the spell but lets the opponent draw a card.
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Every creature that is not Wall of Omens is in fact, bad. edit: Oh sorry Sea Gate Oracle and Mulldrifter are not bad. rabidsquid fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Mar 3, 2015 |
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Chamale posted:I count putting the spell on top as a drawback. There's also Remand, and Vex which counters the spell but lets the opponent draw a card. Man putting a spell back on top is definitely not a drawback in decks running memory lapse
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Chamale posted:I count putting the spell on top as a drawback.
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Mar 3, 2015 20:11
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rabidsquid posted:Every creature that is not Wall of Omens is in fact, bad. Wall of Blossoms is so salty right now.
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Angry Grimace posted:Black as the secondary color gives you access to Crux (which potentially becomes less good with Hot Pink Bolt Dragon and Stormbreath around and any other dragons of note) and a poo poo-load of other black removal. White has some things going for it. Elspeth is so very nice, Brimaz and Soulfire are great sideboard cards against decks featuring red, and exile effects effects are nice against decks that work around recursion. Also, enchantment removal tends to rise and fall as ascendancy decks become more and less popular. It's not as strong as Black, but I feel it's a strong card or two away from being a real contender.
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qbert posted:B also has access to Thoughtseize and a cheap, solid threat in Ashiok. Not to mention Bile Blight, Drown in Sorrow, etc. to stuff aggro. If D-Sphere were still around that might help that situation a bit, but alas. Deofuta posted:White has some things going for it. Elspeth is so very nice, Brimaz and Soulfire are great sideboard cards against decks featuring red, and exile effects effects are nice against decks that work around incursion. Also, enchantment removal tends to rise and fall as ascendancy decks become more and less popular. It's not as strong as Black, but I feel it's a strong card or two away from being a real contender. Its not that its straight-up bad, its just that its so rarely operating at instant speed the way black can with BB and Downfall and Ugin is a better Wrath effect than Elspeth is. Granted, we have a control clan in UW coming up, so we'll see where it goes.
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To be fair Jeskai was generally pretty aggressive in Khans, UW control might get some new tools with Ojutai.
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qbert posted:Wall of Blossoms is so salty right now. It made the poor decision to be in a color that doesn't have flicker effects. Also it isn't even the coolest green wall!! edit: Wall chat what is every best wall for every color. Blue is obviously Glacial Wall but only with the Ice Age art, otherwise it's Mnemonic Wall. rabidsquid fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Mar 3, 2015 |
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Mar 3, 2015 20:15
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I'm going to search for the new command with sunforger, and counter someones commander, and return a value creature like Stoneforge or Snapcaster. I'm going to do that.
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I Love You! posted:Man putting a spell back on top is definitely not a drawback in decks running memory lapse Why? If you counter a bomb, it's in the graveyard. If you Memory Lapse a bomb, they cast it again soon. The only formats Memory Lapse get played in now are Cube and Commander, which are both bomby.
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Mar 3, 2015 20:16
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Blanking their turn and their next draw is sometimes better than just blanking their turn. You gain tempo instead of just a straight 1-1 trade.
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Chamale posted:Why? If you counter a bomb, it's in the graveyard. If you Memory Lapse a bomb, they cast it again soon. The only formats Memory Lapse get played in now are Cube and Commander, which are both bomby. That's because there's better timewalks in the other formats that can legally run it for the most part. It's still an exceptionally good time walk. And memory lapsing anything the opponent tapped out for is amazing because they will probably not drop another land next turn, meaning the hard counter you throw down that next turn will be all the more crippling and successful.
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Chamale posted:Why? If you counter a bomb, it's in the graveyard. If you Memory Lapse a bomb, they cast it again soon. The only formats Memory Lapse get played in now are Cube and Commander, which are both bomby. It's pretty similar to Remand, the difference being that you deny their next draw instead of getting an extra one yourself.
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Chamale posted:Why? If you counter a bomb, it's in the graveyard. If you Memory Lapse a bomb, they cast it again soon. The only formats Memory Lapse get played in now are Cube and Commander, which are both bomby. The same argument applies to Remand, except Lapse is -1 card for each of you.
