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Blackface in crowd 129 55.36%
References to Lord of the Rings 104 44.64%
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Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

Fallen Rib

Lungboy posted:

To most people in the Cricket-playing world, they are pretty much the same thing.

Untrue. Canada has been represented at the World Cup a few times and I think a Canuck even had the fastest century in a world cup a long time ago.

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RideTheSpiral
Sep 18, 2005
College Slice

Madkal posted:

Untrue. Canada has been represented at the World Cup a few times and I think a Canuck even had the fastest century in a world cup a long time ago.

John Davidson. Australian.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

Fallen Rib
So was AB bowling yesterday supposed to be some kind of insult to injury?

a real chump
Jul 30, 2003

noice
Nap Ghost
This is a cool article describing why England is so good at cricket

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/mar/03/the-spin-cricket-data-analysis-art-science

tanglewood1420
Oct 28, 2010

The importance of this mission cannot be overemphasized

-Spiffy- posted:

This is a cool article describing why England is so good at cricket

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/mar/03/the-spin-cricket-data-analysis-art-science

Statistical analysis is generally a good thing, England are crap because the players are crap.

webmeister
Jan 31, 2007

The answer is, mate, because I want to do you slowly. There has to be a bit of sport in this for all of us. In the psychological battle stakes, we are stripped down and ready to go. I want to see those ashen-faced performances; I want more of them. I want to be encouraged. I want to see you squirm.

-Spiffy- posted:

This is a cool article describing why England is so good at cricket

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/mar/03/the-spin-cricket-data-analysis-art-science

It's interesting how dated their thinking seems to be in this. Morgan still talking about aiming for 275 when it feels like Aus/NZ/SA/India are targeting 350+ first innings scores in every game of the WC

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer
They'll probably analyse everything after this world cup and conclude that the best way forward is to slog everything and not worry about singles or be too obsessed with making it to 50 overs.

Then they'll play somewhere with a large outfield.

IceAgeComing
Jan 29, 2013

pretty fucking embarrassing to watch
so they'll play like the West Indies do then

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer
Pretty much. Only while trying to fix Shiv's action and have him play to the programme.

tanglewood1420
Oct 28, 2010

The importance of this mission cannot be overemphasized

webmeister posted:

It's interesting how dated their thinking seems to be in this. Morgan still talking about aiming for 275 when it feels like Aus/NZ/SA/India are targeting 350+ first innings scores in every game of the WC

According to irrefutable statistical analysis England have never won an ODI after scoring 400, so that's why they don't try to score that many.

serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.

webmeister posted:

It's interesting how dated their thinking seems to be in this. Morgan still talking about aiming for 275 when it feels like Aus/NZ/SA/India are targeting 350+ first innings scores in every game of the WC

I've posted about this before, and its something gaining a lot of traction with people about England. They are always 1 major tournament behind the other teams in the way they go about their game. You just have to look at the top 3 batsmen they like. You have the openers consisting of one destructive batsmen that likes to go at more than a run a ball, and then a nurdler who is happiest at a strike rate of about 60. Then you have a number 3 whos a test player through and through whos there to steady the ship and build a platform after one of the top 2 goes. Its the kind of team you'd see 3-4 years ago from South Africa and Australia. Its also a team that should score 260-290 runs. A total that, again, should have been defendable 3 years ago.

The bowling too is out dated. In the modern game you need to take wickets, not restrict scoring. Slow bouncers don't do anything but get hit these days. Its no co-incidence that New Zealand and Australia are rolling teams on the back of their bowlers dismantling the other side rather than outright domination with the bat.

England will not change, because by the time the statistics tell them that its worth doing these things, the game will have moved on once again.

Ratios and Tendency
Apr 23, 2010

:swoon: MURALI :swoon:


England have scored over 300 twice this world cup and both their openers are aggressive stroke makers. Balance is there to anchor the innings while everyone else plays aggressively around him but he and Morgan are hopelessly out of form. Your bowlers are poo poo and all exactly the same and Morgan literally bowled Root to let Sangakkara get in. As usual the English media narratives are totally wrong.

Ratios and Tendency fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Mar 4, 2015

Noxin of Shame
Jul 25, 2005

:allears: Our Dan :allears:

serious gaylord posted:

I've posted about this before, and its something gaining a lot of traction with people about England. They are always 1 major tournament behind the other teams in the way they go about their game. You just have to look at the top 3 batsmen they like. You have the openers consisting of one destructive batsmen that likes to go at more than a run a ball, and then a nurdler who is happiest at a strike rate of about 60. Then you have a number 3 whos a test player through and through whos there to steady the ship and build a platform after one of the top 2 goes. Its the kind of team you'd see 3-4 years ago from South Africa and Australia. Its also a team that should score 260-290 runs. A total that, again, should have been defendable 3 years ago.

