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i'm holding out hope that he becomes the browns' terry bradshaw who just flat out sucks early in his career but grows into a football giant. and i hope haslam just steadfastly refuses to fire/cut/trade him in the face of all of the criticism bc really, the only thing cleveland hasn't tried is being patient
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you say that but you have to recognize the little-known statistic "feel-games" which is the number of games it feels like a QB has started little-known fact, Colt McCoy is the all-time NFL leader in feel-games with 12,000
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Mar 3, 2015 02:53
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they should try the feel of stability like all historically good franchises
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Mar 3, 2015 02:59
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TyrionBecomesASlave posted:they should try the feel of stability like all historically good franchises i mean at what point should the browns have stopped the spinning wheel though? Romeo Crennel? Eric Mangini? Chudzinski and Norv--oh wait that would have been nice
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Mar 3, 2015 03:10
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football fuckerman posted:i mean at what point should the browns have stopped the spinning wheel though? Romeo Crennel? Eric Mangini? Chudzinski and Norv--oh wait that would have been nice To be fair it seems as though any good talent gets poached fairly soon anyway (at least going by this year).
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Mar 3, 2015 03:11
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When the Browns drafted him I wanted them to start him from the get go. I didn't want them to draft him but once they did it was time to poo poo or get off the pot. This year I hope they don't gently caress around. Start him the whole season. If hes good or shows promise GREAT, if he is a total poo poo show go get Cardale Jones. Just for the love of god don't do some gently caress bullshit like starting McCown for half the season then putting JFF in for the second half where he shows just enough promise to warrant wasting another year with JFF starting the next season but not being the definitive QB.
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football fuckerman posted:i mean at what point should the browns have stopped the spinning wheel though? Romeo Crennel? Eric Mangini? Chudzinski and Norv--oh wait that would have been nice Davis imo
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How about don't start Johnny Manziel until you're 100% sure he won't poo poo himself in a game situation? They rushed him this season and look at how well that panned out.
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Mar 3, 2015 03:27
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Smiling Mandrill posted:if he is a total poo poo show go get Cardale Jones. Man it doesn't take long for you guys to fall in love with someone from the general area. I mean the guy's got talent but let's see him start a few more games.
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Grittybeard posted:Man it doesn't take long for you guys to fall in love with someone from the general area. I mean the guy's got talent but let's see him start a few more games. Our second best qb was a local boy almost said best but Otto Graham's ghost reached out of the grave and smacked me
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Mar 3, 2015 03:36
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Ostentatious posted:How about don't start Johnny Manziel until you're 100% sure he won't poo poo himself in a game situation? There's some pretty strange fanfic going on for a lovely QB who was absolutely not ready to start an NFL game.
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Flikken posted:Our second best qb was a local boy almost said best but Otto Graham's ghost reached out of the grave and smacked me Frank Ryan should slap the taste out of your mouth.
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Mar 3, 2015 04:15
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Here's hoping the Browns manage to draft Danny Shelton and Andrus Peat then somehow bungle a team to take Gordon and Manziel for a 1st the following year.
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Mar 3, 2015 04:50
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football fuckerman posted:never heard of em the playoffs are an event at the end of the season kinda like a tournament
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Sour Diesel posted:the playoffs are an event at the end of the season kinda like a tournament hosed up imo TyrionBecomesASlave posted:Davis imo also hosed up even though i was an angsty teen and i did not understand
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computer parts posted:To be fair it seems as though any good talent gets poached fairly soon anyway (at least going by this year). no they just leave bc the place sucks... shanahan made a powerpoint about how much they suck before he quit. perhaps they should work on the "not sucking" part
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Mar 3, 2015 05:14
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though to be fair in order to do that it would require getting rid of haslam. good luck reforming white collar crime prosecution systems, browns fans
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Grittybeard posted:Man it doesn't take long for you guys to fall in love with someone from the general area. I mean the guy's got talent but let's see him start a few more games. Playing at OSU is just a bonus. I love the fact that Jones is a physical monster with a cannon for an arm. Even if he is totally average it'd be huge for the team to land a stable QB who could last consecutive seasons under center. Since 99 the Browns have only had one QB last an entire season.
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Bigass Moth posted:Hey what do you know, Kyle Shanahan wanted to draft Garoppolo and they shot him down instead gifting him with Manziel-mania (according to Pat McManamon). He wanted Garoppolo with the 22nd pick? Or wanted to get him on Day 2 and was going to go BPA or something with the Manziel selection.