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Mar 3, 2015 20:21
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Black doesn't have a lot of choices and they're really predicated on creature type, which makes it a neck and neck race between the Snake Wall and the Skeleton Wall. Red has no walls that are interesting in any way, so I guess Wall of Stone gets the nod for being old and somewhat iconic for walls.
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Mar 3, 2015 20:21
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LordSaturn posted:The same argument applies to Remand, except Lapse is -1 card for each of you. Lapse also has the nice side effect of helping blank land drops for your opp.
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Wall chat got me to realize the Onslaught Wall of Mulch was a hideous photoshop edit of a painting (I thought it was a bad photoshop original). The original was restored in the M15 reprint.  
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Mar 3, 2015 20:24
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Hahaha why would they even bother doing that
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Mar 3, 2015 20:25
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I wonder how much other hideous Onslaught block art was due to overuse of digital manipulation?
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rabidsquid posted:Black doesn't have a lot of choices and they're really predicated on creature type, which makes it a neck and neck race between the Snake Wall and the Skeleton Wall. My pet black wall would be a 1/1 flying deathtouch defender for B. A fetid rat corpse strapped to a balloon as art.
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"Just get in there with photoshop and extend out those noses. Blur tool off the mouths on those guys too. Yeah, that's the stuff!"Rinkles posted:My pet black wall would be a 1/1 flying deathtouch defender for B. A fetid rat corpse strapped to a balloon as art. 
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Angry Grimace posted:Not to mention Bile Blight, Drown in Sorrow, etc. to stuff aggro. If D-Sphere were still around that might help that situation a bit, but alas. True, but Ugin can go in UW just fine, and End Hostilities is better than Crux.
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Hellsau posted:I wonder how much other hideous Onslaught block art was due to overuse of digital manipulation? I think Ron Spencer paints with traditional art materials
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Rinkles posted:My pet black wall would be a 1/1 flying deathtouch defender for B. A fetid rat corpse strapped to a balloon as art. That would be a good wall, there aren't enough rats with flying in MTG, or enough balloons, and that would really tick off a lot of boxes.
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rabidsquid posted:there aren't enough rats with flying in MTG Well yeah, Bat is a separate creature type...
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Don't they normally kick off a big-set spoiler with something a little more splashy (e.g. a Planeswalker)? So far it seems like the splashiest card is JemDragon.
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Angry Grimace posted:Don't they normally kick off a big-set spoiler with something a little more splashy (e.g. a Planeswalker)? So far it seems like the splashiest card is JemDragon. Also 1B flying deathtouch. Call it Typhoid Bats. Done.
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Angry Grimace posted:Don't they normally kick off a big-set spoiler with something a little more splashy (e.g. a Planeswalker)? So far it seems like the splashiest card is JemDragon. I think they realized they hosed up real bad with the power level of commons vs. rares in FRF and are taking a huge step back by showing off a set of really strong and interesting commons to kick things off.
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sarmhan posted:They are probably saving that for PAX East this weekend. I thought that might be the case. 
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Serperoth posted:Well yeah, Bat is a separate creature type... A rat flying via unnatural means doesn't just become a bat. They are mundane but separate rodents. Edit: We can check off even more boxes if we make a Rat Flinger creature who creates tokens of flying rats that die EOT.
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PAX east is this weekend. I guarantee they're holding something for that.
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LordSaturn posted:The same argument applies to Remand, except Lapse is -1 card for each of you. Remand and Memory Lapse are both worse than Counterspell in cube, if you can support UU. Of course, if I were trying to draft that deck I'd be happy to play all three.
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Rinkles posted:My pet black wall would be a 1/1 flying deathtouch defender for B. A fetid rat corpse strapped to a balloon as art. WOTC Bring back Will-O'-The-Wisp for this man.
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bats aren't rodents
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Chamale posted:Remand and Memory Lapse are both worse than Counterspell in cube, if you can support UU. And cantrip chaining is ... vaguely a thing...
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