The bowling too is out dated. In the modern game you need to take wickets, not restrict scoring. Slow bouncers don't do anything but get hit these days. Its no co-incidence that New Zealand and Australia are rolling teams on the back of their bowlers dismantling the other side rather than outright domination with the bat.

England will not change, because by the time the statistics tell them that its worth doing these things, the game will have moved on once again.

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

Ratios and Tendency posted:

As usual the English media narratives are totally wrong.

Add cricket to the list of sports that English media pundits are loving hopeless with, which also includes Formula One and Rugby.

IceAgeComing
Jan 29, 2013

pretty fucking embarrassing to watch

Ratios and Tendency posted:

England have scored over 300 twice this world cup and both their openers are aggressive stroke makers. Balance is there to anchor the innings while everyone else plays aggressively around him but he and Morgan are hopelessly out of form. Your bowlers are poo poo and all exactly the same and Morgan literally bowled Root to let Sangakkara get in. As usual the English media narratives are totally wrong.

I don't know if this is a serious post but the only person anchoring England recently is Root. The only good things about that Sri Lanka game was him and the fact that Buttler can still go mental if he's not forced to bat after 20 overs. Drop Ballance; play Hales is the obvious solution but then you have to work out who out of Moeen and Bell you move to number 3. You then have to magic up a good left arm bowler and a leg spinner or something different from right arm off spin and right arm medium fast poo poo. Its not as simple as dropping Finn for someone else as I've seen others say: he's actually been better than Anderson or Broad who have literally taken two wickets each throughout the world cup. I think they should rest Anderson: he's not swinging the ball and although I doubt Jordan would be much better he could club a few with the bat and then you rest Anderson for the long series of tests that we have coming up.

Pakistan 11/1 against the UAE after 5 overs

Burn Down Canberra
Oct 27, 2005

GAME PLANS? We don't need no stinking game plans.

:cry: :cry: :cry:
Haha the Australia game on today will end at 1am on the east coast if it goes the distance.

Mister Chief
Jun 6, 2011

Burn Down Canberra posted:

Haha the Australia game on today will end at 1am on the east coast if it goes the distance.

They're playing Afghanistan.

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.
There was no evidence at all that was a boundary.

Airstream Driver
May 6, 2009

It's pretty clear that the England team is bad simply because their players aren't very good. You don't need to make up other excuses for it. They're just not talented enough. Maybe in 4 years it will be different but they will need about 8 or 9 new better players which seems unlikely.

Ratios and Tendency
Apr 23, 2010

:swoon: MURALI :swoon:


Also lol that the Jimmy Anderson is tired thing has been brought out yet again after he shits the bed away from home. He's the Mahela Jayawardene of bowling.

dusty
Nov 30, 2004

webmeister posted:

It's interesting how dated their thinking seems to be in this. Morgan still talking about aiming for 275 when it feels like Aus/NZ/SA/India are targeting 350+ first innings scores in every game of the WC


That reference to 275 was specifically at Wellington Stadium which is a lovely rugby ground with a drop in pitch.

Yes the pitches have definitely improved in quality over the last decade and there hasn't been all that much cricket played there since opening in 2000.

But the highest total is 322 (by Aus 2005) - and only nine times have a side scored more than 280. 275 might not be ambitious, but I think its probably a par score there.


Definitely agree that England has failed with the bat a few times, but they should have been in with a sniff of defending the decent total they put up against the Lankans.
A team isn't competitive if they can't pressure the batsman - the English master-plan plan so far seems to be pitch it short at 130-140k and pray for a lucky mishit or runout.

Defending 400 runs wouldn't save these schoolboys

dusty fucked around with this message at 04:02 on Mar 4, 2015

Pvt. Public
Sep 9, 2004

I am become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds.
gently caress Perth, gently caress Western Australia, gently caress the ICC.

gabensraum
Sep 16, 2003


LOAD "NICE!",8,1
I love Perth tests but yeah day/nighters can get hosed.

BrigadierSensible
Feb 16, 2012

I've got a pocket full of cheese🧀, and a garden full of trees🌴.

Just before they get ready to humiliate the arrogant racists, I was wondering if anybody here knows if any of the Afghani players play in the IPL, BBL, CPL etc.?