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kalensc posted:He wanted Garoppolo with the 22nd pick? Or wanted to get him on Day 2 and was going to go BPA or something with the Manziel selection. I'm guessing he would have grabbed him later. Which is exactly what I was rooting for. Going into last years draft I wanted Hoyer to be the starter Watkins to be our first pick, and wanted them to draft Garoppolo as the possible QB for the future. Once they drafted Manziel I was like gently caress it! You got him now play him, and see what we have. However the Browns being the Browns decided to do the same poo poo we do ever year, and play musical Qbs whilst we win just enough games to miss all the can't miss picks. Since 2007 the Browns have to be most consistent 5-7 win team in the history of the NFL.
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I think it's inaccurate to say the Browns rushed Manziel onto the field. He was the last of the rookie QBs to start (among rookie QBs who did start, obviously) and he had plenty of time to learn what he was doing Also there's the fact that he was getting wasted and not giving a gently caress rather than staying sober and giving a gently caress, so any talk of rushing him kind of falls flat. Maybe he would have been ready if he heeded JJ Watt or at least acted like a normal rookie
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football fuckerman posted:I think it's inaccurate to say the Browns rushed Manziel onto the field. He was the last of the rookie QBs to start (among rookie QBs who did start, obviously) and he had plenty of time to learn what he was doing Who thinks Manziel got rushed? If anything they should have thrown him in the water right away and given him a season to sink or swim.
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Ostentatious posted:How about don't start Johnny Manziel until you're 100% sure he won't poo poo himself in a game situation?
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So you never start Manziel? Probably the best advice.
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Elephanthead posted:So you never start Manziel? Probably the best advice. At least not until Mike Evans is a free agent
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football fuckerman posted:I think it's inaccurate to say the Browns rushed Manziel onto the field. He was the last of the rookie QBs to start (among rookie QBs who did start, obviously) and he had plenty of time to learn what he was doing Did you watch the game he started? I've never seen a QB in the NFL be less prepared for a debut start. Never. Pettine had been saying all year that he wasn't ready and it was plainly obvious he was right.
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Wasn't there a rumour that Manziel wasn't game ready because he wasn't putting in effort to learn the playbook? I mean in that case you would never start him. Probably better then throw him in for the 3 games, let him get crushed and get a wake-up call for next season. Just don't pull a Carr and let him get sacked 200+ times in his first 50 games.
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warcrimes posted:Did you watch the game he started? I've never seen a QB in the NFL be less prepared for a debut start. Never. Pettine had been saying all year that he wasn't ready and it was plainly obvious he was right. he wasn't ready, but he wasn't rushed. he was...a jackass child *bangs gavel*
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DariusLikewise posted:Wasn't there a rumour that Manziel wasn't game ready because he wasn't putting in effort to learn the playbook? I mean in that case you would never start him. Probably better then throw him in for the 3 games, let him get crushed and get a wake-up call for next season. Just don't pull a Carr and let him get sacked 200+ times in his first 50 games. Anecdotes filtered out about how he had to be helped with the plays in the huddle. Also, "guys absolutely not ready to play, so start him!" is more fanfic bullshit that nobody in the real world thinks.
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I'm pretty sure you could write a fanfic about the imaginary worst NFL franchise of all time and it would still be more believable than all the ways the Browns have failed.
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Its a shame that Jerry Jones was blocked from drafting Manziel, if only for Manziel's sake. The Cowboy's offensive line + Dez Bryant would be an extension of his situation at A&M, only with a better ground game. Plus the media circus would be phenomenal whenever Romo threw an int.
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football fuckerman posted:he wasn't ready, but he wasn't rushed. he was...a jackass child *bangs gavel* it's this.
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Johnny absolutely was rushed. He should have sat two seasons minimum. He is a project, everyone loving knew that.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Johnny absolutely was rushed. I don't think there is a single team in the NFL that would sit a heisman 1st round pick for two seasons in this era though
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There's nothing wrong with giving a project a couple games as a rookie to get his feet wet. If he starts 10 games next year, that would count as being rushed.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I don't think there is a single team in the NFL that would sit a heisman 1st round pick for two seasons in this era though I agree but its still dumb. Really the Browns were one of the worst fits for Johnny. He needed the Cowboys or someone to pick him.
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CharlestheHammer posted:I agree but its still dumb. Yeah, he needed the Rodgers treatment. Sit on a team behind an established QB for a couple of years.
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I don't think an arrogant alcoholic gloryboy is the kind of person who flourishes while riding the bench either
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He also could've had Irvin mentor him and help him get his head straight Why are you all looking at me like that
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I don't think an arrogant alcoholic gloryboy is the kind of person who flourishes while riding the bench either It might have given him some perspective. Romo would have taught him how to party and then bring it during practice.
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