Surely they would be cheaper than Glen "Big Show" Maxwell, have proved themselves just as good players, (for garbage 20/20 leagues anyway), and would be just as marketable etc.

Seams
Feb 3, 2005

ROCK HARD

Ratios and Tendency posted:

Also lol that the Jimmy Anderson is tired thing has been brought out yet again after he shits the bed away from home. He's the Mahela Jayawardene of bowling.

He didn't play in the 7-match series against Sri Lanka and neither did Broad IIRC. They both look shot though.

Mister Chief
Jun 6, 2011

BrigadierSensible posted:

Just before they get ready to humiliate the arrogant racists, I was wondering if anybody here knows if any of the Afghani players play in the IPL, BBL, CPL etc.?

Surely they would be cheaper than Glen "Big Show" Maxwell, have proved themselves just as good players, (for garbage 20/20 leagues anyway), and would be just as marketable etc.

No to everything you said.

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

:kimchi: Tater Love :kimchi:
Perth is the worst because the games start at 1:30 AM here

I just read the chapter on USA cricket in Second XI and lmao what a clusterfuck. When the president has a public Facebook meltdown over a journalist daring to write about him, and the president's wife gets suspended from the women's team for being mad about her position, you might have a problem.

Airstream Driver
May 6, 2009

Watson dropped for Faulkner? Yes please!

Centusin
Aug 5, 2009
As an Australian I can safely say I'll be supporting Afghanistan today

EMC
Aug 17, 2004

Afghanistan won the toss and decided to bowl, potentially saving the spectators from a 45 minute match

EMC
Aug 17, 2004

Actually they probably all bowl spin so will roll us for 120

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

:kimchi: Tater Love :kimchi:

EMC posted:

Actually they probably all bowl spin so will roll us for 120

Go learn yourself some Hamid Hassan, son

Seams
Feb 3, 2005

ROCK HARD
Wait did they really drop Watson or are they just 'resting' him

put both hands in
Nov 28, 2007

:swoon:FYFE:swoon:

Airstream Driver posted:

Watson dropped for Faulkner? Yes please!

:hellyeah: I was starting to think Watson could take a poo poo on the doorstep of a selector and still be in the team.

Centusin
Aug 5, 2009
I honestly thought they'd keep Watson and he'd come out and make a hundred today and then go back to being useless for the rest of the tournament. Now I just hope Smith can make a hundred at 3, and Faulkner makes some runs wherever he comes in and then we can be rid of Watson forever.

Smorgasbord
Jun 18, 2004

Our review identified changes needed to be made and, in Stephen, we have a coach who has a reputation for demanding the highest standards.

EMC posted:

Actually they probably all bowl spin so will roll us for 120

They actually have one of the better 3 man seam units in the tournament.

EMC
Aug 17, 2004

Scylo posted:

I honestly thought they'd keep Watson and he'd come out and make a hundred today and then go back to being useless for the rest of the tournament. Now I just hope Smith can make a hundred at 3, and Faulkner makes some runs wherever he comes in and then we can be rid of Watson forever.

This is the dream

In reality they will drop Marsh for Watson, we all know this

webmeister
Jan 31, 2007

The answer is, mate, because I want to do you slowly. There has to be a bit of sport in this for all of us. In the psychological battle stakes, we are stripped down and ready to go. I want to see those ashen-faced performances; I want more of them. I want to be encouraged. I want to see you squirm.

Scylo posted:

I honestly thought they'd keep Watson and he'd come out and make a hundred today and then go back to being useless for the rest of the tournament. Now I just hope Smith can make a hundred at 3, and Faulkner makes some runs wherever he comes in and then we can be rid of Watson forever.

Yeah a (mostly) pressure-free game against minnow opposition sounds like prime territory for a Watson 83

Airstream Driver
May 6, 2009

Scylo posted:

I honestly thought they'd keep Watson and he'd come out and make a hundred today and then go back to being useless for the rest of the tournament. Now I just hope Smith can make a hundred at 3, and Faulkner makes some runs wherever he comes in and then we can be rid of Watson forever.

Will it be Smith at 3? Cricinfo has Clarke listed at 3 but I'm not sure if that's the batting order.

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Burn Down Canberra
Oct 27, 2005

GAME PLANS? We don't need no stinking game plans.

:cry: :cry: :cry:
Like the Afghan bowlers tbh. They might sneak a few cheap wickets. The Australian bowlers should just rip in though.

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